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@sharonmurphy2445
@sharonmurphy2445 21 күн бұрын
I had the same problem with my 2011 Ford Explorer!! No power steering, rack and pinion lossed! They also, mentioned about the catalyst converter, tires and brakes!! Ford wanted to charge me $3700 to fix! It was NOT covered under a recall or a warranty!!
@ericgustin3386
@ericgustin3386 23 күн бұрын
Not a recall. Its under customer satisfaction. Thats why they can put a 10 year and 150000 mile time limit on it. Fords way of giving the middle finger right in the hoohah.
@patantler9362
@patantler9362 Ай бұрын
Thank you for this video. I'm sorry for the reason you educated yourself & difficulty dealing with Ford. Did you get a settlement?
@bk1468
@bk1468 11 күн бұрын
Best settlement was disposing of Ford vehicle and never having to worry again about Ford product killing family. Experience of having vehicle forcibly steer itself off road was terrifying. Still think about the many times my wife drove vehicle alone with young children in back.
@skotwilt
@skotwilt Ай бұрын
my 2010 fusion is currently in the shop.. an $1800 job
@markthomas9703
@markthomas9703 Ай бұрын
Ford pinto Ford electric steering hall of shame.
@markthomas9703
@markthomas9703 Ай бұрын
Fantastic electronic engineer
@mufasa473
@mufasa473 Ай бұрын
Excellent and thorough video. Thank you for the hard work investigating this and then providing that info to the masses.
@PhoenixPotato
@PhoenixPotato 2 ай бұрын
Summary?😊
@justinwatch
@justinwatch 2 ай бұрын
180 degrees Fahrenheit is not going to hurt electronics because the engine runs at 200 to 220 degrees and it has electronics all over it with low air flow. Can a cheap poorly under designed driver motor burn up, that I believe! They need to redesign it with heavier duty parts. Ford should be raising an eyebrow at TRW but that has throws reminiscent of the Ford Firestone debacle back in the late 90s early 2000s. Just like Toyota's outsourced accelerator pedals sticking.
@bk1468
@bk1468 2 ай бұрын
EPAS PCB's not grade-0 (automotive) qualified. Implementation not possible using grade-0 due to complexity and sheer number/scope of IC's. Ford opted to place non grade-0 electronics inside sealed/cooled aluminum enclosure (via air ducting from lower engine shield); results apparent in millions of failed EPAS modules.
@wazup3333
@wazup3333 2 ай бұрын
Everyone needs to file a complaint easily online with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration so they can force a recall.
@jaimealanis9420
@jaimealanis9420 3 ай бұрын
What a piece of shit Ford
@wazup3333
@wazup3333 2 ай бұрын
Absolute garbage
@shaikhosama1
@shaikhosama1 5 ай бұрын
Also guys, these steering boxes are not water proof or even water resistant. They welcome outside water as if you have invited someone for a dinner party !
@shaikhosama1
@shaikhosama1 5 ай бұрын
At one hand every one is being forced to recycle as much as we can, meanwhile ford is forcing us to throw away an expensive part due to frying of a bunch of capacitors. No wonder why they need huge government bailouts, while their intentions are pretty clear from this video.
@wazup3333
@wazup3333 2 ай бұрын
I hate these scum corporations
@ramseyramsey-b3e
@ramseyramsey-b3e 5 ай бұрын
You would have thought these auto companies would have learned how to make a reliable car by now.
@sierraromeo
@sierraromeo 5 ай бұрын
My neighbors 2011 Flex steering motor make a buzzing sound, when steered. It is locked up most of the time. Would guess that the motor is getting 1 or two phases of AC from the controller?
@sierraromeo
@sierraromeo 5 ай бұрын
Normally, a brushless motor needs three phase AC to run.
@Springfield1225
@Springfield1225 5 ай бұрын
This is one of the best part analysis and explanations I've ever seen on here dude. Wow.
@Chiefgeargrinder
@Chiefgeargrinder 6 ай бұрын
Same happened to me. Inside by the Electric Motor where that internal belt is, that bottom roller (internal pulley) that he belts is connected to, that bottom roller has bearings and on mine the bearings are worn making a rubbing noise while turning. My thought is putting some header heat rap over that cat to keep the heat off of it.
@brjones27
@brjones27 6 ай бұрын
Happened to my 2019 fusion. Ford has no interest in fixing this. Oh, and it's 5,000 to fix at the dealership.
@Chiefgeargrinder
@Chiefgeargrinder 6 ай бұрын
5000 to fix the rack and pinion??
@brjones27
@brjones27 6 ай бұрын
@@Chiefgeargrinder Yep. 2k for the part, 3k in labor.
