Excellent video! Especially glad to hear clarification about hard edge rails. One nitpick: to make the point, there should be a carve or cutback at 4:54, not a snap, to demonstrate hold of rounder rail.
@gofiodetrigo87566 күн бұрын
would you agree or disagree if I said poly is better than epoxy for hard rails
@colabsurf6 күн бұрын
@@gofiodetrigo8756 probs easier to cut yes. But you can do it with both 👌
@gofiodetrigo87566 күн бұрын
@colabsurf oh yeap sorry I should have specified I was meaning for the surfing not for the actual fact of making the board if that makes sense
@colabsurf6 күн бұрын
@@gofiodetrigo8756 oh I see... Ummm. I don't think I have a strong enough opinion on it either way. I think shaping design would maybe trump the tech used... Ie a small wave board might have harder edges and be better in epoxy... But that wouldn't be the case for everyone... So I think there is a few factors in the mix
@gofiodetrigo87566 күн бұрын
@colabsurf yes exactly not as simple as yes or no agreed in the scenario I have in mind is for some decent size already some three solid hawaiian feet kinda thing and closeout more than open section so for that kinda bottom turn pivoting to go as vertical as possible forehand hoping to at least get to the top of the section before it closes out I'm finding with epoxy atm maybe cuz of the buoyancy or whatever definetly thick rails I don't have the legs needed to push that much if even possible so in thinking for next board whether stick to epoxy or go back to poly as it always was although I had a look at ur web and price wise I'll need to win the lottery to get that new board from u guys lol I wished though but gee 😁 if any of that made sense thanks for ur feedback very much appreciated and happy 2025!
@colabsurf6 күн бұрын
@gofiodetrigo8756 yes I think poly. More power in the waves then the flex of epoxy can be a little rigid to cope with the torque of the turns. You lose a bit of response at critical points. In smaller waves you can gain it with epoxy... 🤙🤙 Happy new year.
@joseantoniobrazagomez69977 күн бұрын
Unfortunately for our brains asymmetry equals imperfection. On the other hand symmetry equals perfection. How to stop our brains from doing this....quite simple. Watch William ripping ( with flow...) on an asymmetric twin backside good size waves. I'm totally convinced. This is probably the future. We have to welcome it😊🙌🤙🏼👏
@PiersYT8 күн бұрын
The slightly twisted board/magic board thing makes total sense def do one maybe call it the Forth "Twisted Hart", I recently sold a twisted board I bought second hand (I told the buyer it was twisted, the guy who sold it didn't tell me the tosser) should have given it a surf first! I recon most shops generally won't order asyms as they'd need to buy double the stock compared to a normal board - not a great business move and therefore no major big surf brand explores the concept much even though it makes total sense
@colabsurf8 күн бұрын
@@PiersYT this is a good point 👌
@joseantoniobrazagomez69979 күн бұрын
Toe or heel.... fantastic!! Well explained. I'm far too thick just can't figure it out 😂😂
@colabsurf7 күн бұрын
@@joseantoniobrazagomez6997 same tbh 🤣🤣.
@joseantoniobrazagomez69977 күн бұрын
However I have to say that I agree with you about blaming the board. I should have got an asy. Long ago...
@colabsurf7 күн бұрын
I think it's something as surfers we should all at least have a go before forming an opinion. It opens up a lot of different avenues....
@joseantoniobrazagomez69977 күн бұрын
@@colabsurf definitely my friend. I am having the bug about ordering one but at this point cannot make up my mind if to order it goofy or natural. It'll be awesome if you guys start shaping boards for right handers and lefts....no matter if we ride goofy or natural. I am loosing my head....😉🙌🙌🤙🏼🙏🫵🤙
@adambuller4562Күн бұрын
@@joseantoniobrazagomez6997 bro you order it however you're stance is. It surfs frontside and backside equally well. You dont only surf it one way.
@MrBreakthompson11 күн бұрын
Amazing breakdown; not enough shapers/reviewers do this!!! Vital information, especially on the rails (which are often forgotten or designated as 'refined' and that's it lol.
