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@ryebread7905 4 күн бұрын
Hi Alvaro, is the interview with Zeta Lingua (the French woman who learnt Spanish) still up? I can no longer find it. Thanks Edit: Nvm I found it, in a playlist on Zeta Lingua's channel
@naturalanguages 4 күн бұрын
Awesome, glad you found it!! It was a live streaming, that might be the reason why you couldn't find it. Just in case, here it is again: kzbin.info8d0Gjd2YFWo
@AndresCaballeroMoro 5 күн бұрын
Por favor, haz uno vídeo para el inglés.
@naturalanguages 4 күн бұрын
Claro, lo haré!! Lo único que no puedo hablar de mi propia experiencia como en el caso del alemán, porque el inglés ya lo aprendí antes. Entonces poner los canales por orden puede ser más complicado, por ejemplo. Pero buscaré todos los canales que conozco que creo que pueden ayudar ☺
@AndresCaballeroMoro 4 күн бұрын
@@naturalanguages muchas gracias!
@SimplyChinese 12 күн бұрын
Love this episode! I’m at the point where I need to start speaking now after so many hours of input. Thanks for sharing all your personal experiences, Joe & Alvaro!
@naturalanguages 12 күн бұрын
I'm happy to see you loved it Tony ☺ We all get there sooner or later, so I feel like we need to talk more about the output part.
@SimplyChinese 12 күн бұрын
@@naturalanguages yes! I need more help with output now.
@vlv8855 12 күн бұрын
Thanks Joe and Alvaro, Its great to listen to real life experiences in learning Spanish. John
@naturalanguages 12 күн бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed it John, thank you so much ☺
@realJoeSema 12 күн бұрын
Thanks Álvaro for having me on the podcast! Was a pleasure talking about our experiences together.
@SimplyChinese 12 күн бұрын
Joe, I didn’t know you are Albanian. I totally understand your point. It’s just like my kids’ Chinese which is limited to household language mainly. 😂
@naturalanguages 12 күн бұрын
Likewise Joe, it was a real pleasure having you on ☺
@adriandroopyi7505 13 күн бұрын
Hola Alvaro,me resultaron muy utiles esta y la entrevista anterior,con la chica.Muchas gracias por todo.Abrazo grande
@naturalanguages 13 күн бұрын
Gracias Adrián, me alegro mucho ☺ Un abrazo!
@adriandroopyi7505 13 күн бұрын
Hola Alvaro muy buena entrevista,felicitaciones.Abrazo
@naturalanguages 13 күн бұрын
Muchas gracias Adrián, me alegro de que te gustase ☺ Un abrazo!
@Zuuuuwi 13 күн бұрын
Hola amigo un saludo 😊 hace unas semanas decía comenzar aprender ingles por mi propia cuenta y buscando metodos por la web encontre tu canal y me parecio interesante lo del input comprensible pero hay algo que aun no entiendo como puedo lograr entender el contenido que estoy consumiendo ya sea podcast, peliculas y anime libros, para que sea comprensible si no tengo pizca del idioma osea que no sepa vocabulario, en este punto es que no entiendo realmente.
