Should have just asked Trappy to bind to his own radio. Tango 2 has ELRS, right? :))
@Twinaviation1Күн бұрын
Hi Andy. It seems to me that receiver is not included in build. At least I did not get one. I notice that Holybro listing it as RadioMaster R81 Receiver . What kind of receiver you got and where you got it, that can fit with x650. Thanks again for help.
@wesmorgan80827 күн бұрын
Thanks, i will try this approach with a speaker. The idea of an impulse hammer is you get a white input. A chirp would do good to. I am not sure about the ardupilot FFT, and may take more time figuring out than just doing a spectrogram with python; i might just do that. Usually the vertical axis is content and horizontal axis (line number) is frequency, so not sure about the output. On idea you might try is suspending the craft by very elastic bungees just above the speaker so the boundry condition is reflective of flight. Another is the FFT resolution is inversely proportional to window size, which in this case amounts to the sample size; may want to use 1024. 7.5 Hz is pretty big. These would allow you to more precisely identify the resonance, and narrow up the notch. Anyhow thanks a lot for sharing all this stuff. I am guessing you are an engineer?
@daniel_li7 күн бұрын
Ah,,,, nice view indeed, but interference
@Twinaviation17 күн бұрын
Hi Andy, Great video.I have few questions if you do not mind. 1.) I am building exactly X650 but with Pihwahk 6C, and in my kit I never get EBEC. Is that component only for 6X or Holybro miss to send it. Can I connect X650 without that? 2.) Pixhawk 6C is much smaller then 6X and those install screws for 6C as well as your 6X are not included. What is the size of those small screws for install? Now they added sticker with drilling pattern as there is no way to align holes on plate. Is it possible just use double sticking tape or I should make holes in plate and get correct screws? Your thoughts? 3.) on 1:02:25. you are connecting wires from motor to 2 different boxes next to EBEC? Could you explain me what is the neme of those boxes and is there specific sequence how to connect those wires? 4.) I do have telemetry modules and antennas, where is the best location to install these items? You see I never get any instructions with drone to follow up. and your video is only guidance I have. I do greatly appreciate your help. This is my first build of drone and this is learning project for me.
@andypiper52857 күн бұрын
1. I think the EBEC only comes with the Jetson baseboard because of the power requirements. 2. Using the double-sided tape is fine. 3. I'll have to get back to you. 4. The telemetry antennas are not great, I would tend to mount them below the copter since it will mostly be above you and try and avoid shadowing by the frame or the battery.
@andypiper52857 күн бұрын
3. Each arm has a motor and an LED. I am connecting the motor signal to one box and the LED signal to the other.
@Twinaviation16 күн бұрын
@@andypiper5285 excellent I got it. I see that 2 sets of wires are for each motor. One set has 3 colored wires and second set only 2 wires (black and white I believe). I see that you are determined signal wire and power and ground (3 wire set) what is correct sequence when you plug them in in 3 set wires? I believe that second set of 2 wires white in facing upper top coresponding slot? Also I believe that you mention 2 set wires are for LED system.
@andypiper52856 күн бұрын
@@Twinaviation1 ESCs will be the two-wire connectors and LEDs the 3-wire connectors. Signal wire is on top.
@Twinaviation15 күн бұрын
@@andypiper5285 I agree I manage to locate Holybro schematics. Those white and black wire are ECS. However those LED (3 wire system) I could not locate correct install pattern. I believe that yellow wires are top, it must be signal wire?
@wesmorgan80828 күн бұрын
Thanks for this. You sound like a serious guy. You might want to invest in a modal impact hammer for airframe testing. At 75 Hz, why not just use a low-pass filter? I don't think the controller loops need to respond to anything anywhere near that high. I think the answer is because you only have notch filters to set?
@andypiper52858 күн бұрын
Experience shows that you can get much better tunes with the LPF set higher than 75Hz and relying on the notch filter. Although your fingers cannot move faster than 30Hz or so, propwash etc can occur at much higher frequencies. I will look up about modal impact hammers - thanks for the suggestion!
@andypiper52858 күн бұрын
Looks like they are about $3k - I'll stick with my $25 vibration speaker!
@wesmorgan80827 күн бұрын
@@andypiper5285 Thanks, that is good to know. I am struggling to see how the vehicle can meaningfully control anything beyond 50Hz, even if it were there. But you are saying the props can create unwanted dynamics that must then be removed by the props? Ultimately, the proof is in the pudding and I believe you. I am just trying to make sure I understand the situation.
