Maybe need to change up the title then lol

Yeah this was genuinely just an accident lol. It’s because of the way the drivers are set up, it made it so what I was monitoring sounded different

I said 7 frame grab in the video the whole time though?

What did you test it on?

I'd put zero credence to that test if you were doing it with wireless headphones. Also a lot of online reaction tests aren't well made.

Ie it wouldn't matter if Sheik is on a platform because the extra travel time isn't the issue

First off, unfortunately yeah the way you’re calculating things isn’t right. You don’t add +5 (assuming frame 5 is the first reactable frames Instead in this case, the equation would be 26-4 (you didn’t react until frame 5 so those first 4 frames are wasted) which leaves you with 22. Then you subtract 7 for grab startup. 22-7 =15 frames. For reference, Fox tech in place is also 26 frames, so a 26 frame tech in place alone wouldn’t be an issue. The problem though is if you input the same info with a tech roll animation, which takes 40 frames, you also have to cover the long distance she travels. So if you realize she’s tech rolling on frame 5, yes you get an extra 14 frames from her 40 frame roll, but now you’d also have to cover that distance in 14 frames (which characters can’t do). In both of these cases, frame 5 as a reaction point also might be optimistic. I’m away on vacation right now but the reaction visual might be more like frame 7 But if that distance was much smaller, then suddenly that 14 frame travel time doesn’t exist! Or maybe it’s only like, 5 frames of travel time and there’s still a good amount of leeway. Basically what matters is the difference in distinguishing her tech in place from the roll. Typically the way you’d tech chase is you’d assume tech in place, then when that’s not happening you’d then cover the rolls. But if you follow that method against Sheik, you won’t be able to cover the travel time because of the initial frames that it takes you to distinguish which tech she is doing

Might accidentally be double replying because somehow I do not see my earlier reply. You say Sheik is differentiable at frame 7 (there is no discontinuity), which I am to lazy to check. That makes the calculation: 26f - 6f, then -7f grab start up, = 13f. That's not reactable. I personally can react to Fox tech rolls fairly consistently, despite not practicing RTC, so I'm probably reacting on frame 20 or later (I can 3f jab TiP reliably but not 6f moves).

Yeah I’m pretty sure I got it off of reddit or something. I just googled fox tech animation and eventually I found it

Was going for a Spider-Man spider verse thing but fair lmao

Do you think him and falco Lombardi have explored each others bodies?

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I think they've explored each other's buildings.

Something very important missing from your 15 frame calculation is Melee's natural input lag. Every game has some amount of input lag, from Street Fighter 5's notorious 8 frames, to Melee's much more reasonable 4 frames (it actually fluctuates around 3.6-5.0 due to polling drift, but 4 is a decent estimate). This is why you will generally have better reaction times on something like Human Benchmark than in the Uncle Punch reaction tester. This means that 19 frames would be a much better target to determine if something is reactable. It also means that your window for reacting to something will be universally shifted depending on what game you're playing. For example, you can react to more options in Melee compared to Ultimate due to the lower input lag. I don't know if anyone has yet researched Rivals 2's input lag.

This isn’t really true. Melee has some input lag but in the context of this example we are accounting for that. If you test in uncle punch, which has the same input lag melee always does, I’m able to consistently hit 14-15. I agree that the rivals input lag might need more analysis but it is not as simple as just assuming 19 frames instead at all. The other evidence of this is that there are people who are able to react to things that are well under a 15 frame window. If the delay was truly 19 frames, people hitting like 12-13 frame reaction times wouldn’t be so common among pros

I definitely agree that people can hit sub 19f reactions, because most people have a reaction time well under 250ms. The average gamer is probably closer to 200ms, and people like Moky have done tests on stream and hit ~170ms. I just want to clarify that if your reaction time is 250ms, you won't be able to react to 15f, at least in Melee.

That’s totally fair. Expect more melee videos in the future!

I’ve been doing it for about 4 years now! It’s been a great learning experience

Done!

@@Radarssbm thank you!

Basically comes with experience. Over time you know what happens in a given situation because you've seen it so many times. For example, when Fox up-throws a Puff, she just knows up-air is the next step, so they use survival DI to try to survive the hit. High level DI/SDI is just "they're probably gonna do this" taken to an extreme level!

I’ve actually published several videos since April! Expect more soon !