@naturalanguages 13 күн бұрын
Hola! Muy buena pregunta. El problema es que todos esos recursos que comentas como podcasts, películas... son muy interesantes, pero no son comprensibles si estás empezando. Por eso tienes que empezar con recursos más sencillos que puedas comprender. Estos recursos no son tan interesantes como los podcasts, películas..., pero es lo que necesitas al principio, y lo puedes ver como recursos de transición que te darán acceso a recursos más complejos e interesantes más adelante. En este sentido, puedes buscar "Comprehensible Input English" en KZbin, por ejemplo, y te aparecerán canales de gente que crea contenido adaptado para diferentes niveles. Yo he entrevistado a varios en mi canal, como a Joe de "Input English" recientemente, por ejemplo. Puedes buscar dibujos animados también, leer cómics porque los dibujos ayudan a la comprensión, más adelante documentales con mucha narración descriptiva... Son sólo algunas ideas, pero la clave es que entiendas el mensaje general de lo que estás escuchando y/o leyendo. Dime si tiene sentido lo que te comento y muchas gracias por tu comentario ☺
@Zuuuuwi 13 күн бұрын
@@naturalanguages si tienes razón porque ayer después de ver uno de tus vídeos me fui a ver unos videos animados de Pepa pit 🤣🤣 y si entendí algunas cosas cuando hablan por que se algunas que otras palabras y viendo las acciones de las caricaturas ya uno sabe más o menos de lo están hablando y también por el contexto. No se si conocerás a Mr Salas el tiene un canal sobre este tema y el dice que es bueno aprender palabras a diario y vayan quedando en la memoria a corto plazo pero después ir a consumir contenido donde uno pueda identificar esas palabras y pasen a la memoria a largo plazo
@naturalanguages 12 күн бұрын
@@Zuuuuwi Sí, conozco a Mr Salas, aunque no he visto mucho contenido suyo. Pero sé que habla de input comprensible también, así que me parece buena idea consumir su contenido. Y claro, sin consumir contenido (input) donde puedas entender gracias a lo que ya sabes, imágenes, contexto... es imposible que el idioma entre en tu cabeza (por decirlo con palabras sencillas 😅)
@Zuuuuwi 12 күн бұрын
@@naturalanguages Si eso estaba leyendo que uno tiene que consumir un input lingüístico ligeramente más avanzado que el nivel actual para que pueda funcionar.
@naturalanguages 11 күн бұрын
@@Zuuuuwi exacto, un poco más avanzado para que te ayude a seguir aprendiendo, pero sin pasarse porque entonces no entenderías el mensaje general y no te ayudaría!
@Rainwithsun 17 күн бұрын
Waw this is really easy to understand
@naturalanguages 16 күн бұрын
I'm glad to hear that, thank you ☺
@carlinberg 17 күн бұрын
Great interview, thanks a lot to both of you 😃
@naturalanguages 16 күн бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed it, thanks so much for your comment ☺
@ladypronyma1074 17 күн бұрын
i watched some of his videos.. in my native language, i can say that his level of proficiency is very low.
@hilbert2547 15 күн бұрын
In which language? Of course it is loe pretending to „speak“ 30 language says it
@GimGainor 15 күн бұрын
I agree, he does speak a lot of languages, but mostly at a lower level. Nothing wrong with that, but I think he does sometimes come across as exaggerating his abilities or insights into language learning.
@hilbert2547 14 күн бұрын
@@GimGainor you can speak 2, 3 languages at a very high level not more. It is so difficult to maintain a high level in a language.
@hotcrossbunion 18 күн бұрын
That was excruciating
@naturalanguages 18 күн бұрын
What do you mean exactly?
@hotcrossbunion 18 күн бұрын
I thought he just talked about himself it is not your fault
@naturalanguages 16 күн бұрын
@@hotcrossbunion okay, I understand! Well, focusing on what I can control, I'll try to find a better balance between personal questions and general language learning ones.
@emanuelegregori3945 18 күн бұрын
Tim, two languages every year? I barely manage 3-5 +I married a Colombian and I am only eighty...
@naturalanguages 18 күн бұрын
Tim's on another level 😅 As long as you enjoy the journey, 3 languages, or 21, or just 1, it's all okay ☺
@davidmares6053 19 күн бұрын
25:50 being able to say personal examples how old are you?, what is your name? what do you do? 27:40 use dual text and memorize 30:50 use comprehensible input 32:20 story about yourself and how to ask questions if you are starting polish, for example 57:00 you can be fluent in a specific domain even at A1 level 58:00 Be practicle, use the language for your needs
@naturalanguages 18 күн бұрын
Thanks so much for the summary ☺ Were these the things that resonated the most with you?
