I 100% second this! I feel like my bike is on the threshold of the most noisy I want it to be. Even, given the opportunity I'd rather have a slightly quieter exhaust or even same as stock.

That is true and we can see it on many roads. - Also: Mind the speed limits as well

Many hikers and mountain bikers are going to hate you regardless of what you do. They view any noise, smell, or trail marking as unacceptable out in nature. I'm in a very wealthy mountain town in the US and the hikers hate me, it's very clear when I run into them on the trails. My bike is not loud BTW, 2 stroke 300 with a stock exhaust typically running in the bottom of the RPM range to maintain traction on steep and rocky mountain climbs.

I was born a grumpy old man and I can assure you, you can live with that. However, being grumpy or not is completely irrelevant. It has nothing to do with being right and you are simply right.

I'm in the US I average 14000 miles a year in the 70s car's didn't isolate noise and so loud pipes saved lives, no more loud pipes just give you a headache

I would actually be down for an electric bike, because of these reasons. But the technology is just not there yet to ride a full day (and there is no model available in the dualsport category afaik).

This is why I advocate for noise cameras even though I am a motorcyclist. If we lose the right to use our motorcycles because too many people get pissed off, we will never get it back again! We need to get rid of hooligans if we want motorcycling to still have a place on the roads.

So true. I am a biker, too, and wished my scrambler would be quieter, not louder. As a penalty for those hotheads I suggest to have them spend a full summer living on the main road in a village like Innertkirchen (CH), where on nice days thousands of motorcycles are passing by on their way to either Grimsel- or Sustenpass. Bedroom to the street. I almost guarantee that their claim, „sound“ would be an expression of their freedom, changes quickly once they are on the involuntary receiving end.

I am surprised this is unpopular, how can you not see that you are ruining the hobby for everyone with your loud bike. Sometimes I am on some very nice roads in the nature, I stop and everything is so silent and calm, but there is that asshole 5 kms away ripping his bike backfiring on every downshift

"Loud pipes kill trails" is a great motto, will have to make a T-Shirt with that :)

Another advantage of quite motorcycles on adventure rides on unpaved roads is seeing more wildlife. More of an opportunity to get closer to nature. Which is one of the reasons I do this type of riding.

amen brother!!!!

In the Netherlands it was mainly the old idiots who went for their boy's dream, took motorcycle lessons and bought a Harley. Before they even rode them, they mounted open pipes which are illegal in the Netherlands. This wannabe Hells Angels ffed it up for everyone.

Unfortunately i guess it will be more and more roads closed because of this.

Well the thing the Austrian ruling is: I can meassure an idling motorcycle very consistant. I don't have to rev it, because every motorcycle has a different rev range. Besides that I do think that this is just a bandaid law to get people to shut up about it. I don't really assume that many motorcycles would really be that loud in idle. I'm living in Germany, in the black forrest region. Once a road get's too loud and annoing they put up speed signs. Most villilages have tempo 30 now, because of "noise protection" or "street damages". But, on certain popular pieces of open road they have limit 60 km/h because of us. My personal standpoint is, that we are the minority. We anoy people; we are loud, the emergency services have to scrape us off the roads(4128 accidents in black forrest region alone in 2023), we scare car drivers. We are treading on thin ice and we are about to lose the last bit of acceptance. I'm totally on your side.

Looking at your registration plate, you live in Sweden. You should know by know, that it is minorities that gets their voices heard most of the time in Sweden. I can give you 100 examples of this fact, when ever you like.

As someone who has both ridden trails since I was a kid, and also lobbied for closing some trails next to a housing development, I totally agree with this. In fact, my argument would be that we might be able to create urban trails similar to bike trails if we limit them to electric motorcycles. There is opportunity here.

As a performance and power guy, I've never understood the appeal of attracting as much attention as possible. The ego necessary to think that everyone needs to hear/see you riding (or driving, car people do it too) is absolutely wild.

My old 1150 was so quiet... you could drive discrete trough the sheep, nobody moved. Then I bought the 2010 DOHC boxer 1200... all the animals ran away...unnecesary. I like tiny roads passing through nature, farmroads and doing this without causing irritation or disturbing....

Agreed, 100%. Everyone not agreeing should sit at the entrance of the Tannheimer Tal in Tirol for an hour, on a sunny Saturday afternoon. Or on any other of the countless locations that suffer the same. It's not only about loud pipes. It is in general about the ability and willingness to take into account one's impact on the environment and other beings.

Well said.

I agree. Better be allowed on the roads than not. The reason we see many roads closed due to TET traffic...

Good point, although it's also about how you ride with a louder bike rather than just the muffler or lack thereof. A bike with a loud exhaust isn't nearly as intrusive if you keep the revs down, upshift early and ride calmly. I would in fact think that the combination of loud bikes being ridden recklessly (speeding, weaving, passing dangerously, wheelies... you get the point) is the worst when it comes to making people think bad of us motorcyclists.