@Chiefgeargrinder
@Chiefgeargrinder 6 ай бұрын
@@brjones27 Definitely shop around. Go to repairpal in google search (not allowed to post links) get a an estimate and a list of shops will come up. I got quoted for 2500 and I thought that was Bad for a ford Taurus S.H.O and some shops give a 24K Warranty with their work. I got to get mine done sux...but no way 5K for that.
@Chiefgeargrinder
@Chiefgeargrinder 6 ай бұрын
​@brjones27 I just looked up yours off of detriot axle website $ 427.00 with a lifetime warranty mines 812.00 Something fishy with dealers.
@brjones27
@brjones27 6 ай бұрын
@@Chiefgeargrinder Yea, I saw that one too. But I need to take it somewhere, and mechanics often like to pick the parts they install.
@sirhule291
@sirhule291 7 ай бұрын
Got a 2018 ford edge did the same. You don't even have manual steering. They needed this recalled
@johnstinson4026
@johnstinson4026 7 ай бұрын
Can this apply to a 2020 Ford Transit 350 heavy duty electric steering ?
@creekwoodjoe1607
@creekwoodjoe1607 7 ай бұрын
My 2012 Fusion sedan completely lost power steering in the parking lot two weeks after purchase. The dealer replaced 2,000 dollars in components and labor for no charge.
@dressdenblack
@dressdenblack 8 ай бұрын
Just another prime example of junk technology finding a solution for something that worked fine to begin with.
@brandonyafanaro9710
@brandonyafanaro9710 9 ай бұрын
My fusion 2012 sel was taken to a shop for “service advancetrac” “service power steering” code. They said it was rack and pinion, so I shoveled out $1400, two weeks later and tonight my power steering went out again!
@monkeysun6588
@monkeysun6588 9 ай бұрын
My 2016 Ford explorer lost power steering wheel with steering assist fault/service advanceTrac/Hill start assist not available/Terrain management system fault last week,I may need to go into a battle with Ford next week after new year holiday.
@brandonyafanaro9710
@brandonyafanaro9710 9 ай бұрын
My 2012 fusion just had rack and pinion replaced bc of the power steering service messages . $1400 and 2 weeks later I’m getting the same messages and no power steering
@monkeysun6588
@monkeysun6588 9 ай бұрын
The issues found today at Ford dealer,rodents chewed 6 wires related to those error messages,dealer charged me $900 CAD for diagnosis and re-wiring。
@brandonyafanaro9710
@brandonyafanaro9710 9 ай бұрын
@@monkeysun6588 woww
@brandonyafanaro9710
@brandonyafanaro9710 9 ай бұрын
@@monkeysun6588 my shop just told me they didn’t reprogram my new parts bc they didn’t see that it needed it. So now i have to take it to ford Friday and pay another 200$
@kubahami4077
@kubahami4077 9 ай бұрын
Based what you discovered I have to tell you that you are 110% right... It happened to my 2016 ford taurus and i noticed it happened in summer time during Hot days... After clearing codes it went back to working order ( really weird stuff) . It happened 3 times already with the same outcome... I smale something over heating like burn stuff and than boom .. steering goes down.. clear codes back to normal... I have chavy cars for many years... but Fors what a failure... if not steering overheating than PTU over heating and stinks like cooking gas ( rotten eggs) ... ford has lot of problems
@anthonygaby6617
@anthonygaby6617 10 ай бұрын
I have 2010 Ford Fusion and had this happen just last week on way home...This is definitely a safety issue and Ford has no concern for public safety..Mind you this car has had 12 different recalls...on various items including gas tank, throttle control module..NHTSA NEEDS TO BRING THESE ISSUES TO LIGHT AND HOLD FORD RESPONSIBLE..
@ConleyProduction
@ConleyProduction 11 ай бұрын
Did you know theres a drive belt that shreds?
@bk1468
@bk1468 11 ай бұрын
Large timing belt couples rack worm-gear to drive motor pulley. As with any belt, wear inevitable over time. Not aware this belt causing failures, of course belt likely to outlast other failure-prone EPAS components. Belt in my failed EPAS unit was inspected and appeared in pristine condition. One may question why wear-prone belt and amazingly complex electric servo system would replace simple and reliable hydraulic valve. Of course this is due to need for all-electric drive systems in EV's. Ford just implemented dirt-poor design and stayed course in spite of failures in the millions. Any Ford owner experiencing EPAS and other failures will never purchase another Ford product. 10 years ago Ford was $100B company, today Ford worth about half that.
@wazup3333
@wazup3333 2 ай бұрын
​@@bk1468most reliable pickup up truck in your opinion?