@davidmares6053 18 күн бұрын
@@naturalanguages yes, it reminded me about learning what you need, less is more, instead of tying to learn the entire grammar rule with its exeptions, just learn an example sentence that is relevant for you
@MsTranthihai71 19 күн бұрын
Thanks ❤
@paulwalther5237 19 күн бұрын
Tim is simply mind boggling. When I think I'm taking on too much trying to learn Korean on top of the other languages I've studied I see him and think man.. you are nothing but a slacker. Get with it. I know he likes using laddering (using another language you've studied to learn a new language) but I've only played around with that and haven't really pursued it. I suppose it could also be a really good way to study two languages at once. I would like to learn Spanish (I would say I'm high beginner or low intermediate) but I am too interested in Asian languages to sit down and read books in Spanish. I could try "using" Spanish to learn Korean. My Spanish is actually about the same as my Korean but since Spanish is so close to English and there's a lot of cognates too I think it might be doable. Or I could use Japanese to learn Korean (my Japanese is much better). The big reason I haven't is that I live in the US and I can't walk into a bookstore and just buy books to study Korean for Japanese people. I'd have to order them from Japan or something. But I could set my Google translate to Spanish or Japanese for when I'm reading a book in Korean.
@naturalanguages 18 күн бұрын
Yeah laddering or learning related languages is always going to make it easier. But in any case, I've realized lately (or I'm trying to) that whatever you feel like doing is okay. What I mean by that is that there were moments when I was learning several languages at the same time, now I focusing solely on German (occasionally listening to some of the others, but not actively targeting them) and I'm actually loving it. My point is that if you feel like learning 7 languages at once and you enjoy it, go for it. But if just wanna focus on one, that's great too. And this is advice to myself too ☺ And thanks so much for your insightful comment as usual ☺
@Kenmanuel-o6l 23 күн бұрын
Te voy a secuestrar por no ablar bien de mi
@dawnnicholson5045 24 күн бұрын
Still listening and enjoying your work Alvaro. Muchas gracias Dawn
@naturalanguages 21 күн бұрын
Thank you Dawn, I appreciate it ☺ By the way, I recently started a new channel where I only post Spanish learning videos, I'll repost some of the old videos from the main channel and also new ones: www.youtube.com/@NaturalSpanish
@Dell.3. 25 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video. What a great guest to get on. I had 6 years of Latin and 2 years of Ancient Greek in school, but I have nothing to show for it. I need to revisit them in the future, now that I've discovered the comprehensible input method. By then I hope there are more teachers out there like Carla, to produce these materials 🙏 They are doing the lord's work.
@naturalanguages 24 күн бұрын
Thank you so much, I'm really glad you enjoyed it ☺ And best of luck whenever you get back to Latin and Ancient Greek!!
@melpomene-od1wh 26 күн бұрын
this was very entertaining, i didn't even notice i was listening to spanish :) thank you both!
@naturalanguages 26 күн бұрын
That's the best feeling, when you forget about the language you're listening to ☺ I'm really glad you enjoyed it!
@melpomene-od1wh 6 күн бұрын
@naturalanguages exactly! thank you for your hard work and passion, i feel at home knowing people share the enthusiasm for language learning :)
@adriandroopyi7505 29 күн бұрын
Hola Álvaro,muy buen video,muy util cómo siempre.Muy bueno eintersante tu invitado.Abrazo grande
@naturalanguages 29 күн бұрын
Gracias Adrián, me alegro de que te resultara interesante ☺
@adriandroopyi7505 28 күн бұрын
@@naturalanguages Obvio,fue muy bueno e interesante.De verdad
@joncorx2927 Ай бұрын
No pienso lo mismo, aprendo la pronunciación q es lo q más me interesa.
@naturalanguages 29 күн бұрын
Me parece bien en ese sentido. Pero tengo una pregunta por curiosidad: ¿entiendes el idioma también o sólo lo haces por la pronunciación? Gracias por comentar en cualquier caso ☺
@JoseE-wj7re Ай бұрын
Thanks
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Thank you for watching ☺
@jeroenovix Ай бұрын
I already can't wait to see the follow up in 6 months. I'm interested to learn what worked. How many hours outputting etc
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Absolutely, I feel the same way myself! And we'll make sure to record that episode ☺ Thanks for your comment!
@reggietkatter Ай бұрын
Wonderful interview, thank you everyone.