@wesmorgan80827 күн бұрын
@@andypiper5285 This is an interesting idea and cost effective for sure. Can you please tell me how you use the speaker for this, or send me a reference; paper, git, KZbin or anything. Something I would love to try to play with.
@andypiper52857 күн бұрын
@@wesmorgan8082 Imagine descending at speed through your own propwash, or flying in high wind - the corrections required need to be very rapid to prevent the errors building up. This is particularly true the smaller you go and therefore the more the vehicle dynamics is responsive to disturbance and the more able the motors are to respond to that disturbance.
@lioman25788 күн бұрын
Greetings Andy Piper, When I set compass_orient 100 i reboot and it says 102. never see the sompass_cus_yaw etc? Found it, after ARDUCOPTER 4.2 params are others. I watch yor work with pen paper and soldering iron, Thank You!
@andypiper52858 күн бұрын
Yeah the parameters changed names in later versions
@rahuls703911 күн бұрын
Thank you for this insightful video. It is a godsend. I am currently working on developing a custom flight controller based on the STM32F745. In my research, I've examined the hardware definition files( _hwdef.dat_ ) from reputable flight controllers such as those from Mateksys and the fmuv3. However, I find some aspects challenging to comprehend, particularly the assignment of port numbers (e.g., GPIO(50)) to PWM pins and their significance. Additionally, could you please confirm if you are using WSL2 on a Windows machine for this video demonstration or a virtual machine like Virtualbox?
@timtheplaneman14 күн бұрын
With HDZero!
@AerialWaviator16 күн бұрын
Nice flight demo.
@AndrewSabadash17 күн бұрын
Looks pretty stable! Are there any future improvements planned for a faster stabilization loop? Could you record a video showing the stabilization rate analysis from this flight?
@andypiper528517 күн бұрын
This flight was done in acro not stabilize if that's what you mean
@SimbiFPV23 күн бұрын
Can you use the AM32 passthrough for the online configurator with the motors connected to IOMCU? I have not managed to do so, however it works flawlessly when i connect the motors to the FMU port. But then again i cant use FMU (5-8) for the LED's with lua scripting since FMU7-8 don't support DMA (and it doesn't work on IOMCU either). I'm kind of torn between these two options since it can be very handy to easily access the AM32 configurator when using motors on the FMU but then I wont be able to control the LED's.
@lioman257823 күн бұрын
My "stabilize pitch(error to rate) accel MA" does not go above 297466. MP1.3.82 Arducopter4.5.6
@lioman257825 күн бұрын
Greetings, hope you are all right. I build quadcopter but cant get it to pos hold, it gains altitude fast. Any guidance?
@andypiper528525 күн бұрын
Do you have MOT_THST_HOVER set correctly?
@lioman257825 күн бұрын
@@andypiper5285 It is 0.2 which came from learn and save. I use 5 inch quadcopter 6s FC matek. Will set it to 0.11 like yours.
@andypiper528525 күн бұрын
@@lioman2578 best to start a thread on discuss.ardupilot.org and post a log
@yancymuu4977Ай бұрын
Have been following your video in setting up notch on holybro x500 with Pixhawk 6c. Your filter setup gives very nice smoother flying performance! When looking at gyro noise with ArduPilot filter tool, it appears that there is some unfiltered noise at 4th harmonic. Would it be safe to filter 4 harmonics (4 motors x 4 harmonics x 3-triple filter, 48 total filters) without overloading processor? They caution about this in ArduPilot setup instructions. Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks again for super video.
@andypiper5285Ай бұрын
@@yancymuu4977 on an H7 it will be fine
@squirrelynutz1Ай бұрын
What do you think? drive.google.com/file/d/1X9VdeKl0rbdCbA-fDR-pARxqko9JQipV/view?usp=drivesdk 1
@jamesmason7124Ай бұрын
Hello from America 🇺🇸, When I use Mission Planner on Android, as soon as i try to connect with my Holybro H743 mini flight controller , it exits the app. Please can you help
@andypiper5285Ай бұрын
I'm afraid I don't use android, best to consult the ardupilot forums
@jamesmason7124Ай бұрын
Wow, that really looks responsive. Thank you for sharing your hard work with us, i really appreciate it
@jamesmason7124Ай бұрын
I'm very interested in this and if you could build a Flywoo Explorer LR 4 for long distance with Arducopter and a Holybro Kakute H743 mini flight controller
@andypiper5285Ай бұрын
This would work well on any small copter with H743
@randomd6r22 күн бұрын
@@jamesmason7124 I've built an Explorer LR4 with Kakute H7 Mini, Mamba F30 ESC & 1404 3000KV motors and it flies very well with Arducopter. I had to omit the third pair of standoffs. Some FCU/ESC would foul the second pair as well. I think that omitting two pairs of standoffs would be a compromise too far, so choose your ESC carefully.
