I mean yes, he had a plan good for him. But a plan does not translate to good strategy, he was woefully outmaneuvered at most turns and lacked knowledge of most of his enemies. Sometimes, when you're whipped, you run with your tail between your legs rather than staying and attempting to encourage people to use their better judgement. Was he a moron? No. Was he outclassed, yes and that in itself is a failure regardless if its his fault.

I love that last statement about how Ned wasn't foolish, but everyone around him was-- family, friends, coworkers...

well, ned knew about the true heir to the iron throne and that robert's rebellion was a sham. The true heir was "safe" at the wall (Jon Snow). Ned knew in the senseless power grab war they would all kill each other. But he died with his secret and kept one player in the game that was noble and well raised.

Tywin marrying his own cousin for love but forcing his own children into political marriages against their will has always been a glaring hypocrisy to me.

This video has no direction

A dragon bonds with who it wants to bond with

It would be kind of funny if Addam of Hull was Laenor's bastard son... like, you couldn't do your marital duty with Rhaenyra but you did knock up some random woman? XD It'd be utterly ridiculous, which is why I agree it's far more likely that Addam is Corlys's bastard.

His stupidity was keeping his children in the loop at all. They are KIDS they don't need to know shit. Wake them up in the middle of the night and force them to leave

Cole is a character being sacrificed and used by the feudal system of society that does not care of any individuals life, Cole’s actions against the Blacks is perceived to be as villainous, even though some see him as a hero for the Greens, and as a villain for the Blacks. So I believe that he was always meant to be the villain not by choice, but by force and persuasion. I heavily support Rhaenyra for her claim to the throne, but her actions against Criston Cole and what she did when she was a teenager, i heavily do not agree with or condone her for that. Why? Because she made a huge reckless mistake of endangering someone who was very loyal to her and would’ve done the same things for her and her children. But I do not support, and I do not like Criston Cole because he is a Knight with false honor, and what he believes in his own mind is what’s right for the kingdom and what’s right for himself I did not buy into the first scene when we saw him because from his book counterpart, some of the things remain true about him. I see his actions towards Reynera is coming from a place of spite, bitterness and hatred. It’s not loves, and I honestly believe he should’ve just left the Kings guard after what happened with Rena and when she rejected him if he couldn’t handle it mentally and emotionally then he should’ve just left either to Essos or go to the Night’s Watch.

His Name Will now Forever be known as..... Der Fist'n Pole

MACE THE ACE!!!!!! Based as fuck.

He is a moron, the Queen of Thorns is behind everything he does. So many hints towards this as well in the books its hard to miss. And if you missed this and think Mace Tyrell was the genius then you just aren't paying attention.

"It was your mercy that killed Robert."

Yo. Grrm straight up said the books are written by flawed people, maesters that weren’t alive and wrote it after, or accounts they heard from small folk, while the show is actually following those characters live the story. I think that’s saying, in this specific instance that show cannon beats book cannon every time. Honestly it’s the only way the show has a chance at being good, the book is dry, short of details and no dialogue, so it’s perfect to fill all that stuff in on the show.

He is my favourite character in the show lol...

I've never thought Ned was stupid but I do think it's fair to say he was naive, at least to an extent.

I think the structure off the argument doesn't work. It's kinda hes not like that in the books, so he shouldn't be considered as he is portraid in the show. you can critizise the portraid of the carrecter in comperison to the books but not the reactions to the portraid character with the book. In addition aure there is a power imbalance. But that doesn't free him of his personal respawnsabillities. I think that's why he struggles. He knows he broke his oath, he hates himselve for it. He copes by hating Rhaenyra. I think they ruined it a bit when they made him kill somebody at a feast. I can't see how he still has his head and even less why he has the cloak. But they did, which makes him a homicidal mainiac. And I agree that the book character sounds more interesting but that doesn't change how he is in the series.

