She's a petty, small minded person, who will exercise any small amount of power she has over other people, simply to make herself feel powerful, rather than for any other larger reason.

Actually, i cannot see Mary in STEM. She has opinions that she wanna share. Yeah, she's not a social butterfly but she was having a phase about hating social things and parties. She was really like to getting listened by others. She could be in artistry, philosophy or maybe religion themed jobs. What people forget about Mary is that she loves the audience. When you said that she wouldn't be in sociology, I think she would be in there too. We know that she loves too lecture people about these things too.

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I see Jane working as a a pediatrician. Lizzie ... politics? Some kind of academia where she would fight for her thesis. Maybe Psychology. Mary, the mean librarian, or a social worker, trying to do good, Kitty. A model, something in fashion, maybe she has a shop, designs or is a stylist.

I am currently reading Mansfield Park and struggling to get through it. Not because of Fanny Price. I actually understand her and am rooting for her growth in confidence. After being put down and told and treated as inferior, I am hoping she grows the confidence in herself and her opinions and insights. I am noticing she is as she is holding on to her opinions on Henry Crawford despite what others tell her she should believe. Her main challenge is shaking off the inferior brandmark her family has forced upon her, and for her, it is an inner process rather than an outer one, which makes sense. She is an introvert, so what she believes about herself is more important to her than showing everyone she is worthy by marrying the most eligible bachelor in England. What bores me in the book is the era. Their conversations are boring, for me. For example, conversations about the improvement of gardens or whether a girl should be quiet and falsely modest or not before she comes out. Pages are written about the subjects and they bore me. But also, I'm not familiar with the thinking of the era, so I'm not quite sure what everyone's opinion says about them. What seems perfectly reasonable to me might not have been in that era. It bores me that so many chapters are written about a play that never happens (even though it has an important impact on the characters). As it comes across for me, it is a story about young people who don't work and do useless things in the abundance of time they have. Despite all that, I am determined to finish the book.

If only you held up each version i had no idea what was going on

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I actually find that Fanny Price is as you said the most interesting and my favorite heroine out of all her heroines. She remains a constant source of inspiration in my own life to keep your standards and self respect and not to accept anyone else who takes interest in you that you feel is not worthy - such as her interaction with Henry Crawford. I personally have gone through similar such in my life when I was dating my husband and I had other guys, and worse younger guys, try to flirt with me - even after knowing I was spoken for. I will say that the one thing that concerns me about Fanny and Edmund, besides their being cousins (eww), is the fact that Edmund wanted to be a clergy man. Now, on the face of it, it doesn't sound bad - its not like he's a Rhett Butler or Henry Crawford type - but the problem with him is that given what was going on in that period in England at the time of the story and when Jane wrote it, it actually is more concerning because essentially he would have become a false teacher of a false church and there are at times unChristian behavior demonstrated by both Edmund AND his family and even with Fanny, which makes them hypocritical at times. I think Edmund would have been more likable if he instead said he wanted to be a doctor (like in Charles Dickens work "Bleak House") or was a miller, or something less controversial. I also think it would have been nice to have Fanny not be a hypocrite at times but one may argue that shows her as human - she is flawed and commits sins, etc. She certainly isn't righteous and to be honest, none of the characters in Jane Austen's works are. With that said, Fanny is more closer to my personality because I've experienced being the black sheep in the family and been ostracized and dismissed and mocked at for having different views so that I turned more inwardly than outwardly but unlike Fanny, when I'm around people who do truly obey God and who are respectful and courteous and have similiar views, I tend to be more of my natural self - more open, friendly, helpful, loving, etc. In some ways, Fanny is actually a good reminder for girls not to give up their self-respect so readily, like Maria did. I also think that the men in "Mansfield Park", especially Edmund's father, his brother Tom Bertram, and Henry Crawford are cautionary warnings about how not to treat women. Henry in particular is up there with some of the most loathsome characters in Austen's literature (along with his sister Mary) though he does start to have the potential to reform but ultimately, he choses to chase after a married woman and assists her in ruining her own reputation and life. In that sense, the book is interesting because it shows the downsides of wanting to vy after something that you shouldn't - although one can definitely argue and prove that happened as well in "Sense and Sensibility". I'm actually one of those few who don't like Colonel Brandon or Fitzwilliam Darcy at all, in spite of the immature fan girls who try to defend their own morally hypocritical characters. If there is any male character written by Jane Austen that I genuinely feel any empathy for, its Henry Tilney from "Northanger Abbey", though even he is not perfect and teases the heroine, for which isn't the best of behaviors. In all, I still prefer "Mansfield Park" any day over "Pride and Prejudice" or "Sense and Sensibility" - though if I had to pick my favourite Austen novel overall, I would say that's "Northanger Abbey".