@MrDanielmarlowe
@MrDanielmarlowe 11 ай бұрын
Mine went out in my F150 no warning and I was in a very dangerous situation. If I wasn’t just starting out slowly it could have wrecked and killed me…
@distortedregulation
@distortedregulation Жыл бұрын
3 minutes in...I was thinking this guy has to be an electrical engineer. I've never come across anyone on any video, so well spoken and as confident with descriptive nomenclature. Although Ford, like most large corporations, give zero fucks, great assessment and diagnosis.
@voosum
@voosum 9 ай бұрын
bingo he said so at 6mins in
@mavicaerials8825
@mavicaerials8825 Жыл бұрын
It would take a lawsuit to get it but it would be eye opening to see the DFMEA documents for this steering unit.
@BobCorso-r3x
@BobCorso-r3x Жыл бұрын
I have a 2012 f150 xlt 3.5l twin turbos power steering failure. It costs me $1943.00 to replace the rak and pinion at a local shop.
@michaelsaunders5817
@michaelsaunders5817 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the deep investigation- your correct on everything. 2016 ford explorer police interceptor-owner. Power steering acting weird- I am knowing it’s expensive
@MrDanielmarlowe
@MrDanielmarlowe 11 ай бұрын
You won’t know until it fails it gives very little warning.
@guardianangel9517
@guardianangel9517 Жыл бұрын
I know NOTHING about cars except getting oil changes, rotating tires, and getting my car checked out on occasion. My 2012 Ford Focus has the power steering failure msg come on occasionally, and it takes all my strength to turn the wheel. Then I start it another place, and it's back to normal...? My mechanic didn't catch it WHEN it happened, so he couldn't explain it. With my arthritis and torn shoulder, I'm scared something BAD is going to happen😯 No more Fords for me😠
@harrycallahan8573
@harrycallahan8573 Жыл бұрын
Heat and electronics don't play well together.
@amypotts1873
@amypotts1873 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2009 ford flex and same situation. It would seem. Are they made with the same power steering system?
@drindy5166
@drindy5166 Жыл бұрын
Top notch video... 6yrs later, here I am with a 2014 Ford Fusion... thought I was a dead man for sure as I lost steering during in town driving. I am furious that this was even a possible thing. Doubt there is a recall but I am going to hope that Ford is willing to deal with this issue. Hope all is well brother! 👊🧡👍
@brandonyafanaro9710
@brandonyafanaro9710 9 ай бұрын
Yeah good luck, my 2012 Sel is not covered for recall or anything . 1600 later and it broke again
@timnowlin1
@timnowlin1 8 ай бұрын
After 150k ford will touch it most time get buy clearing code change our tps sensor or front tires also male sure battery is very good not weak batter also you can take both cables off the cat for hour or 2 make sure tie both of them touching. Have 2011 model. Done everything 😅😅 what help me was I took the battery out one day replacing it with agm battery and decide try tie both together. And at had problems with it long long time that was at 180k miles am at 268k miles. Hole time had this car that only major problems had with it they are great great vechles. Only year I'll buy is 2011. 2012 models mabe 2013. 2014 and Up has bad transmission problems not one time I had any problems out the motor beside change starter one time oil changes ... I have 2011 sel 2.0 or 2.5. Live find the s Verizon if any one has s model like to sell let me know love also if was stick shift
@jackdough8164
@jackdough8164 Жыл бұрын
Geez this is even worse than the escapes from this time period. At least those are usually just that little torque sensor under the dash. I love my escape but I absolutely hate Ford. Mine died for about a week before I could get a chance to change the sensor and it was almost like the motor would fight me every quarter turn when it wasn’t working. I’m 6’2 and 200 lbs of muscle and I had to use all my strength and weight to steer that thing. I can not fathom how they don’t have to recall every vehicle with their failure prone epas systems. If it was a smaller person who wasn’t as strong as me or an older lady or gentleman I could only see that going mid turn and not causing an accident by pure luck and miracle. It’s absolutely pathetic quality
@amypotts1873
@amypotts1873 Жыл бұрын
I completely understand your concern and question myself why not do the right thing. I'm an ox of a woman and I can't barely. Like I felt a verge of a heart attack trying to turn the damn thing when mine stopped properly working.
@jackdough8164
@jackdough8164 Жыл бұрын
@@amypotts1873 yea can you imagine some poor little 80 year old lady having that happen to them! It’s absolutely absurd
@rogerwatson5995
@rogerwatson5995 Жыл бұрын
Good Ol Ford won't stand behind it What do you do?