No, already off to a bad start. I adore Aemond and Otto, yet I hate the greens, and I think that's a common sentiment. People hate Cole because he's self centered (Refuses Rhaenyras proposal to continue their affair under the pretense that the kings guard is all he has to his name, but before that, he asks Rhaenyra to go to essos with him and abandon her name... kinda hypocritical) and he's also fickle. He despises rhaenyra and calls her a spoilt c*nt (remember, he CHOSE to sleep with her, she was 18, he was around 22-31 at the time, GRRM's lore book says he is 16 years older, so he could be as old as 34 at the time shes 18) or something, but in one of the later episodes he says all women are made in the image of the mother (one of the gods) and should be spoken of with reverence, again hypocritical. He beats a guy to death over a proposed alliance of secrecy and gets no repercussions, he kills a member of the council in the presence of the most powerful people and gets no repercussions, it's hinted that he sleeps with Alicent but at the very least loves her, and is basically the embodiment of a white knight (armour and all) or incel. You seem to be relying on the book for evidence, but you have to remember that the whole point of the book is to give unreliable narration, and is supposedly written AFTER the Targaryen rule... by a Maester (aka the people who hate Targaryens and have bias towards the Hightowers)

Often enough the claim for "stuped Ned" is based on him: 1 - not having foresight: failed to predict unthinkable events 2 - not being all knowing: failed to know what everyone was doing, thinking, planning at all times 3 - and primarily not being someone else: failed to not be a Stark. Plus, a concept issue: what means to be stupid?

Cersei lost everything in the end

Ned Stark was what everyone knew of the northern hemisphere leaders and its people, loyal! They keep their word, oath and loyalty which made the future after Ned’s death everything more important about honor and keeping your word, the starks were the oath keepers! That’s why the North wanted them to rule,

I've been saying this for a few months re:unreliable narrators. ALL narrators think he's an idiot...so he's not. Ty for the content!

"Seven save this realm if we seat a bastard on the Iron Throne. They will turn the Red Keep into a brothel. No man's daughter will be safe, nor any man's wife. Even the boys ... we know what Laenor was."

Vikings is better than house of the dragon because in vikings every character is hero for example ivar and bjorn but in hotd only rhayneera and her allies are shown good while greens are shown evil. who agrees?

Did Grrm say that what happened in the show is what really happened and is basically Cannon?

robert dying was also pure luck on cerseis part, guy was surrounded by kingsguard including barristan selmy, out hunting which hed done a thousand times before, all cersei did was give him wine which isnt an airtight assassination plot, especially considering he was already a massive drunk and would have had a tolerance for alcohol through the roof. had robert survived ned would have too

Robert and his brother have actually have a targaryen blood line b/c their grandmother was a targaryen

Nah. He's just a douche.

no no, not a matter of bias the guy is just an ashole, who did what he wanted, feel bad about it then put the blame on the girl and act the worst way following that

Ned was only stupid if we consider him as a fortune teller. His unability to forseen absolutely unbelievable events. He failed to imagine stupid wife kidnapping Tyrion in a tavern of the road. He failed to imagine stupid teenager daughter to speak his plans. He failed to predict death by wild animal... wtf. Stupid is to act without reason, what he never did.

A lion does not concern himself with the opinion of sheep

season start he kills a guy for being covert., same.happened to him.

If you ever leave a bathroom and pretend you did not do anything disgusting, then you are a pretender, or a hypocrite.

Show runners are black fans they have a money for a fake Royal hunting so they show rhaneyra as more worthy

I always thought ned more understemated the ruthlessness of cercei than anything, had he assesssed her character a little better and Robert hadn't died so quickly he would have fought for stanis against the lanisters and renly

No one had a claim over the 7 kingdoms. Including Targaryens. They did it, just because they could, nothing more

The end of A Dance with Dragons we hear Mace all puffed up with swollen pride and arrogance trying to gain more control from Kevin. Mace is also not an effective Battle Commander. It's house Tarley that is the main strength of the South. I see Mace running into a battle he can't win in book six because he's headed to face the Golden company, which will soon come down with Grayscale. Before book six is done half the army will be infected. I think Lady Olenna Tyrell is right about her son. Plus her Grand children act more like her than Mace.