I actually had more of a problem with Northanger Abbey, getting through it that is, bc that one feels most bland. Fanny may feel a wet rag, but wet rags also has rights, and she turns out to be a stubborn mule in the end. Modern people may find her sanctimonious, but the fact that she gets treated so badly for being good and humble the way she was supposed to, probably was quite a thing. Edmund is interesting in his crush and self deception, he is quite human, not a blank canvas to project our own ideals on.

Fanny knows how to pick her fights. Morals matter to her more than her personal rights. I find that very admirable.

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Unpopular opinion: I was actually rooting for Fanny and Mr. Rushworth to become a couple! The way she sat and waited with him at the gate when everyone else deserted him, and then helped him with his lines; I felt they both had a connection as being the undesirables in the group! A friendship could have gone beyond and blossomed to romance!

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Just out of interest what if everything is dependent on interpretation? In other words, what if the truths as we know them are not incorrect. But rather the same story seen from a different perspective. Take your comments about the other heroes and their quests. Yes, they were all successful in their quests. But, one of the things I actually did like about the Disney interpretation, be it true or false and who knows anyway right? But they didn’t glorify Hercules because of his accomplishments in his quests. In fact, there’s a scene where Hercules speaks to his father Zeus and says when do I get to join you on mount olympus, I’ve done everything you asked. And Zeus says yes you’ve done good, but it’s not quite what makes you a real hero. In other words, there is a deeper meaning to the real quest at hand that Hercules is being asked to undertake. And in the end that’s what makes him a god again and allows him to join them on mount Olympus. I know what you mean about there being many differences in the Hercules story and there is. But that particular interpretation that they put in it I actually thought was a good touch because regardless it still sends a good message and more importantly, I think that particular part is widely left open anyway. I think you could easily reach a very similar or close conclusion and it not really have to damage any of the other perspectives. I like how passionate you get about it, I would certainly like to pick your brain for a little while, I think I would find that very interesting. Certainly would grip me to talk to someone who is as passionate about what they read as you are. Even if we didn’t agree at the end, I think I would still love every bit of it 😉

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Good girl reforms bad boy had supposedly been done before Austen with Samuel Richardson's Pamela. I say supposedly because at the time there were a set of readers who saw the titular heroine as highly manipulative not a really good girl just a very clever one who knew how to play her hand to get a ring on it. So alt interpretations and death of the author are also older than you might think. Sir Thomas Bertram is also responsible for Maria's disgrace because another big reason she married Mr James Rushworth was to get away from him. He was both far too strict and dictatorial but he also didn't teach his kids especially his daughters any real morality. They were the inverse of Darcy's education they had good manners and charm but they weren't given good principles or the education that encouraged them to develop them rather than have them imposed upon them.

Great list! Speaking of dystopias, have you heard of 'CronoRevolution'? It's a mind-bending tale set in a future where freedom is an illusion. Definitely worth checking out if you're into stories about resistance and survival!

I read this book for the first time months ago and I liked it, I’ve read all of Jane Austen’s work and I do prefer her other books over Mansfield park. I really liked Fanny as a character which is an unpopular opinion, but I find her very relatable. I also enjoy the side characters such as the Crawford’s, I think they’re very entertaining. Edmund was a bit of a dud, he was insufferable in my opinion and he didn’t deserve to be with Fanny, also the fact Fanny and Edmund are first cousins grosses me out, it especially grosses me out because they essentially were raised together. Other than that, I really liked Mansfield park, I liked how different it was from Jane’s other novels. It’s not my favorite Austen novel, but I think that Mansfield Park doesn’t get enough credit. I really loved the complicated social dynamics too.

To answer your question, NO.Charlotte a much better match.😅

I have never read the novel, but I eagerly opine on the topic. In a word, Yes! It just makes sense. Mary is an avid reader and interested in the Fordyce's Sermons, (at least according to Jane in the 1995 BBC series adaptation). Mary is a great deal more intelligent and insightful than Mr. Collins and would have complemented him. She appears to have an obvious crush on, or interest in, Mr. Collins in the series, (maybe less obvious but implied in the 2005 movie adaptation). So maybe Mr. Collins would actually have been loved and admired by his wife instead of just endured and tolerated in order to gain personal security. (Maybe he would not have made her skin crawl in the marital bed.) And the main argument, Mr. Collins said that he wanted to choose a bride from amongst the Bennet sister in order to preserve good relations between the two branches of the family since their property was entailed upon him. If he had chosen Mary, who seemed more than willing, Longbourne would have thus, in effect, stayed in the Bennet family, which would have pleased everyone. Charlotte is a good sort, practical and a good friend, but maybe not crazy about her husband. Mary and Mr. Collins would have been happier together.