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Thank you so much Reggie, I'm glad you enjoyed it ☺
@comprehendeng Ай бұрын
Álvaro, Very well done. Thank you.
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Thank you Joe, it was an absolute pleasure to have you on ☺
@run2fire Ай бұрын
This is a great discussion. An honest older learner like me learning about language acquisition and the conflict between input and output. Great details, step by step. Very helpful.
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Thank you so much, and I'm really glad you found it helpful! So did I when we recorded it ☺
@karendilerylopez9683 Ай бұрын
Bad bunny cantando 😂
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
😂😂 Podía ser!!
@Tolievis Ай бұрын
Entonces sería realmente imposible olvidar un idioma, cierto;
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Si dejas de utilizarlo durante bastante tiempo, puedes necesitar un cierto periodo para volver a sentirte cómodo (me refiero a la parte de hablar especialmente). Pero si aprendiste el idioma bien en algún momento, "sigue ahí en tu cabeza" y serás capaz de volver a utilizarlo sin problemas creo yo!
@paulwalther5237 Ай бұрын
A lot of "input learning" assumes people who self study and so when they say they only do input they mean they only do input. No speaking or writing at all and some of them don't even read out loud. But she's a Chinese teacher using input learning/teaching so I assume she talks to her students in Chinese and they reply in Chinese so it's both input and output. It would seem like a horrible missed opportunity to have a Chinese teacher and not speak Chinese with them after all.
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Yeah I think so! And absolutely, that's the advantage of having a teacher, they can help you start the output process earlier in a safe way ☺
@hotcrossbunion Ай бұрын
Very good video and debate I have studied russian for over 2 years and the question of input to output is the 64 thousand dollar issue thank you
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Absolutely! I also feel like this is the missing piece and the most important part we need to understand! Thanks for your comment, I'm glad you liked it ☺
@evelynvasquez1755 Ай бұрын
¿Cual es la mejor forma para un hispano hablante de aprender portugués desde cero? ¿Qué método recomiendas o qué te ha servido?
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Lo primero de todo, y sin saber tus preferencias en este sentido, yo me centraría (es lo que hice personalmente) en el portugués de Brasil, porque es mucho más comprensible y hay bastantes más recursos disponibles. Dicho esto, gracias a la similitud entre ambos idiomas, podrías empezar viendo recursos sencillos como dibujos animados o similares porque te resultarán comprensibles. Incluso podrías probar documentales (aquellos con un narrador que explica las cosas si es posible, mejor que esos que tienen más "acción de calle"). Recursos escritos como cómics o libros sencillos podrían ser interesantes también porque el idioma escrito es todavía más similar al español y más fácil de entender. En ese sentido, historias en las que puedas escuchar y leer el texto a la vez serían perfectas (igual puedes encontrar aquí en KZbin). Es una cuestión de ir probando en general, y ver qué te resulta comprensible y qué no. Lo bueno del portugués es que pueden empezar consumiendo contenido por tu cuenta y será más comprensible en general. Y después se trata de seguir exponiéndose, aumentando la dificultad de los recursos hasta que tu capacidad de comprensión sea muy grande y el idioma "ya esté en tu cabeza". Ahí es cuando ya puedes empezar con actividades más enfocadas a comenzar a hablar como hablar contigo mismo primero, buscar compañeros de intercambio de idiomas después... Ya me dirás qué te parece y gracias por tu comentario ☺
@evelynvasquez1755 Ай бұрын
@@naturalanguages Muchas gracias. Lo intentaré de esa manera. Me encantan tus podcast son únicos y me han servido mucho.
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
@@evelynvasquez1755 me alegro mucho, gracias ☺
@evelynvasquez1755 Ай бұрын
¿Qué opinas sobre el método de Janulus y su sistema de matrices para automatizar las estructuras gramaticales de un idioma? ¿Crees que la repetición si sirve para apre der nuevo vocabulario?