@sunnyboy6555
@sunnyboy6555 Жыл бұрын
Update 2011 Lincoln Mkt 3.5L Ecoboost, Canada edition. The second Epas steering unit in my vehicle that Ford installed was a refurbished unit. I found out from a service rep that Ford will replace the Epas unit with a rebuilt unit if you do not specifically tell them you want a new unit. The refurbished unit costs more than the new unit and the warranty is only for three (3) months. A new unit cost a few hundred dollars less but the warranty is for two (2) years. One year and five (5) months later the second refurbished Epas unit failed. I replaced it with a third epas unit and filed a formal complaint with Ford Canada. These Epas units are expensive. After a battle back and forth, I received a Partial settlement of $1500 CDN. The payment was voucher check, not cash which means you have to spend it at Ford. I needed a few more repairs on the lincoln so I used part of the voucher check on the repairs. On paying the bill, the service manager told me to contact ford for the balance of the check (@$375), since the repair cost did not use the full amount of the check. The next week ford contacted me saying the fine print stated the the full amount of the voucher check must be used as no cash is refund allowed. They gave me an option, the balanced could be transfered to the "Lincoln Loyalty Program" if I signed up. I red the program previously (like reading a noval), and turned it down. 2015 ford vehicles and above under the program are tracted by ford, interesting? My Lincoln has 102k easy mi. Is in great shape yet has cost a small fortune in mechanical repairs, not particularly reliable or trouble free. From experience, I do not feel that ford loyaly treats me so why would I? Looking for a Toyota for my next vehicle. Check Consumes Report "Best Car Ratings" I will submit my complaint with the Canada BBB.
@drindy5166
@drindy5166 Жыл бұрын
Totally feel your pain... that is a whole lot of Fk around... terrible business practice. May you have better fortune with the choices ahead. I look at a vehicle and yt the hell out of it by searching top 5-10 issues, so I know in advance what is coming my way in due time lol 👊🧡👍
@monkeysun6588
@monkeysun6588 9 ай бұрын
I am going to fix my 2016 Ford explorer (power steering assist fault)and sell it to buy a Japanese car too
@donnaphillips7600
@donnaphillips7600 Жыл бұрын
Can you advise me or can I contact you. I have a 2012 ford explorer. I have experienced a power steering assist failure. The dealership said the warranty given gor the recall has expired . We are really stuck. They are asking 3000 dollars for repair
@bk1468
@bk1468 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately there is little you can do as consumer. Your experience is typical to millions of Ford EPAS owners experiencing identical failure. Ford has never acknowledged nature of engineering design flaw, and taken no responsibility for selling millions of faulty EPAS units since 2008. Most consumers pay for repairs then liquidate vehicle, others purchase discounted EPAS units (ebay and others) then replace units via local shop or themselves. Remember how you were handled by Ford when considering purchase of new vehicle. Most consumers whom have experienced Ford products and customer service have vowed never to own another Ford product, myself and entire family included.
@izzmire1
@izzmire1 Жыл бұрын
Don't buy another Ford
@eqbobyboucher
@eqbobyboucher Жыл бұрын
Same fucking boat here! Bought it used the old owner didn't get the recall and now ford says we're sol as it was only covered under extended warrantyand not an endless recall ! Never again!
@drindy5166
@drindy5166 Жыл бұрын
@@eqbobyboucher considering I almost lost my life driving tonight to this issue, it is beyond terrible that this issue is even allowed to continue. I myself am so enraged right now and at a loss as to how to move on in my current situation. I can definitely relate 👊🤬👍
@MichaelCarsey-lg8hs
@MichaelCarsey-lg8hs Жыл бұрын
B Smith - I had a similar issue in a 2013 Fusion Hybrid. I relaced the steering gear with a remanufactured steering gear (Fords price point forced me to reman) and it works, but intermittently. When the car is stopped the assisted steering gear seems to shut off and I loose all EAPS, its not until I travel a few feet that it turn back on and functions as it should. I've tried using FORScan to reset all modules and that works while the car remains stationary, but as soon as I start to drive, it reverts back to working intermittently. It seems like a communication issue between the PCM and PSCM but I'm not entirely sure on this. Any suggestions?
@greasemonkeybd
@greasemonkeybd Жыл бұрын
I have a 2011 fusion with 95k miles and no power steering but 11 years from delivery date and ford said no warranty for me.
@guardianangel9517
@guardianangel9517 Жыл бұрын
🤔sounds like Ford SUCKS
@benefieldharcourt8276
@benefieldharcourt8276 Жыл бұрын
excellent
@mrs.sockeysenglishclass2928
@mrs.sockeysenglishclass2928 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2014 Ford Flex with this issue, and it is not included in the recall - which makes no sense, since the recall occurred in 2015, but does not include the 2014 model.