@chriswholeland14 күн бұрын
Hi Luke... I'm trying to decide between a 6'8 Form mod pro in your TST finish and a FM love machine in 6'9 out 7'2. What would you recommend? (I'm of intermediate ability...and surf Charmouth, Crantock and S Fistral mostly...I've got a second hand 7'2 flow stick I quite like, thinking I could find something shorter to take the place of my 9'1 skindog (54l) that does quite not fit in my van, but find it a bit sluggish in comparison to the long board. I also have a 5'7 Firewire evo helium I love, but am not very good on yet. Bloody hell, there's so many boards to choose from! An away... if you can be arsed I'd love to hear your opinion. I might ask about trying out a Love machine one day too - do you have Mod Pros to try swell btw? Cheers, Chris
@colabsurf14 күн бұрын
@@chriswholeland hi Chris, I would say the mod pro for sure, on paper it fits right in. There is a 6'6 modpro demo available at board shop but we could arrange it to be in Cornwall also. Re the 5'7, sounds like a big hop down, my advice would be don't surf it until you are confident you can catch any waves you go for on it. Shorter boards are great but they can sometimes slow progression down. As for the 9'1, 54l? Sounds super dooper thin. Maybe it's 64? I think owning a longboard is a great idea for any surfer. It will always get you in the water 👌
@chriswholeland9 күн бұрын
@@colabsurf Thanks so much for the heads up. I'm going to give the flow stick a few months for me to get used to it and try it in a range of conditions. What are your favourite fin set-up/sizes and ones you could recommend for me -11stonie -ish?
@colabsurf8 күн бұрын
@chriswholeland for the flowstik? I love the fcs2 h4s for midlengths in general if I'm running them with a thruster. Feel really nice 👌
@andrewbridle456814 күн бұрын
How did you mix the colour and what type of paint did you use?
@colabsurf14 күн бұрын
@@andrewbridle4568 no paint, all pigment. The pigments are mixed by eye, then added to the clear resin, the amount mixed, then decides the shade and depth. Also done by eye, but with experience you do build an understanding of how much does what ... Most pigment adds never exceed 5% of mass of the total amount of resin.
@Toby_AM16 күн бұрын
Awesome surfing! The music is distorted to shit brah, turn it down next time.
@michaeldill762020 күн бұрын
My ears are bleeding
@xwhite20205 күн бұрын
Good chance you're a bit of a jerk.
@hughmckendrick301820 күн бұрын
When I started surfing, everything up to 7' was a shortboard. 7' To just under 9', a mini mal. 9' And above, a longboard.
@Phaidrus22 күн бұрын
Sexy board! Regarding the volumes you mentioned, what is your weight, if I may ask?
@colabsurf21 күн бұрын
@@Phaidrus Luke is 85kg. Could surf this board from 35- 40l. Chose it in 6'5 38.7l 🤙🤙
@PierreRalph-p1l22 күн бұрын
bro you should of told the guy to stop dropping in, literal surfing etiquette
@erikhancock9856924 күн бұрын
Nice board👍
@erikhancock9856924 күн бұрын
Haha, In San Diego these sized outlines and shapes have been called Combo Eggs since the early 80's . Shortboard / egg/ speed egg combination. The usage of the "mid length" or "mini mids" is just a new way to market and sell these boards. Buy these boards from your local surf shop and or shaper/ board builder. Don't purchase surfboards online!
@sctim12311 күн бұрын
thank you
@Mongiloyd25 күн бұрын
Basically, its a bigboy shortboard, but not for big boys or girls and a little extra spice. The first board I made was a 6'6 with this idea in mind. Let me tell you, it turned out as a oval hull hahahah, it surfs and is very niche, but yea, its a dog for everyday surf. Still enjoy the fact that shapers like you make some good looking boards that fit this 'mini-mid' range.
@colabsurf25 күн бұрын
@@Mongiloyd not how I would describe it tbh 🤣. But, fair play for having a crack at one yourself. I feel like hull bottoms need to be longer in rail to really maximise the trim, this kinda size it's difficult to utilise the hull designs as an easy rider style board in my opinion. But, there's no such thing as a wrong board, they will all be fun to figure out for someone 🤙🤙 daily driver big guy board I feel like needs more in rail, three fins and a bit more pivot in the outline. The new model BP round (clip out soon) is probably closer to the money in that respect 🤙
@thisrelationshipthing25 күн бұрын
Looking forwards to some footage of someone surfing this one 😉
@colabsurf25 күн бұрын
@@thisrelationshipthing on the way 👌
@DavidJones-yl9kk25 күн бұрын
I love the board. I am getting a custom made very similar to yours. I love the BMTs. They are my favorite fin. It’s like riding a fast thruster. The hold and drive on those things are unreal. I can’t believe how loose they are though. They turn on a dime.
@kiernoify25 күн бұрын
Beautiful board!
@martinb-t2m25 күн бұрын
this is what im looking for
@nicholasnelson614825 күн бұрын
sick board man and proper solid description🤘🤘🤘
@rosswilson525325 күн бұрын
It’s also great that shapers are learning how to make these work. Not that long ago it was just “big guy tri’s” that didn’t work unless you were a giant. Or the old funboard. Very cool looking board.