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
He oído hablar de él un par de veces, pero no sé en qué consiste exactamente, nunca me he parado a investigarlo más a fondo. En ese sentido, no puedo contestarte a la pregunta aún. Sí que he visto por encima que habla de empezar a producir desde el principio, y es algo que a mí me resulta complicado de imaginar para ser sincero. Intento estar siempre abierto a otras opciones, pero mi primera reacción al ver eso es de escepticismo en ese sentido. Pero, como te decía, no conozco lo suficiente como para darte una opinión fundada. En cuanto a tu pregunta de la repetición, no sé exactamente a qué tipo te refieres, pero la repetición ayuda, claro. Me explico. Si te refieres a flashcards o idea similares, te ayudará a recordar esas palabras, mi problema con esto es que no me resulta muy entretenido y me preocupa que sea un conocimiento de palabras aisladas. Cuando me refiero a que la repetición ayuda, hablo más de exponerse a las mismas palabras, estructuras... muchas veces a través de la lectura y la escucha de forma natural. donde el mensaje es lo realmente importante. De esta forma, exponerte a ciertas palabras de forma repetida, te ayudará a recordarlas, por supuesto. Gracias nuevamente y espero haber respondido a tus preguntas ☺ Que tengas un buen día!!
@paulwalther5237 Ай бұрын
You should do a video of yourself speaking German to someone so we can get a feel for what your German out put sounds like. I wouldn't be too surprised if many people are like.. that's not so bad...
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
That's actually a good idea! And yeah I personally might think it's not so bad after listening to it 😂 Because we're in our head, we know that it doesn't come natural yet, but the actual output might be decent. So it's mainly the feeling that we'd struggle if the conversation went on for a while, and also the gap between how much we can understand and how much we can say.
@paulwalther5237 Ай бұрын
For a while I could output Japanese better than I could input (understand) it. You might not think such a thing is possible but Japanese is a weird language. I didn't learn it using comprehensible input of course. I mean, I eventually did but I relied on brute force to learn using mostly flash cards and textbooks until I was able to finally understand simple novels and anime for native speakers.
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Very interesting experience, thank you ☺ I've noticed a different scenario in which learners seem to be better at output than input. It's people that learn English by mostly communicating with non-native speakers. They get decent at output from all the exposure, but have a lot of trouble understanding the language when having to communicate with native speakers, because they got used to the easier, non-native way of communicating.
@adriandroopyi7505 Ай бұрын
Hello Alvaro,muchas gracias por esta muy buena entrevista a comprensiblechinesse.Muy buenao todo.Abrazo grande
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Thank you Adrian, I'm glad you enjoyed it ☺
@evelynvasquez1755 Ай бұрын
Me encanta este canal. Aprendo cómo se debe aprender un idioma. Vale oro este contenido. Muchas gracias por compartir.
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Muchas gracias, lo aprecio mucho ☺
@evelynvasquez1755 Ай бұрын
Me encanta aprender inglés con historias interesantes, siento que aprendo mejor e internalizo el idioma de manera natural que aprenderlo con aburridos libros de gramática. Lo mismo aplico para el portugués. Si estas aprendiendo un idioma la mejor forma de empezar es por su fonética. Es mi experiencia y lo que me ha servido.
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Completamente de acuerdo, no hay nada como las historias y contenido que te gusta en general ☺ En cuanto a la parte de la fonética, ¿te refieres a estudiar los diferentes sonidos?¿escuchar ejemplos de palabras para ver cómo se pronuncian? Me interesa bastante esa parte ☺
@evelynvasquez1755 Ай бұрын
@@naturalanguages Sí. Aprender a pronunciar los sonidos del idioma que se está aprendiendo. Por ejemplo: En español no tenemos el sonido Shaw del inglés y así muchos más. Pero lo importante es aprender su fonética primero, escuchar contenido que esté acordé al nivel que tenemos e ir puliendo la pronunciación mientras aprendemos vocabulario y más.
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
@@evelynvasquez1755 te entiendo ☺ Muy de acuerdo con lo que dices del contenido y con ir puliendo la pronunciación. Me pasó recientemente con el alemán, que estoy empezando a hablarlo y ciertos sonidos me cuestan más porque no los tenemos nosotros. Me ayudó haberlos escuchado muchas veces primero, y después ir practicándolos. Al final la boca se va acostumbrando 😂 Gracias por tus comentarios!!
