he just want to be embraced by his mother but all what did embraced him was his flame , the serpent and the oblivion of a lightless creature shorn of light by his curse. she hide him away keeping him a company with her original sin and a hatred that would not be confined what a sad character 😢

Omg I AM IN TEARS! Well done! One of the best summaries I've seen on KZbin about them! Bravo!

What do you mean our tarnished is graceless if he/she was guided by the grace/Marika to become the new lord?

I believe messmer would be a friendly boss like rellana after defeating her

Messmer is the best written boss in this game 😔

Love your channel! Loved your Rykard❤❤. Video! It was amazing! I hope you can do Melinda one! 😍😍😍❤❤❤ great video on messmer. Really learnt more about him! I really do wish we could get anime or hbo series on Elden ring. Since George RR Martin inspired Elden ring characters and the world! 😊🎉❤

if the tarnished really lacked grace they would not see the erdtree nor be guided by marika, idk how you got that fact that the player character is graceless

you forgot to add the part where this is a great example of the consequences of blind loyalty

It's cool to think that Godwyn the Golden. The most revered Demi-god showed a liking for Mesmer If Marika wasn't such a horrible parent Mesmer could've become a God to be praised and loved. Instead he became a War Lord that was forgotten and abandoned

That is one thing I love about Elden Ring. The story is really profound and interesting. I wish we could befriend Messmer. I wish we had an option to somehow side with Mequella. Almost, if not all of the major characters are develloped enough to be protagonist on their own.

Godrick was definitely pressured by his royal blood to become great. It's a sad story indeed.

A General who wished only for his men’s safety. A God who wished only to fulfill his sovereign duties. A Son who wished only to please his mother. Messmer is as complex as he is tragic.

This video didn’t answer my unanswered question about Maliketh How exactly can this lion like creature be Marikas Halfbrother??? Shadowbound beast makes sense but HALFBROTHER?

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I really like your video style, pacing, use of voice lines and instrumentals 😎

Great breakdown. His voice actor did a great job of layering emotion into a very small number of lines. Beyond the abyssal serpent, knowing that a ‘lowly’ tarnished might be favored over him by his own mother, and then the realization that he may indeed be unworthy near the end… a great fight and one of best stories told within a fight they’ve ever done

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So it's assumed marika is how mother, but he doesn't say that specifically. The gloam eyed queen is the statue in his room, not marika...

The official's attire hinted at whatever Melina and Mesmer went through to have the seals put on them.

Why does he attack us. In lore we can see grace. Or does he jist think since we are tarnished we all have no grace or he hasnt heard of everyone's death during the shattering yet

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The quality of this channel is mesmerizing (no pun intended). Great camera work, finely articulated lore, and a refreshing take on how the villain’s view the story/world. People often forget that just because the bosses are you opposition doesn’t necessarily mean they’re your enemies. I’m glad I found you, and I hope for your success, my friend. Keep up the good work!

Messmer, child of a god, committed *genocide* because he had mommy issues, and Rellana was into it. . . wow. So much of the divine families problems could be fixed with just one behavioral hospital visit and half decent therapy.

Messmer is a tragic figure when you put the story all together, he's another of Marikas tragic betrayals.

The tarnished befriending Messmer is actually a thought I like and kinda wish to be an option. He is, without a doubt, my favourite character in Elden Ring.

Ha, Dark Souls was all about people trying to prolong the Age of Fire while in Elden Ring fire is spurned and feared. And it's interesting that Miquella was able to force the belief he was kind. Meanwhile Messmer was made a pariah even though he was genuinely kind.

It would have been cool if messmer had a third remembrance weapon, like some sort of “serpent communion” spell maybe, I mean bear communion was a joke, and Bayles incantations were good, but way too slow for pvp

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The complexity of Messmers entire character is what rightfully makes him one of the best characters From Software has ever written. I for my part declared him my favorite character in Souls, just after seeing the trailer for the dlc. I immediately ordered the special edition for a statue of him and was glad, that my high opinion of him was justified by his ambivalent and tragic character

The fact that Messmer curses Marika in a similar manner as the hornsent js such a perfect, sad cherry on top of messmers story and just dripping with irony. Marika and messmer are both such wonderfully complex characters.