@randomd6r22 күн бұрын
@@jamesmason7124 I used a WalkSnail WS-M181 GPS and had to modify the mount because the connector is offset on this unit.
@jamesmason712420 күн бұрын
@randomd6r do you have a recommendation of a esc for long distance and cruising flying
@randomd6r20 күн бұрын
@@jamesmason7124 I use 4S 650mah lipo so mine is sub 250g. Full throttle climb rate is impressive and causes the battery to sag to 13v, but it's theoretically well within the current rating of the ESC. I assume a 4S Li-Ion long range battery wouldn't trouble the ESC either. Diatone Mamba F30 is very compact, fits nicely and works for me. I think a Speedybee Mini BLS ESC might also fit, but with much less clearance between ESC & standoffs.
@jamesmason7124Ай бұрын
Is there a reason that you prefer props in vs props out? Props out keeps stuff like grass and rocks from hitting the camera
@andypiper5285Ай бұрын
It's purely the default ArduPilot setup. If you use props out you would need to change the frame config
@gabrielaltman2401Ай бұрын
I'm also building this drone with the Pixhawk 6X and a GPS-RTK setup. I enabled DShot control of the ESC following what you did in this video, and the motors seem to be working. Interestingly, when I changed from PWM to DShot, the color of the neopixel LEDs changed. I had them set to "Outback Challenge" (green disarmed, red armed) which was working when PWM ESC control was being used. When I changed to DShot, the colors have changed to red when disarmed, green when armed. No other changes were made to the parameters. Bug? Operator error? I'm not sure.
@andypiper5285Ай бұрын
@@gabrielaltman2401 depends what you connected them to. These are RGB neopixel so need that parameter set to get the right colours
@gabrielaltman2401Ай бұрын
@@andypiper5285 The LEDs are connected to the AUX 1-4 ports on the Pixhawk, the motors are connected to the MAIN 1-4 ports. I set BRD_IO_ENABLE =1. The interesting thing is that the LEDs were the correct colors until I changed the MAIN ports to DShot. Also, the default color settings seem to be correct, only the outback challenge ones are reversed. I made a thread on the ardupilot forums. Thanks for all your work on ardupilot, I'm really enjoying it so far! May I message you on the ardupilot discussion forums?
@andypiper5285Ай бұрын
@@gabrielaltman2401 Main outputs should not affect Aux in any way. For sure message me.
@jamesmason7124Ай бұрын
I truly thank you for making these videos. I am new and trying to learn. I am building a Flywoo Explorer LR 4 for Arducopter with a Holybro H743 mini flight controller. I am building it for lightweight, cruising and long distance flying. My question is do still have your files for your Holybro H743 mini and what other parts would you recommend for my build? You are my goto for Arducopter knowledge
@andypiper5285Ай бұрын
If its my parameters you are after then my Rekon5 uses that flight controller and must be similar in build - www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/s900xvwgeioxewjc7so4d/Rekon5LR-4.2-Tuned-Final.param?rlkey=6rczlk1rnjv2y1lv5ysu62043&dl=0
@jamesmason7124Ай бұрын
@andypiper5285 thank you, what esc motors would you recommend for my build
@andypiper5285Ай бұрын
@@jamesmason7124 I’d have to check what I used
@GuenounovitchАй бұрын
tell me you're single without telling me you're single
@yancymuu4977Ай бұрын
This a great video. I am following your setup for my own holybro x500. Have just succeeding in getting the Bluejay flashed and can see motor speed in telemetry file. Will now setup filter and do test flight. Thanks much.
@ruslan_yanchyshynАй бұрын
I see the same behavior as on my 7" drone: drone rotation is too tough so rotation ends even with some rebound. Do you see this as a problem? If so how to solve it?