@paul-laurienelson4127 Ай бұрын
Ah, tan buen te veo Álvaro! Tan buen que creas más videos! Espero que estés bien señor...
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Muchas gracias Paul! Todo bien por aquí y espero que tú estés bien también ☺
@LauGarcía2014 Ай бұрын
Creo que la cosa más raras de hacer en un asesor es dar clases o matar a un cerdo para comerlo. Y dime , dije lo más raro?😂❤
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
😂 No sé si es lo más raro, pero me gustan las ideas, son bastante extrañas sí 😂😂
@LauGarcía2014 Ай бұрын
@@naturalanguages 😂😂😅
@Rick-si1re Ай бұрын
It's really simply if you think about it, pero (take a wild guess what language I'm trying to learn) we, as adults try to overcomplicate it. I would say, when you first start, yes, look up a few words here and there, but after you get to a certain point, the words you don't understand, just let them go by, in other words, just read it and move on to the next line, don't worry about it, it simply means you're not "ready" for that word yet. (Your mind isn't ready to acquire that word yet, perhaps it needs to understand a few words before it, I think Krashen or was it Chompski who had a theory on the order that we acquire language in)
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Absolutely, I love your comment ☺ And I'd say that looking up words all the time even takes the joy away from it. Good luck in your Spanish learning journey and I believe it's Krashen who talks about a natural order hypothesis.
@SimplyChinese Ай бұрын
Even I can guess this one! Muy fácil!😂
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Era fácil sí 😂 Un abrazo Tony!!
@EricCherigo-dv5kj Ай бұрын
Muy alejado de la realidad .
@Estrellasbilingues07 Ай бұрын
Excelente entrevista. 🎉👏👏Tenemos los mismos pensamientos. Soy un instituto ya no uso un libro como tal. Uso un material de apoyo si, pero no sigo la secuencia de un libro disque famoso haciendo al pie de la letra cada ejercicio. Mi target es la comunicación. Mis alumnos les pongo reto de videos en KZbin. Realmente acostumbrarlos a ver películas, videos en KZbin y discutirlas. Esos institutos que se basan solamente en el libro sus alumnos se quedan en la nube, cuando le ponen una película o cnn en inglés y así. 😮😊 implemento mi propio método en base a 20 libros o más que conocí y mi experiencia.
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Muchas gracias por tu comentario y me alegro mucho por tus alumnos ☺ Me encanta lo que dices que tu objetivo es la comunicación, creo que es una de las cosas más importantes de entender a la hora de aprender un idioma!!
@Ballykeith Ай бұрын
Bueno, ambos idiomas son de la familia indoeuropea 👏🏼
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Es un buen consuelo 😂 Aunque no estoy seguro con el estonio, ¿es indoeuropeo también o es de esta otra familia como el húngaro, finlandés...?
@Ballykeith Ай бұрын
@@naturalanguages Sí, tienes razón 🤭
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
@@Ballykeith difícil de adivinar en cualquier caso 😂
@Ballykeith Ай бұрын
@@naturalanguages ¡Sí, sobre todo con la música de fondo!
@middleweekhorsedrawnservic9441 Ай бұрын
Inna is a wonderful teacher. Her videos are the best Russian language beginner content on you tube in my opinion, and she seems a lovely person.....its such a valuable resource to someone like me who is a fool with languages.
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
She absolutely is wonderful, and I agree that her content is amazing, it helped me a lot too ☺
@paulwalther5237 Ай бұрын
So what level should this comprehensible input for learners get you to? How large of a vocabulary? I’m thinking if I should go back to comprehensible input for my Korean or if I am too far along and need to do the next step anyway. I’m thinking of trying a new language with comprehensible input only (Mandarin). It seems big enough to have content and I’d love to be able to speak it.
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
That Mandarin challenge sounds wonderful!! I'm doing exactly that with German and I have to say that I really enjoy every single minute of it. Now, that's gotten my comprehension ability to a very high level and it's started the process of output, but I feel like output practice is necessary at this point in order to get my output to the next level. But it's been only input from the point of view of not studying grammar and so on. But like I told you in some other comments, I'm not sure if that can be replicated with a language like Mandarin. I'd love to think that it can, but I haven't gone through it myself yet, so I can't really tell.
