One of my favorite episodes Thank you guys a lot. I got a Canopus RFM maple it (Japanese) and have a INdeDrumlab Maple both really good sounding kits when I want to go back in time I play my 60’s Slingerland Mahoghany/Maple/Poplar and my Rogers

Great episode! I've been a Tama guy since I started playing in the mid 80's. As an adult, I still like vintage Tama's, but I also love DW. I live in Ventura, Ca which is like a 10 minute drive down the 101 Freeway to the DW factory in Oxnard, Ca. So of course I have a DW kit. I also have a PDP Concept Maple kit with wood hoops, But my go to snare is a 1976 Ludwig Acrolite I scored at a thrift store for $75.00. This is a super informative episode, but at the end of the day, I think it comes down to each drummers individual ear and what they want to hear. A lot of people "Poo Poo" me for having a PDP Concept Maple kit, but to me it sounds great!! And when I use it for a gig, nobody complains about it. It's only the purists that lose their Sh!t over it. Just like guitar players if you're playing an Epiphone Les Paul as opposed to an American made Gibson. If it sounds good and makes people get up and move, Who cares Who's logo is on it?!

Cool episode. I wish y'all had covered Sonor and Premier. I would like to hear Kirsch's take on Sonor's Phonic shells and Premier's Elite / Projector shells. Maybe another episode?

They don't. It's just the wood, the thickness, how many plys. And the rims And heads. It's no rocket science. The brand is just a name and in which way they combinate the factors

1:48 "Why do drum brands sound different?" Simply because 80% of the sound coming from a drum is due to the drum head(s). "Engineer's Guide To Tuning And Damping Drums" is an article in Sound On Sound (SOS). In the article's first paragraph, you'll read that science has proven that drum heads are responsible for 80% of the sound of a drum. That leaves only 20% of the sound of a drum is from its construction components, mainly the shell. I would bet the human ear cannot discern that 20%. The heads are what we're hearing. Also, the oldest drum factory in the U.S. is Noble & Cooley. In the world, Sonor. 5:38 Technically, poplar is a hardwood, but is soft.

Thank you Bart and Drum History Podcast for the shoutout and especially for providing such a great resource for us drummers to learn about these topics in great detail. Drum History is truly one of the best podcasts around!

When music / Ludwig exploded after The Beatles, Ludwig started spraying the interiors white because the wood was different, mahogany, maple etc, so they looked the same. Yes, they also added the time stamp.

Slingerland made 3 ply and Radio King (steam bent) certainly different from Ludwig?

My Corder are Jasper shells with Fibes hardware, certainly not flawed, yes, they have no “special silver Paint” Maple and Gumwood. Fantastic.

What, I’m 20 minutes in. No mention of Rogers , Gretsch , very little. I’ll wait before I add my 2 cents. Him saying zero difference in sound, shells etc, ? What ?

Poplar is a stable hardwood….like mahogany

Jasper started making plywood tubes for concrete after WW2 and it expanded to drums when Gretsch came to them! There are tooooo many things that make a drum sound as it does, wood type, bearing edge, re rings, thickness, hardware, glue type, veneer thickness, glue cure, hoops , heads....

LOVE THIS CHANNEL

I would suspect the reason the really old drums we see don’t have splitting simply because of survivor bias. No one is keeping and passing down their great great grandfathers drums from 1924 that are falling apart. However, plenty of ppl will keep their granddaddy’s 1924 vintage kit if it’s still in decent shape and a lot of ppl still have their dad’s 1962 black oyster Ludwig that just needs some TLC.

Great info ! Thanks!❤

From Jeff Kirsch video's I learned how to do my own bearing edges on my kits. I use a simple 12" carousel & 36" round board one side 120 grit sandpaper glued to it. A granite slab that's level. My kits sing!

Thanks for sharing all of your knowledge on Alex Van Halen!

Just hearing this now…such an excellent pair of episodes! This all came about because of that 2002 sound. Now I want to trade out my Sabian’s for some Pst7’s!

Ok. So I purchased a 5.5x14 maple little squealer used for about $80. It has die cast hoops and is one of the best sounding snares an own. And I have a collectors, Yamaha recording custom etc. I will never sell this baby it reminds me of the Gretsch snare that Neil Peart had early in his career. It does everything- well! Very insightful interview. I’m inspired as a big time hands on guy. Thanks

Enjoyed the auction podcast. You highlighted 3 items that I had winning bid. The dressing room rehearsal kit with case. (5000.00) The 24" psychedelic red Ludwig kick (900.00) sidebar I had to get it because I have 22" identical kick that was Bun E Carlos The 2 banners with traveling tour hamper (1700.00) and the Sonor 5150 rehearsal snare well used (3500) Very very happy Steve Tallman Miramar FL

Cult following LOL

What about Eddie Hoh?

Imagine being requested by name by both Frank Sinatra and Buddy Rich to record their daughter's albums.

Ludwig had Ringo, Gretsch had Charlie Watts

Don and his family are wonderfull ppl and have been family friends for well over 50 years. You will never meet a nicer guy than Don.

Great Series! I listened to all the episodes during another deep dive on Tony's repertoire.

