Nightmares in Paradise

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@TylerMatthewHarris 15 күн бұрын

Beau Willimon deserves a ton of credit for Andor. And honestly Andor’s writing is far better than Rogue One. Even though Rogue One puts everything else to shame.

@lacolem1 19 күн бұрын

“Not for the faint of heart “ This is why most SW properties could never be this forward thinking and complex. I cannot imagine rudeness being tolerated in most current writers rooms

@paulbujon-kn7ox 20 күн бұрын

A writing team composed of Gilroy, House of Cards' original showrunner, a guy who produced The Americans and the guy who wrote NightCrawler ? What could possibly not go well ?

@cattleherder1912 2 ай бұрын

Vladimir Harkonnen is resembling the likes of Epstein too closey. Hollyweird dont like that. Put a lid on it. Shut it down.

@LordLawwritesforfans 2 ай бұрын

Disney / Lucasfilm I have stories to out pace The Infinity Saga! Have Hope fans!

@JohnnyProctor9 2 ай бұрын

Nope, just more gay erasure...

@dcle944 2 ай бұрын

I like Tony Gilroy. He’s a god to me, but I don’t like people who talk up about themselves. If you’re really good, you don’t need to do that. Let others talk up about you.

@abcun17 2 ай бұрын

"Rogue One" and "Andor" are the only and best additions to the franchise in the past decade or so. Please Mr. Gilroy, stick the landing with the second season of "Andor"! Take your time , I'm willing to have had this over two years long wait...if it means we get something done right. We don't need another GOT level of a botched job. To me personally, "Rogue One" is one of the best movies in the "Star Wars" franchise, on the same level as "The Empire Strikes Back". As for "Andor", simply put the best new series of the past at least five years, more so than many of its overhyped counterparts. Ironically there's not much to celebrate from the Disney SW era...but these two gems, "Rogue One" and "Andor"...are the blessed exceptions I am more than happy to enjoy again and again.

@strangerrrrrrr 3 ай бұрын

wait why do u hate penny 😭

@Maxwell-zt5ch 3 ай бұрын

Do none of you know what it’s like to be an adult human?

@darknessofodd 3 ай бұрын

The Baron represents a leader with power and fear. Fear is often the creator of Evil. Fear holds the truth, but at the end of everything, lies a lie.

@cwbrooks5329 3 ай бұрын

Man, do I agree 100%. It's such a perfect cast, such a beautifully crafted movie and such a missed opportunity. The story with Carr at the center -- as you suggested -- would have been so much more compelling.

@martinharris5017 3 ай бұрын

The Baron "sampled many pleasures" according to the book and "allowed himself to be seduced" by a Bene Gesserit (ie a woman) to father a child. He is bisexual therefore and probably enjoys sexual activity with young boys as much for the power and domination as for physical gratification.

@WozzyWatkins 3 ай бұрын

Now before I say this, homosexuality is seen as wrongful in my religion and I do see it as a wrongful sexual habit just like premarital sex. With having said this, the Baron isn't a homosexual. It's more so he loves defiling everything. Look at his homeworld: it's defiled. He loves the black sun for it is defiled. He leaves no stone unturned. I can only imagine what he was going to do to Leto Atreides body after he killed him if it wasn't for the poiso tooth. It shows the simplicity of his love for disgust, truly.

@joshuabrzezinski2828 4 ай бұрын

Does anyone else see the shrieking faces in the steam around the Baron??

@st33zyf0rilla2 4 ай бұрын

erm ...no

@DanielleA2023 4 ай бұрын

Trump is Baron... 😂

@charliem5575 2 ай бұрын

So edgy dude. You’re definitely not just an adult loser.

@dickstryker 4 ай бұрын

Nope. It did not. Alia wasn't there either and Paul's spice agony was barely a footnote. Worst adaptation yet.

@slowemm 4 ай бұрын

@nevanoconnell3356 4 ай бұрын

3:30 I largely disagree with this point. Herbert is noted as being homophobic in his personal life and elsewhere in the book comments on homosexuality. He could've just as easily had the Baron be heterosexual and had it be as disturbing because he is a rapist and a pedophile. Herbert chose to make the Baron gay and that says a lot about how he views gay people. One counterpoint to myself is that this would've not worked to produce the incestuous aspect of the Paul look alike. However due to his other comments I believe being gay was not done to allow for this plot point, and due to Herberts genius I am certain that he could've created this without the Baron being gay.