I think Messmer only interacted with Radahn, Ranni, Rykard, Godwyn and Melina, never meeting Miquella/Malenia. His crusade seems to have taken off only *after* Godfrey's exile and the war with the Giants, as he knows what a Tarnished is. It's likely that he served under Radagon during the Liurnian wars, which paralleled Godfrey's conquest of Limgrave and Caelid, and when they met the moon sisters. If we look closely at the furnace golems in the Land of Shadow, we can see a few distinctive features. One is the face-mask trophies taken from the Fire Giants (indicating they'd already been used against them), the other is in the articulated face and metallic basket design. This mesh-puppet aesthetic shares some design elements with the Marionette and Avionette enemies; if you look closely, most of their "body" is actually a metal mesh cage/basket, which encloses the puppet-like limbs. My take is that the Furnace Golems were constructed at the behest of the Golden Order following the marriage of Rennala and Radagon (and maybe Rellana and Messmer if the fire-sword theory holds any water) once they were incorporated into the Golden Order. This could almost be seen as a switch in alliance, as the Carians/Raya Lucaria are descended of the Astrologers, who were friend to the Giants, the Carian moon gazing grounds seem to be inspired by the sacred pool in Motoya Sicily, a body of still water which sat in the center of a temple, and which may have been used to reflect the night sky for astronomical observations of auspicious constellations. This previous relationship between their ancestors may have been the casus belli for Marika's invasion of Liurnia, perhaps while she was still "friends" with the Hornsent, who would have wanted this ancestral ally of the Fire Giants done away with. Once the whole of the Lands Between were pacified (bar the now veiled Lands of Shadow) she exiled Godfrey and his warriors (both a cruel exile and a gift), called on Messmer to purge to Hornsent, veiled the entire region (ripping it from the bedrock of the continent...) and chose a new Elden Lord, swapping Conan the Barbarian for a more civilized, "proper" lord in Radagon.

Messssmer is Messssed up

Messmer being born without grace is something I never thought about, the thought never crossed my mind, nice catch man

Amazing video

Very well put! I feel like at some point Messmer may have figured out the reason why he was really there. I just don't think he was ever able to admit it to himself until his dying breath. But I think deep down, he always knew the reason he was not able to return and told himself the same lie Marika did as the only way to move forward. We also despise that in others that which we loathe in ourselves. He couldn't rid himself of his darkness, but could erase the darkness of others from the world. Such a complex character. During his boss fight, I felt a wide range of polarizing emotions. He has quickly become my favorite boss in any FromSoft game. Bravo!

Not sure if other people see this, but Messmer's overall design is very similar to the famous painting of Archangel Michael with the Spear of Destiny piercing the Devil. The style similarities of the armors, the fact that he uses a spear, bibically the first Archangel/Demigod Child of Marika, and the element that is most associated with Archangel Michael is FIRE. In a way, Messmer became the devil himself, fire and brimstone and all for his "Mother", and was ultimately abandoned. You either die a hero, or live long enough to become a villain. I believe we need to realize that the "grace" that was used to seal Messmer's Base Serpent is similar to the idea of "Grace" in the lands between. And with the idea that grace usually is a concept of a god giving something like a favor, ultimately, to serve their own goals. It can be giveth, and taketh away all the same. Ultimately, I believe Elden Ring is basically a Divine Tragedy of the concept of "the devil's path is riddled with good intentions", devil not literally used, but symbolically.

Good video, but right off the bat, Messmer isn't a demi-god.

This indeed a sad character with such complexity This Messmer is the Ivory King of Elden Ring but such tragedy including his death This is a F in the chat moment This is depressing indeed You did so well capturing his character man it's fantastic too you deserved my sub

Melena and Mesmer really were shunned because of their fire powers and when Marika needed them the most, she couldn't call back to them. Also, I heard theories that Marika sealed the abyssal snake in Mesmer to eat his flame away and avoid having her tree burned, probably during the era of peace there was at the start of Marika's reign.

What a beautiful video that embodies EVERYTHING I thought about him as i played the game and the rage I felt on his behalf after having to kill him and reading his remembrance. Amazing work, bravo sir 👏 ❤🔥❤

Ur criminally underrated… leaving this comment so that when u blow up I have proof that I was here from the start

I believe Godrick lived in Stormveil Castle before the siege of Leyndell. He joined forces with Radahn as his army marched through the castle on the way to Leyndell. When the battle turned against Radahn, Godrick used the veil he stole to flee, adding to his embarrassment as a coward. This is why his castle is full of exile soldiers and banished knights instead of Godrick’s own forces we see in Limgrave, because Godrick shunned his army for failing at Leyndell.

One of my fav characters in the game

🤣So Godfrey Gave King Allant The Boot.

all you ever achieve in this world/game is just destruction. to become elden lord you have to kill everything in your path, take their essence. so when you finally become elden lord, there is nobody to rule over. a sad state of affairs just as proclaimed.

I really enjoyed godrick as a boss.

Mimic Veil let's you assume the form of an object. Godrick used it to become a woman. Does this mean women are objects in the Lands Between?

I don’t remember where I saw it, but I’m subscribing to the theory that our tarnished is an abandoned child of Marika born in a mausoleum. Our power is we’re a terminator. We don’t quit. Not saying it’s right, but it’s poetic and makes sense.

I had to let Elden Ring sit a little, so I was way behind and trying to avoid spoilers, but try as I might I kept seeing references to the Mimic tear. All I saw was video titles etc, but it was obvious this mimic tear (ash) was OP, this that and the other. When I found the mimic veil, I thought I had found what everyone was raving about and was confused when I used it in a boss fight, turned into a crate and got insta-killed regardless.