@andypiper5285Ай бұрын
So one of the ways you can make this crisper is by tuning D_FF - I have done a video on this. Other ways are to reduce noise so that you can get higher angle P in the tunes
@SimbiFPV2 ай бұрын
Great video! Any chance you could share the parameter list for your X650 build? :D
@andypiper5285Ай бұрын
Hi, the current parameter set I like is this one - www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ohivjee6oigypb7c0j8kp/HolybroX650-Tuned4.5-Pixhawk6XPro-Frame.param?rlkey=457ztvgocwoekeu59r95pqp0l&dl=0
@SlugfrunkАй бұрын
Yes, I would second this. I'm building out a X650 with a Pixhawk 6X and doing a dual GPS RTK build. Ive gotten everything to clear pre flight check and after some fiddling Im getting a stable hover in loiter mode, but I am having a heck of a time tuning the thing and it flies like a twitchy brick. Long time drone op but this is only my second ground up build and If I could get a stable param list for this frame to compare to mine, It would make the process a lot easier!
@andypiper5285Ай бұрын
@@Slugfrunk I've posted a link in the video description
@rickmoro6022 ай бұрын
Is there somewhere I can ask a technical question?
@andypiper52852 ай бұрын
Best place is discuss.ardupilot.org or the ArduPilot discord server
@jamesmason71242 ай бұрын
Have you ever tested the Flywoo m10 mini with compass
@andypiper52852 ай бұрын
@@jamesmason7124 Hi, don’t think I have one of those so have not tried it
@jamesmason71242 ай бұрын
I'm building a Flywoo Explorer LR 4 v2 from the analog frame kit up and i plan on using arducoptet or inav and I've been thinking about using the flywoo gm10 mini with compass, i believe that is the one that fits the factory tpu mount. I also plan on using the Holybro H743 mini flight controller, flywoo Goku g45m esc , flywoo 1404 2750kv motors, and the Rushfpv tank solo vtx with a Caddix ratel 2 camera all powered by a flywoo 4s lion 3000mah battery. What do you think about this setup and what would you recommend. All i have right now is the bare frame kit
@andypiper52852 ай бұрын
@@jamesmason7124 sounds like a nice setup!
@SeniorGamer_502 ай бұрын
I have just completed my Build on the X650 Frame. Very nice frame, but not Cube Friendly 🙂. Also not able to get the LED's working on the Cube Orange +
@andypiper52852 ай бұрын
You need to be careful with the Cube's and NeoPixel - the voltage levels of the signals need to match the input. You should be able to achieve this by putting a pullup of 4.7k between the signal pin and 5v although I have never got it to work well.
@andypiper52852 ай бұрын
Also note that the LEDs are RGB NeoPixel so you need to set that bit in NTF_LED_TYPES
@SeniorGamer_502 ай бұрын
@@andypiper5285 Thanks Andy... Would this be a 4.7K Ohm 1/2W or 1/4W and 5% or 1% tolerance?
@andypiper5285Ай бұрын
No idea, it doesn't need to be very big I don't think
@yancymuu49772 ай бұрын
Another question. I noticed that you used the "dshot" method to setup your escs with your 6X flight controller as opposed to one could say the "conventional method". Can one also do this with the 6C controller. I believe that the escs are the same hardware in the holybro kit. Thanks.
@andypiper52852 ай бұрын
@@yancymuu4977 yes 6C and 6X are very similar hardware wise. But notice you will need to upgrade the ESC firmware
@yancymuu49772 ай бұрын
@@andypiper5285 will do that.
@andypiper52852 ай бұрын
These are the parameters - www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/6d86fszfv5nj8rfhgdya8/Holybro-X500v2-Pixhawk6X.param?rlkey=aj9zttl5jcdbw7vlql4nm4egk&dl=0
@yancymuu49772 ай бұрын
again thanks. I have downloaded and will study it tomorrow. @@andypiper5285
@yancymuu49772 ай бұрын
Andy, thanks for the great video. I have the exact same drone and have just switched from PX4 to ArduPilot. Now I'm trying to do some tuning. I was wondering if you could share your tuning parameters from video? Thanks again.
@andypiper52852 ай бұрын
@@yancymuu4977 happy to but note my settings rely on flashing bluejay and using bdshot. If you try the settings without this you will have problems because the filtering won’t work properly
@yancymuu49772 ай бұрын
@@andypiper5285 ok, will change over the esc setup first.
@Hdig8922 ай бұрын
Exellent video
@timtheplaneman3 ай бұрын
What's the quad doing the follow Andy? I'm looking for something that can go this fast.
@andypiper52853 ай бұрын
It's a Chimera 7
@anuragpatil37283 ай бұрын
Hello Andy, can you please put a video showing how you calculated PSC_VELXY_FF using logs.
@andypiper52853 ай бұрын
Good question. I feel like I have done one of these - but let me check.
@timtheplaneman3 ай бұрын
Apart from an interesting intro to AM32, this is a great general ArduCopter setup video with some great problem-solution moments for many little things that have definitely caught me out when setting up a quad. Great video Andy!