@agravemisunderstanding9668 4 ай бұрын

I think you should be allowed to show a bisexual predator and hedonist, If anything trying to hide these things is perhaps cruel to male victims of sexual assault, many of which are infact gay, and ignored in their suffering for being gay.

@marcussanchez4278 4 ай бұрын

He really tugs at your heart plugs.

@HIGHLANDWOLF1783 4 ай бұрын

This is so on point. Well said son

@WolfmansHobbys 4 ай бұрын

the first film was shit...hopefully the second is better - thou it didnt matter....the old one is superior...

@MrMalvolio29 4 ай бұрын

WRONG. The sex and gender of rape victims ALWAYS is “relevant,” and Herbert’s representation of the Baron *is* homophobic.

@julesverne5072 4 ай бұрын

The average of serial killers and others abusers is made of gay people.

@flindude2681 4 ай бұрын

Its interesting the scifi epic before star wars had a gay character which was evil at time when any characters were rare, and star wars didn't at all depict any until recently, and now full circle dune has its gay character subdued of those aspects because they are a evil And the old movie made just after star wars did depict this aspect of him with the heart plug thing

@MrKrtek00 4 ай бұрын

hmm, the only child abuser in the novels is an evil character... what a shock

@dwzaphod 4 ай бұрын

How have you not seen the Dune Miniseries?

@Viv8ldi 4 ай бұрын

Which one

@ExiledGypsy 4 ай бұрын

Why did society find homosexuality especially amongst men acceptable and then illegal and yet again acceptable and then unacceptable in various societies in one time or another? It is the same with "sexual" realtionship with children. I am not sure what we mean by sexual always is always sexual. How sex will come in it have zigzagged all over the place through out history when it comes to sex. People with total repulsion towards what is now called pedophilia mythologies characters like Byron, or Alexndra the great as if they are prepared the sin is certain cases. What is the common thread that justifies these changes in society. I wonder if there is a seminal book, thesis, or movie has even been made to attempt to explain what seems to me not only socially and culturally but also sexual and personal paradoxically. If we found the kernel of truth then maybe we can built the first level concensure.

@theprelate4219 4 ай бұрын

"I think most people understand his insatiable appetite and predatory nature stem from the power he possess." Perhaps but Dune is not a woke story and it is not a piece that can be rewritten to fit the woke agenda. Even moreso than Lord of the Rings, Dune has a message of it's own and it is not one that supports homosexual behavior.

@Baldwin-iv445 4 ай бұрын

I mean just because someone is gay doesn't mean they can't be evil. Though I doubt the modern world could allow for such a conclusion to be shown on screen.

@sulphuricacid16 5 ай бұрын

Seeing this as a non book reader ,In Denis Vellenue Dune 2 Baron's death wasnt satisfying and it was quick and simple ,Harsher deaths have been given to cruel people in real life

@NightmaresinParadise 5 ай бұрын

i think you would be very disappointed in his death in the book it’s quite literally an instant death… the movie was a lot more drawn out with it lasting a whopping 10 seconds. but i also think it’s due to the fact that paul is the one to do it in the film it makes it much more personal and tightens the story a bit. i do wish rabban got a bit more considering his brutality against gurneys friends and family

@Severian_of_the_Guild 5 ай бұрын

Yeah I always found it a little absurd to say that because a work contains a homosexual predator as a villain that the work is then homophobic. There's so much violence and sexual assault of women in dark fantasy/sci-fi fiction that if it wasn't directed at the fellas once in a while it would be ridiculous.

@markgab917 5 ай бұрын

To be honest with you, I wouldn’t have been able to watch the film if they went through with that sort of direction for the Baron

@Bloodycupcake54 5 ай бұрын

*Keeps young boy slaves to sexually abuse* Journos: "ahh yes this character is clearly like every gay man!" Wut

@kilgoretrout413 5 ай бұрын

More Weinstein than gay to me

@tuckernutter 5 ай бұрын

Theres a difference between simple sexuality, hetero/LGBT, and p*dophelia. The Baron isn't "gay" he's a p*dophile, the gender of his victims is irrelevant its the fact they're children and can't consent in any way.

@christianmccauley7340 5 ай бұрын

True

@mandarina4157 5 ай бұрын

Sure, Herbert highlights Harkonnen’s depraved nature more than his homosexuality, but it begs the question WHY did he make this specific character gay instead of literally anyone else or anyone at all? It really does seem like Herbert wanted to add to the depravity by making him gay, therefore being gay to being depraved in a way.