Interesting to see any subject I know absolutely nothing about. I collect antique English longbows from the 1700s and 1800s. He sounds just like me but with a different subject. A neighbor died and I just bought a set of 68 or 69 Sonor that has a 20" Avedis (2160 g), 18", and 2-14" hi hats, along with 1-14" that says Zanchi Vibra. I was just offered $800 for everything and will probably sell them. I wanted to mention that mine (after a little looking) do not have the 3 dots but I'm sure aren't 70s. Additionally, they are easily an inch and a half with the "E" not being to the left of the "H" and the "N" is directly under the "C" or perhaps a little to the right of it. The "Zildjian Co" are heavy bold, too-all without the 3 dots.

Great drummer,over worked, taking drugs to keep up with his schedule,and severe mental illness, recipe for disaster, for the most sought out drummer of his Not to mention the prescriptions, which made it worse

My brother has a Gold sparkle Majestic 20in Kick and a Lyra 13,rack tom in red sparkle. I got my son a 5 piece Pearl Challenger MIJ kit for $100 and two toms in a trade, that kit sounds so good and beefy . I also recently got a Bruno Conqueror steel snare with the original case for $40

Mike Felumlee of the poo punk band The Smoking Popes just got a brass Pork Pie and when I saw them at the beginning of the year it sounded soo good

I've recently found a local snare builder who told me he gets all, his hardware from China or Taiwan and he's been able to make connections with a few topnotch manufacturers, he sells me parts for dirt cheap and he sells everything from tube lugs, Pearl style tom mounts, rubber grommets for rack tom holders, high quality snare throw offs and butt plates. The first time I met him we talked for like an hour and a half and that created the relationship because I stood there and listened to pretty much his story of how he came to be a snare drum maker.

I remember wanting a Pork Pie Throne because they had cool designs and looked big and beefy, I never got one but i did recently get a Vented Little Squealer Maple 13x7 for $70 recently. I'm messing with the tuning trying to get some beef out of it because it's pretty mid/high range when cranked.

This is so wonderful. He would have loved it. He taught me how to play, and I wish I had kept it up. But he got back into drumming later in life so why can't I? I am so fortunate to have his Roger's Drum seat. Let me know if you'd like me to send you a photo. So glad you reached out to DT. Don Tollin is the best!!!! We're an awesome family. Love seeing all the comments.

Herb was a huge influence on me. Interestingly though it was in that musical way he spoke about in the beginning. Also, I was really surprised to hear he didn’t really like the drum sound of tales from the punch bowl. I FREAKING LOVE THE SOUND OF THOSE DRUMS! They were so big and resonant with that super unique reverb thing they had going on. I can hear them clear as day in my head as I’m writing this❤️

He wrote back to me, an absolute nobody, when I wrote to him in prison to thank him for his music. That was such an incredibly kind thing for him to have done. I wish people knew about that side of him and not just the tragedy.

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I need to hear more details about his dynasonic snare. Just glossing over the snare he used on fly by night, caress of steel and 2112 just isn't gonna cut it.

Herb, Lane, and 'Brain' the formidable Primus drum/ percussion triumvirate! I didn't become aware of Primus until 'Jerry' vid and quickly ran to get 'Seas Of Cheese' disc. Still have it. Since 14-15. Such a phenomenal musician Tim is!! Unreal. Everyone involved in their circle(s) are great players/ writers. Full Spectrum Abilities. I remember cutting my teeth trying to learn some Primus tunes starting with 'Jerry'. I was thinking " Dude I gotta learn that little fucker!" It changed how I thought about drumming in certain ways right off the rip. It's like a few different styles of jamming mixed together which made it a bit trickier to learn than it seems/ sounds. Great Interview yet again Bart Cheers!!

Neil peart: I beg to differ

The long lugs are called high tension lugs…

I watched the whole thing. So good! A couple of things. Chris said Lars used a Gretsch bell brass to record the black album it was actually a Tama bell brass with Grestch drums. Also the kit that Lars uses “in front of the V stage in the DM tour appears to be electronic. For the St Anger album he used a Ludwig accrolyte. As far as triggers go, i thought he did but the raw phone recordings in the M72 tour show the sound to be accurate. Lastly you both failed to mention the changes in Lars’ hairline over the years he he. Just kidding. I love Lars, he is the reason I play drums…

Hey, do you know Tony has ever used a china or swish vymbal?

Hi guys, I had a bid in on a snare, but that got ridiculous, and fast, as the countdown began Sunday morning. Because I personally considered this to be a once in a lifetime opportunity to own something special, I started bidding on the misc. items to stay in the race. I did win the bid for two Tama snare wires from the early 90s - $600 plus 22% buyers fee - $132. The signed COA is amazing too!

Great report. Like the host and guest. I think I am a bit more forgiving to the movie makers for artistic license, I am not offended that the drum kit models were not exact to the year being depicted. Maybe I'd see that differently if I was a drummer. I think the public was less concerned about such details at that time. I agree with the disparity between personal events and how they were changed to make the production. Really impressed with Sal Mineo's performance, I didn't know he was a drummer. Excellent performance.

He has an Impulse Ride???!!! Awesome

Very informative research~! quick Q: ... a music store has a vintage '50's 12" Zildjian cymbal with 3 dots and large US... but no A like most that are engraved with USA. Is this a Serviceman's Economy Zildjian?

Jared falk on drumeo has one

I also heard eve6 drummer playing peavey radial pros

Danny Carey next!

Holy mackarel!! The great and powerful Herb Alexander, my first and foremost influence on drumming. Just recently got a 6" Zil-Bel, which I think is quite a trademark cymbal for Mr. Alexander. Gonna listen to this later.