Ned refused to play the game. He thought righteousness would always prevail, this cost him his life. Which makes him stupid.

He has no mistake. The mistake was Edmure not being patient. And Robb's biggest mistake was falling in love. He went soft.

Such few comments. Here's one more. I once watched a video on the same topic long ago, so this rings a good bell. Nice.

The only bad decision he made, imo, was underestimating Cersai and include Littlefinger in ANYTHING!! After what happened to Bran, he should have known tgey have NO boundaries

No just honor bound to do stupid things. Dead, my friends is dead.

His underestimation of the stupidity and viciousness of the people around him is what made him lose, the reason he was like that, is because he was out of touch with the realm, staying in winterfell away for ages, so he didn't get to see how people lost their honor and wiseness.

I dont think Mace is some genius for doing what every lord tries to do -- marry family members into better positions. That's like giving him credit for breathing, under the genius ploy that it will keep him alive. For cying out loud lol. Engaging video, just don't agree

Eddard had the talk with Cersei while Robert was alive. That means he had the upper hand in that moment and neither Cersei or Tywin could have done anything about it. And then Robert gets gored by a boar and everything goes to shift. Secondly, the whole idea about his honor being at fault is actually a line Littlefinger said in his talk with Eddard. And some readers sucked that strawman hook and sinker, as if it was true. "You wear your honor like a suit of armor, Stark. You think it keeps you safe, but all it does is weigh you down and make it hard to move." Thats just Littlefinger opinion. We never see Eddard behaving like that, like he is some super honorable Stannis type of a character. Yet Tyrion did not have any such problems and what happened to him? What happened to Tywin? The Mountain? Red Viper? How many other players? And after all, is Littlefinger going to win the game? Completely blind to anything else except his own greed? I dont think so.

Agree with everything....except the confrontation with cersei.....that was his honor. Period. I would hope i would do the same, but it was the wrong move for the right reason. Is what it is. It was a fatal miscalculation, but as i said, that doesn't make him a fool. He made nearly every correct strategic decision....except that one

I think this video and the comments have a lot of good points about Tywins flaw. To me his biggest flaw isn't particularly a character flaw, but rather the "Dynasty" thing. If you look at the books and saw how he felt about about his dad Tytos Lanister, if you look at how he talks about the targaryans and what HE remembers about them vs what arya talked about, if you look at how he treats his family, if you even just look at the characters introduction where he gets immediately defensive towards Jamie about "So the Lion does concern itself with the opinion of the sheep" that seen clearly shows his hypocrisy very clearly cause he's basically just Jamie with the his tussle with ned in the streets, but bigger. Why does he reffer to it as fact? Why is it that when he does it its good, but when Jamie does it its stupid? because he is what the Lannister name will be remembered for and all the decisions he makes are all good. "We are no longer a house to be feared" speaks volumes to it being ALL about how the Lannister name will be remembered. He's obssessed with the Lannisters having a long reign and the security that the Targaryans had. Which is why when Joffrey the actual lowest of the Lannisters tells him that maybe they should worry about the dragons he openly ignores it because the last thing he wants is to lose all the progess they've made, especially by the Dynasty he wants to be better then. TL;DR His greatest flaw is truly that he has an inferiority complex when he compares his political prowess to the Dynasty of the Targaryans, he will do anything to reach the goal of being greater then that Dynasty. Its why he's such a genius who is 3 steps ahead and he will do ANYTHING to get as far as possible as early as possible. Even if it Tortures his children or makes him look like a horrible person/sheep that he pretends he isn't.

Ned was not stupid, he was smart. The problen was that he was not as smart as the Littlefinger

But Robert Baratheon did have the strongest claim by blood amongst those who rebelled. That's why they chose him to be king instead of Ned or Jon Arryn. It wasn't the strongest claim compared to the Targarions, but he did have a claim through his grandmother. Yes he claimed the throne by conquest, but he also needed a legitimate blood connection to the throne to make it easier for him to be accepted as king.

Dude no way Roberts army bets targ army and reach army it’s bigger then both put together