@Bavitsi
@Bavitsi 2 ай бұрын
That’s us, ours is a 2014 as well. This happened first on vacation winding roads and mountains. Scary 💩 Ford said can’t find anything. I think they know damn well and we’re all collateral damage. When it happens, if I turn off the car it goes straight back to how it is supposed to be. Now it’s happened this week about three times. We’re supposed to leave on vacation to that Mountain Curvy Road again.
@dennisavant2833
@dennisavant2833 Жыл бұрын
Thank u.
@hosocat1410
@hosocat1410 Жыл бұрын
This is BS. Abolish EPA!!
@Ross_Embossed
@Ross_Embossed Жыл бұрын
Are you kidding? How did the EPA force Ford to act suspiciously criminal in their failure to disclose Failure Investigations? #NHTSA
@3nigma.3nc
@3nigma.3nc 11 ай бұрын
@@Ross_Embossed Bud, he meant EPAS..............
@sunnyboy6555
@sunnyboy6555 2 жыл бұрын
I own a 2011 Lincoln AWD, MKT 3.5L Ecoboost. Last year I replaced a failed front transfer case with the new Ford modified "C" unit. I also had a failed electric power steering unit replaced, after the steering wheel almost jerked out of my hands going into a left turn. The power steering was dead. After CAA towed it to the ford dealer the unit was replaced in April 2021, however l had to return to the ford dealership four times for adjustments on the steering unit and 4 wheel alignment. Still the problem persisted as the power assist warning light would cause an alarm and light bracking on left turns. Ford could not fix the problem so i did not permit mhy wife to drive the Lincoln for concern for her safty. Last week September 2022, one year and five mouths after the first replacement of the electric steering unit, the electric steering failed a second time as I was pulling out of a parking lot with my wife in the car. She had to assist me in making the right turn. The ford dealership happened to be down the street so I drove it back to them and had them drive us home. The next day I was informed that the lincoln needed another $2,800 electric steering unit and ford would not pay. My 2011 lincoln MKT is currently under a manufacturers safety recall in the USA and Canada. However, ford told the dealership that they will not replace the defective unit as they placed a three month warranty on the steering unit. I have filed a formal complaint with Ford Canada and wait for there reply. (28 September 2022).
@bk1468
@bk1468 2 жыл бұрын
Ford has defrauded consumers for years. Your experience is typical and repeated many times over for others posting Ford fraudulent EPAS activities. Ford has established network of specialists including engineers, attorneys, and customer service representatives specifically to evade and repulse customer complaints involving flawed EPAS system failures. Ford engineering and management are acutely aware of EPAS engineering deficiencies, and subsequently developed well maintained plan to defraud customers by actually pulling profit on EPAS repairs. NHTSA is no-show as consumer vehicle safety agency. Fact that EPAS failures are dangerous seems to be of no concern since no one has been killed yet. Or perhaps someone has, and incident has been 'handled' like the Ford Pinto investigation (conducted by Ford). Your best option is to cut losses and stay away from Ford products. EPAS failure could have harmed you or family, do not trust repaired EPAS system. Ford will levy ton of pain and frustration if you pursue warranty repairs.
@David_Mash
@David_Mash 2 жыл бұрын
Seems the bearing on the rack pulley from the motor is what fails
@rickslaughter8795
@rickslaughter8795 2 жыл бұрын
My 2013 ford taurus has exactly the same issue. Failed while driving and had to get it towed home . Called Ford Canada and the reply was. there is no recall for your vehicle.My car is 2 months past the recall.Ford won't do a damn thing for me. But here is the strange thing,I disconnected my battery for 24 hrs.hooked up battery and now everything works.Still don't trust it. has anyone else experience the same by disconnecting battery?
@bk1468
@bk1468 2 жыл бұрын
Ford once recommended disconnecting battery at dealer to solve problem. Worked well to deflect and delay warranty claim replacement. This action also clouded disposition; prompting many to believe problem only software related. Power cycle only resets fault parameters, complete failure pending. Ford also changed software to hide faults from consumers, then voided warranty once software update was implemented at servicing dealer. Later, after full EPAS failure; warranty service refused sighting prior software fix. Your steering system is at most hazardous phase; pending catastrophic failure. Keep both hands on wheel at all times, no joke... Will cost $2-3K for repairs, keep in mind Ford has not corrected thermal issues in any way, new EPAS will fail; some sooner, others later. Meanwhile Ford has made tons of cash charging millions of consumers for repairs that should have been recalled and corrected back in 2010.
@ryansig8634
@ryansig8634 2 жыл бұрын
Let me know bro shit ain't right.