@taki1973 5 ай бұрын

Appreciate this discussion about the story..the movie was so good but left me so confused about the events. the way Kammerer inserted himself into Lucien's life was something the movie should have focused on if the director wanted to give an honest portrayal of the events. And the comments about p3d0ph111a from Ginsberg... Yikes. Should've picked a better POV than Ginsberg

@dickhead5248 5 ай бұрын

I can't stand the woke undertones in the commentary ridiculous really love the movies love the story but you're unbelievable

@christianmccauley7340 5 ай бұрын

somebody is unbelievable lol

@tinycatfromhell 4 ай бұрын

Are the woke undertones in the room with us?

@Mantelar 5 ай бұрын

Herbert understood that sexual abuse and abuse of authority go hand in hand. The children were there to show that the Baron isn’t just a head of state shackled by national interest - he’s right in his element and delights in what he is doing.

@gingerwhale871 5 ай бұрын

3:52 honestly, I think that he deliberately made him a gay child molester, because in the 70s being was much more stigmatized and child molestation in general was a bit less stigmatized. So this was probably not homophobic in intention, yet deliberately chosen for a homophobic society, so the intended horror could come across. You never know though

@peachmelba1000 5 ай бұрын

To soften the edge of Feyd's punishment with more genetic pets just serves to make the Harkonnens seem like weirdos rather than the monsters Herbert wrote them to be.

@jamiescott1062 5 ай бұрын

Oh so YOU know better than the writer how to express what he is thinking? It’s supposed to make u uncomfortable dummy that’s the whole POINT!

@craigvogel2935 5 ай бұрын

I’m so sick of the gay agenda creeping into everything in the media

@christianmccauley7340 5 ай бұрын

were gonna getcha

@awickedtribe 5 ай бұрын

I have always seen the Baron's proclivities to be his desire and thirst to control and destroy. The idea that he embodies the Sins is spot on... He takes each one to the grotesquely extreme, so this would apply to his sexual gratifications. His desire for the 'Paul' look-alike has nothing to do with Homosexuality; he wants to inflict horrors by proxy on his foe. Everything Harkonnen oozes with depravity and destruction.

@PeterImperial-ji3tx 5 ай бұрын

Men like that aren't necessarily gay they simply act on what ever impulse they have at that period in time because they can without consequences . So they indulge their desires one way or enoughter.

@johnmchale3263 5 ай бұрын

Being sexually attracted to male minors makes you a pedophile not a homosexual. He doesn’t want relationships with men he wants to defile the innocence helpless children.

@thehungrylittlenihilist 5 ай бұрын

Speaking as a gay man, I do actually think the gender of the slaves is something Herbert wants the reader to note. Herbert was in his own life a homophobe, and refused to let his gay son visit his own mother as she was dying. Its the age old canard that gay men are inherently predatory, stemming from the fear certain men have that gay men will sexualize them like they sexualize women. Had the gender of the slaves been irrelevant, there would have been girls. To me, the novel seems to imply that the Baron's sexuality is a symptom of his depravity. He's described as dancing and prancing through the air as he acts out his evil. I appreciate the fact that the movie Baron has turned out to be sexless, as his flavor of evil transcends something as mundane as sex. He desires far more power over others than that, and there is something about sex that makes one vulnerable.

@tft100 5 ай бұрын

Nah

@kalitzina 5 ай бұрын

He has women as well, didn't he conceive Jessica with a bene gesserit?

@christianmccauley7340 5 ай бұрын

@@kalitzina the implication with that was that he was simply seduced I thought. Regardless, in the 60s, lots of people thought that gay people were actually just straight people who wanted to victimize other straight people lmao

@squamish4244 3 ай бұрын

When I read the book in the 90s, I noted that the Baron's sexuality was intended to make him appear as depraved as possible, as I knew what attitudes towards homosexuality were like in the 1960s. Also, the 90s were a decade when views on homosexuality changed drastically, so I could see it happening in front of my eyes. I also note that his first name was Vladimir, in an obvious attempt to connect him with the 'evil' Soviet Union. I watched my own parents' views evolve over that decade. They both grew up in what was then a very small town of like 5,000 people. My father was a well-travelled businessman and was more worldly than my mother by the 90s, and didn't think there was anything wrong with homosexuality, but my mother wasn't entirely comfortable with it and had weird misconceptions about it, like that gay men were only gay because they couldn't form relationships with women. Like, what? It seems bizarre now, but I don't know if she had ever met a single openly gay person in her life by that point. By the end of the decade, she was just as accepting as my dad. The Internet, travel, the effects of the cultural shift.

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