@colabsurf25 күн бұрын
@@rosswilson5253 🤙🤙
@warawau25 күн бұрын
Im mind blown how you nailed it with this. I was riding a CI Mid 6’8 40lt stock. I bought it thinking alike and didnt fulfill my expectations nor intentions. Days back I saw a used MRxMayhem Cali Twin Pin 6’8x22x2.70 43L with more or less the same outline and characteristics as the board you show, I bought it right away. Its a very well thought way to approach that missing link area between going performance and midlength. I saw it too, some folks just dont get it or just throw rigid beliefs or go all purists with the midlength approach, idea or experience. Fucking bored of that. Yours seems like an epic board and a perfect example of it. Totally tuned in on what you mention and how you break up the board characteristics, had a long discusion with a friend about it.
@colabsurf25 күн бұрын
@@warawau that's why we do it. Massively appreciate that comment. Thank you 🤙🤙
@974beavis26 күн бұрын
Perfect boards for every day average surfer, fitless ones and oldies specially
@joesefr.775626 күн бұрын
Looks so good, I just changed from a flat mid length with a wide swallow tail to a board of the same length and similar volume but with a pin tail and a little more nose rocker - feels so much better for me.
@colabsurf26 күн бұрын
@@joesefr.7756 👌
@Hotwire_RCTrix26 күн бұрын
There isn't a board that works in anything.
@colabsurf26 күн бұрын
@@Hotwire_RCTrix no board is designed for everything. There are PLENTY of boards that can be surfed in a much wider range of waves than they are designed for.
@erikhancock9856924 күн бұрын
There isn't a regular surfer that surfs in anything.
@Ian-108026 күн бұрын
I just scooped up a 6’6 love machine fm. Figured it’d be my step up. I just got in some overhead waves and went great. However it really surprised my waist high waves. Barely paddle, so much flow and speed
@jeffg468626 күн бұрын
Nice overall shape. Now round out the nose. It's gonna get crowded out there and we don't need these eye stabber boards. We need some general protection up front, and maybe some face gear.
@bmartinot26 күн бұрын
All I've ever ridden. 95% of people on these tiny short boards have no right to wax them up and aren't going to progress on them either.
@colabsurf26 күн бұрын
harsh but fair? i think progression is certainly slowed down a bit if you are riding the wrong board, or you end up with bad habits as a result of it.... like learning to walk in shoes to small.... end up with a funny walk and bad feet.... but, i do think there is an argument the other way around also.... some people are to scared to look out of place by riding a different board so they end up never really knowing if they missed out or not..... that being said. in the case of surfboards i think too big is always better than too small.
@pnwpovsurfer_26 күн бұрын
Facts
@metalbear70225 күн бұрын
Ha ha who the hell is anyone to say someone shouldn't have the right to wax up a shortboard....absolute ridiculous statement
@Jensensurfs26 күн бұрын
🔥🔥🔥
@J0llygiant26 күн бұрын
Mini mid for you is what I call a shortboard at a push as I’m 6’5 and 100kg in my birthday suit 😂 Lovely looking board though. Be interested if you’d think it would work in a size big enough for me or
@colabsurf26 күн бұрын
@@J0llygiant it's all relative. I think we could custom make you one potentially yes. As long as it sits somewhere in your quiver that makes sense. Birthday suit surfing optional 🤣.
@SunriseSessions26 күн бұрын
Love it! As a timepiece owner and looking at a 6’6 to add to my 6’9 😍. How does it compare to the mod pro?
@colabsurf26 күн бұрын
Funny you should ask actually.... It's the same base file. The mod pro is basically the thruster version, slightly less refined, arguably more suitable in smaller waves, but both will work in anything really. This one is just slightly more free feeling and the mod pro is more pivot based.
@SunriseSessions26 күн бұрын
Thnx heaps! Loved the last bit as well!
@robdash935826 күн бұрын
ohhhh i like the look of this. Good breakdown fella
@colabsurf26 күн бұрын
@@robdash9358 thanks 🤙🤙
@chrispowell997126 күн бұрын
Think this is just what I am after. Have been looking for ages for a board that will be similar to my flow stick 6’6 but that can be pushed just a bit harder. Looked at the flow stick pro but was a bit worried that might lose some ability in the rubbish fat waves that I seem to end up surfing a lot of the time. Had been thinking about a 6’4 big baron type board. Really reluctant to move on from the flow stick and lose all of the things that make surfing on it so fun. How does the 6’6 of this model compare to the flow stick?