@andypiper52853 ай бұрын
Thanks Tim!
@umbrela_Corp3 ай бұрын
Hey Andy 2:43 , if you dont throttle up then pitch/roll the adjacent motors stop! I about to revive an old tarot hex for some surf fishing 😅
@pedrokito13 ай бұрын
Nice, Cheers
@andypiper5285Ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@allansmits96213 ай бұрын
Andy, sorry for the late post, but I had seen your earlier videos with Lee about tuning the Heewing VTOL, and asked him what the status was. He intimated that your work had likely been incorporated by Heewing into their current T1 Ranger VTOL PNP kits. I just received my PNP kit from Heewing and assembled it and programmed it according the Heewing directions, but have not flown it yet. Can you confirm the Heewing is using at least some of your parameters (their current version is AP 4.3.5)? Any suggestions for further noise filtering and PID? Thanks!!!
@andypiper52853 ай бұрын
Hi Allan, my changes were only integrated into AP 4.4.x and later so it sounds like they are not shipping the right parameters. TBH they have not been that helpful recently despite the time I have put in so I have rather gone off the project. I'm happy flying my Ranger, but am not planning to do much more.
@allansmits96213 ай бұрын
@@andypiper5285 Sorry to hear Heewing was not responsive, after the effort you made! Were your parameters in AP 4.4.x with "their" FC, or a third party? Just wondering whether I should upgrade to 4.4.x to get the benefits of your tuning.
@andypiper52853 ай бұрын
@@allansmits9621 You should definitely upgrade if you can, but they were using a bad board id so that makes it slightly trickier - Lee did a video about how to upgrade. My videos were done with a different flight controller, but I have a friend who has the VTOL FC (provided by Heewing I should say) and we did some parameters for that which I can post again.
@allansmits96213 ай бұрын
@@andypiper5285 Andy, I think I’ll start conservatively with the current FW, but would very much like to try any parameters your friend finds helpful. Please send or re-post.
@andypiper52853 ай бұрын
@@allansmits9621 I've added links to the description. Let me know how you get on.
@SithaSek3 ай бұрын
I had noticed Ardupilot aggressive taking off the ground since 4.3. in your video I saw the same. Is there any param to take off smoother. Big copter is scarry.
@andypiper52853 ай бұрын
I take off aggressively, because ground effects can cause you to tip if you do it very gingerly. There are parameters that allow you to modify the slew time, but in general I would recommend taking off with some authority
@sakuratears97313 ай бұрын
will m9 be better since it has higher update rate?
@andypiper52853 ай бұрын
@@sakuratears9731 wait for the next video!
@umbrela_Corp3 ай бұрын
I think you need an example of let's say a perfect 2 gps with perfect accuracy first to have a good understanding, 2 gps that close is not really a good idea tbh
@andypiper52853 ай бұрын
It's a good idea, but not enough hours in the day! What I can say is I am planning to switch most of my copters over to the M10 Micro so will be able to do a log of that flying
@umbrela_Corp3 ай бұрын
@andypiper5285 mate I your next video queued and I saw all the hardware you had there lol
@sullytrny3 ай бұрын
do a disarmed log and ground a data pin or just unplug to determine gps id
@nighthawkvs3 ай бұрын
Nice to see you just having fun and not teaching us. There is no doubt we need your help, but not every day. Send us one or two of these mixed in with the hardware videos. Cheers!
@andypiper52853 ай бұрын
Glad you like it!
@pilotndablek4 ай бұрын
i used betaflight , and now trying to use inav 7
@ВячеславСергійович-к3ж4 ай бұрын
🎉
@gotoschlric20014 ай бұрын
Maybe it’s just me, but I can barely hear you.
@demonlord3644 ай бұрын
It's decent but yeah not very loid
@andypiper52854 ай бұрын
Sorry!
@andypiper52854 ай бұрын
I'm using the BlueYeti mic - it might need to be a little lower and more in front of me to pick up my voice clearly
@gotoschlric20014 ай бұрын
My apologies, I came back and watched again and I heard you fine. Must have been an internet problem or something. Thanks for the videos!
@joosttromp4 ай бұрын
amazing work Andy!
@andypiper52853 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@umbrela_Corp4 ай бұрын
Is the horizon ment to drift that much on osd
@andypiper52854 ай бұрын
It's a good question. I don't look at the OSD horizon when I am flying. You can see that the copter itself is not drifting - although the control is very smooth and so its difficult to get a sense of the actual speed.