I love a loud pipe, but you have to also see others prospective, its pretty easy keep the volume down in towns and around others, don't rev the shit out of your bike to look "cool". Anyone that can't see how it's a bad look is just the true epitome of a self centred wanker.

Gutes Video, ich verstehe auch nicht warum so viele meinen ein Motorrad muss laut sein. Da bauen sie Krawalltüten an ihr Bike und stecken sich Ohrstöpsel in die Ohren. Nur damit sie ihrer Umwelt auf die Nerven gehen können.

Na toll…. Der Wings hat keine E Nummer und ist nicht zugelassen in Europa für den Strassengebrauch! Egal welchen DB Killer Du drinn hast! Nein auch nicht in Schweden. Wegen….. ja genau den Geräusch Emissionen!

Nice video. I live not far from Hägnen and been there several times. I love how it kind of stands there as a free museum.

Wie fährt man dann los?

I have the '24 Norden Exp. Only complaint is the seat gets painful after 4hrs in the saddle. Will be adding taller risers in the future as I'm not as interested in looking like a competitor than being more comfortable on long stretches. These bikes sweep through corners & the option to hit the woods when the traffic jams up is always a plus. Your right about all plastic hand guards, $100 US per pair is a bit much. For the most part these bikes are a tad expensive up front & for on going maintenance (mandatory service intervals) Other than that they are a lot of fun. Thnx for your honest user videos.

Thank you for the review. Did you have any cam wear when doing the valve checks? Thanks

Mit der Senke habe ich mich mit ner transalp mindestens 5 mal auf die Klappe geegt

Der Seitenständer, der beim Aufsteigen die Grätsche macht oder verschleisst gehört dem Konstrukteur um die Ohren gehauen! Das Argument mit der Flächenpressung zieht nicht. Das ist eine einfache Auslegungssache.

engineers aint work at the workshop as an service mechanic :D

fuck the rules, especially germany does restrict everything, as a free man i want to ride whenever i want, where i want and how i thing its acceptable, i dont need any restrictions to protect me and others, iam not a child, iam a free bird!

50k ktm 790 ? That is a lucky guy- normally you have at least 2 if not 3 top end engine rebuilds -cheese camshafts. Basically do not buy those.

Bei mir es so, ich fahre eine BMW F750GS, das ist kein Flacheisen. Meine Schritthöhe beträgt 80cm, also mittlerer Bereich. Ich steige, mit oder ohne Gepäck, mit einem „Spagat“ auf, runter komm ich immer. Meine Sozia hasst das Alu- Topcase, sie steigt, ausschließlich, in Cowboymanier auf‘s Moped. Ich fahre aber, wenn sie hinten drauf sitzt, nur mit der Alukiste, damit sie hinten, beim beschleunigen, nicht nach hinten runter fällt. Also fährt sie nicht mehr mit. So hab ich die letzten 20.000km alleine zurück gelegt, gut aber auch schade.

Did you raise the forks in the clamps?

Well done. Great video. Where did you get the foldable clutch and brake lever from please?

So what's better KTM 890 or Norden 901 ?

Is it better than 790 Adventure, and cheeper ?

Und in der nächsten Folge: Wasser kochen leicht gemacht! 😂 LIEBEn Gruß

Are your camshafts still OK and did you check them (physically).?

Hallo ich bin 1 58 glaubt ihr ich passe auf einen chopper oder könnte eine fahren liebe grüße chris

Iv a 2020 790 r best bike Iv ever ridden. Just changed chain and sprockets 11k miles, slightly premature but also dropped a tooth to 15, much better for me.

Have you inspected it for Cam wear

An ancestor of mine

Da bin ich ganz bei dir. Mit Sicherheit ein tolles Motorrad, was seine Vorteile in anderen bestimmten Einsatzbereich hat. Leider gibt es kaum noch leichte Reiseenduros mit "großer" Reichweite mehr. Schade das KTM/Husqvarna/GasGas keine 690/701 mehr als Adventure Modelle anbietet wie es KTM noch mit den 620/640er Modellen gemacht hat.

Agree 100%. The BMW GS1250/1300 isn't really a genuine off road bike. Many seldom go on gravel let alone in any mud. They are just status symbols. As you say more suited to a country like Australia. Also the new tank and adjacent panels of the GS1300 looks like an old vacuum cleaner. Terrible. Please do more chats like this. Very good.

Do you have any problem with camshaft?

Super! Genau so mache ich das auch. Das einzige leidige Thema ist das Rückwärtsrangieren. Da braucht es dann doch beide Beine, aber Kraft kannst du mit den Fussspitzen net wirklich aufbringen um das Moped zu schieben. Absteigen ist auch leidig. Hast du dazu noch einen Tipp?