@colabsurf26 күн бұрын
@@chrispowell9971 I guess it would feel like a spicier version. Duck dive a bit easier and go round a corner a bit faster... You will end up losing stability as a result but I think it would be net positive in terms of having a good surf.
@chrispowell997126 күн бұрын
@@colabsurfgreat thanks. I think that is what I am after. I have improved quite a bit since I got my flow stick but it’s still the board I use the most in the ocean and the one I have the most fun on. Just want a very slightly more high performance version.
@colabsurf26 күн бұрын
@chrispowell9971 also look at the mod pro...... Just to confuse you a bit 🤣🤣
@chrispowell997126 күн бұрын
@@colabsurfyes I have been looking at that too and was quite tempted but I think I would prefer a bit more waterline to volume ratio. I had a 6’ cali twin pin which was nice and easy to surf but I kept wanting to ride it like a smaller short board. Now have a 6’ alone 13 at 32l as a big forgiving short board so think something 6’5 or 6’6 would fit in nicely.
@colabsurf26 күн бұрын
@chrispowell9971 👌
@ThomasSheehan-n6lАй бұрын
Love pommy accent, cornwal scenery as well as surf stoke. Thanks
@changingphysiquesАй бұрын
The things you say totally resonate. I thought, yeah the weekend rockstar and the chilli wrap were totally the boards I'm going to get. Then I listen to this and I'm like, these are the boards ive gotta get 🤦🏼♂️ you could literally say anything at this point and I'm sold on it 🤷🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
@colabsurfАй бұрын
@@changingphysiques I will break them down as best I can.... BP range are easy. My personal fav at the mo is the 6'6 BP round. I think it's a great all rounder. Less responsive than the two fishes though mainly due to rail length. The Chilliwrap is fishy, loose, fast, slightly small wave biased. The weekend rockstar is for those who want a shortboard but know they need a bit of extra help, or a great addition to a shank for a small wave board.....
@changingphysiquesАй бұрын
Gonna come and chat with you Luke in the new year. Hopefully you can spare the time
@Atlantic.coachingАй бұрын
Luke giggling at the end 😂😂 enjoyed that!
@changingphysiquesАй бұрын
Youre either very honest or you're turning into the best salesman ever 🤣 hows this different to the weekend rockstar?
@colabsurfАй бұрын
@@changingphysiques I would like to think I'm honest. We want to sell outboards bit we for sure want to make sure people get on the right board. The weekend rockstar leans a lot more to forgiveness and ease. It opens up this type of board to surfers lacking in wave catching prowess and quick adaptability on the wave.
@changingphysiquesАй бұрын
This is almost like the chilli wrap? Besides the fin boxes what makes this different
@colabsurfАй бұрын
@@changingphysiques less width in the nose. More relative width in the tail. Slightly lower exit to entry rocker ratios, boxier rails, more roll on the double concave, a more progressive foil.... This is closer to a shortboard than the chillwrap. It's also taken a different path to get to similar places..... This one certainly comes from shortboards getting friendlier, and the Chilliwrap comes from hybrids getting more hp.
Love mine! It’s my go to when I just want to have fun and connect the dots! 2+1 flys 🔥
@colabsurfАй бұрын
@@Jensensurfs you shred on that thing yenmaster 🔥🔥
@22mediaАй бұрын
‘Doesn’t turn like a boat’ dillsy make some rounds on that thing ! Make him a 5’8
@colabsurfАй бұрын
@@22media 100% try get him to order a fish though..... 🤣
@Martin1ArmАй бұрын
Looks sick 🤙🏼
@Atlantic.coachingАй бұрын
Absolutely love mine!! 🔥🔥
@bm7586Ай бұрын
I can’t wait to get mine next week !!!
@Dicko301Ай бұрын
Nice shape perfect Cornish board, looks fun
@boxofdoomisolationcabinets166Ай бұрын
well! this was interesting!
@SurfdronesdАй бұрын
You handled that drop well🤙
@paulwilford9147Ай бұрын
Shuuhhhh…..top bass spot too
@jaysmartinАй бұрын
Haha you sum up the feeling of walking into DTL so well. Often feels quite uncomfortable whenever I've been in there. You going to visit the new DTL old sorted shop in Bournemouth? Edit: DTL Hayle email customer service is actually very good - got a sale boaed with a tiny ding in the glass and they knocked £20 off. Might be just me being a life long kook when walking into the hayle shop Double edit: I've been down to boardshop in person to collect a board and spoken to them on the phone. Really good guys