@paulwalther5237 Ай бұрын
@@naturalanguages Mandarin is supposed to have easy grammar and word order that similar to English (and therefore many European languages) as opposed to Japanese. So I think it would be easier than you might think. The lack of cognates will slow you down for sure though.
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
@@paulwalther5237 interesting!! I actually didn't know about that! Thanks
@paulwalther5237 Ай бұрын
This is going to sound weird but Lari’s husband might do better learning grammar with a tutor using a different language to explain it (I think he’s trilingual so take your pick). Sometimes translation can make a grammar point that doesn’t want to stick finally stick. For German when we he sees something in the dative just think “to …” for example. I do that and it works for me. However he might also do better yo self learn German for a while and then when he has a lot of the language in him go take classes. Things may start clicking better then. They did got me. I failed German two out of four years in high school and then just stopped going to class when I signed up for a summer course at the German institut in Berlin which made my dad very angry. But I self studied reading the Hobbit in German (no English translation just a dictionary and a small grammar reference book). I learned more German than the students who stuck with the class. I was also spending ALL my time reading this book though 😂. Later when I took grammar classes at Goethe again it went much better having already some books.
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
I'm starting to see many people talk about how learning grammar afterwards helped them "solidify" their knowledge. As long as you don't try to reverse the process by going about it the traditional way, it can definitely be helpful. I don't do it myself because I don't enjoy that conscious learning part at all, but I'd say it's definitely worth considering (and I include myself here 😂)
@paulwalther5237 Ай бұрын
You can tell Carp is a good teacher because I enjoy listening to his explanations and he sounds very convincing. I'd like to sit through some of his lessons to get a better idea of his teaching style. However I wish I could have interrupted him to clarify a bit how he went about learning Japanese. Did he not even look at a textbook ever? People probably have different ideas of what "immersion learning" means. For me, it means using the language and learning vocabulary and grammar as needed so if I'm reading a book and there's vocabulary or grammar I want to know I will look it up at that time. If I want to - I often skip stuff but it's ok to look it up and I still call it immersion learning. As opposed to going through a grammar textbook which teaches you grammar/vocabulary "for later". I find it hard to imagine someone not referring to a grammar book or Chat GPT as needed and just learning everything through context like native speakers do but maybe some people do this.
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Good point on the grammar part. I'd consider myself one of those who tries to learn like native speakers do, mainly because I don't enjoy the conscious process of studying grammar at all. However, you do need great channels and projects which create content that is comprehensible and interesting when you're starting out. And this is always easier with more "popular" languages like French, German, Spanish... because of the amount of existing content. And I'm also starting to believe that you can "get away with it" with similar languages or at least not so distant languages, but learning a language like Japanese is a completely different animal. I'll have to start with one of these languages to be able to understand it better. But in general, I also have to say that I've learned to be okay with people using grammar the way you described it, it can definitely help.
@linguacarpa Ай бұрын
Well, let me fill you in! First of all, I do have a video here: ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/bne3pXiqmMt8rsU ) that show all of what I do normally for Japanese study. But to answer your question in short form... No, I have never looked at a Japanese textbook. I HAVE, on the other hand, occasionally looked up a grammar point if I was very curious about something that started to show up a lot or seemed to derail my understanding, but that's about as deep as my grammar "study" gets with Japanese.
@paulwalther5237 Ай бұрын
I grew up in Boston which is an international city but until I took a trip to Europe my world view or even just view of reality was very lopsided. Europeans have the luxury of being able to travel abroad by just getting on a train or maybe even just a short car ride. But other countries don't have that. I visited Japan and while the Japanese people were very polite there was a huge difference between people who had travelled abroad and those that hadn't. Not everyone who travels abroad catches the language learning bug but regardless it's an enlightening experience.
@naturalanguages Ай бұрын
Absolutely Paul, thanks so much for sharing your experience ☺