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you don´t seem to understand that Fanny couldn´t protest or demonstrate her unwillingness in any way, shape or form. She could be kicked out of the Mansfield park back to poverty and spend all the rest of her life caring for younger siblings or being married to some pennyless sailor. And I don´t think it could do her any good especially if we take into account ger problems with health

well, any minimally educated person won´t give a damn about Edmund being Fanny´s first cousin. Because everybody knows it was totally normal among upper clas of Regency era. You need to be a 7 year old child in order to even pay attention to this fact.

I think they would have made the best couple BECAUSE they are so similar. Collins was definitely shallow for going after the two pretty sisters first, but he later proposed to an unattractive Charlotte 2 years his senior, so appearance wasn't such an obstacle for him - he just wanted to get back at Elizabeth. Mrs. Bennet should have recommended Mary herself. I can't imagine Charlotte tolerating Collins' bootlicking and Catherine sticking her nose in every aspect of their lives for years. Collins' respect for his wife is tied to Catherine's respect for her; only someone naive could live with that fact and not despise her husband.

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It's like reading about a puppy being kicked over and over and over... and I don't see Edmund as 'kind'. He... doesn't ACTIVELY treat her badly.

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Social climbing Mr. Collins (AKA Vicar) was very happy to marry the eldest daughter of a Knight (Sir Lucas). This would appear to be a higher level in society than his own gentleman/clergy (and eventual) estate owner status. Lady Catherine was probably pleased with his choice and Charlotte Lucas Collins would be humble enough to bow to her ego.

People want modern female heroines to be butt-kicking and sassy. We believe Fanny isn't brave because she doesn't give Mrs. Norris a well-deserved rhetorical roundhouse kick. Fanny has quiet bravery. She is demeaned because of her status among her wealthier, spoilt cousins, verbally abused by Mrs. Norris, and neglected by Lady and Sir Bertram. She is a charity case and is not allowed to forget it. She expresses her lower status and gratitude with a life of service and self-denial for her family but refuses to be reduced morally. This refusal for moral degradation is labeled by modern readers as being "uptight" and "straight-laced," but being true to yourself, true to your principles, does not always mean some kind of let-your-hair-down liberation. It can be saying "no" when everyone around you, everyone you depend on, those above you in status, pressure you to say "yes." She is appreciated when her moral uprightness keeps her on the straight and narrow while Maria is ruined and Tom is almost ruined.

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I don’t think Willoughby had a heart. I think he had a victim complex. He’s was a very true-to-life narcissist and only loved himself. He seduced, impregnated and abandoned a vulnerable girl, jilted his girlfriend publicly, used gaslighting to make her look crazy, married a woman he actively despised for money, and then wanted to weep on Elenor’s shoulder about losing Marianne. The unmitigated gall places him as the actual worst suitor, IMO. Marginally, because Wickham could easily have done the same to Lydia with no qualms.

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There are places in modern US first cousins do legally marry.

Try and learn french, ain't that foreign to English!

So Mary really marrys Mr. Collins?

Hi, please, can you do the entire soliloquy? I really love the way you talk, (I am italian, but I love Hamlet and other Shakespeare 's masterpieces)..

I've read the Fahnestock and Macafee version twice and I can highly recommend it. I haven't read any other translation, I wonder if I should give a different translation a try the next time I read Les Miserables

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Mary's social graces were severely affected by constant unfavourable comparison with her sisters. If she has to be the plain, average one, she's at least going to be accomplished. Of course, trying to show off her accomplishments often went down poorly, but what a girl is to do with nothing else to recommend her? Funny enough, it was Kitty who eventually married a clergyman, and Mary settled with one of her uncle Phillips' clerks. It is clear, even in the book, that Mary considers Mrs Collins an acceptable match, although she thinks she could improve him still later. On paper, they are well suited. But Mary would not do well as a lady of a parsonage, working with people in the village and making nice with Lady Catherine. For all her outward self esteem isues, Mary does think highly of herself, and I don't think she would do well with opinionated Lady Catherine. Charlotte was more grounded, pragmatic, and able to read the room. Better prepared to economically run a household. Charlotte's match wasn't a love match, but something like a job opportunity. It was a career choice. And she knew what she was getting and decided she could live with it (plus she had practice dealing with her father, who was a bit silly like Mr Collins). At the end of the novel, she is expecting. So she got everything she wanted - a comfortable home of her own (with prospects of living in Longbourn), a child to raise, husband of good character and young enough to wisen up (Mr Collins was 25). He might be annoying, but as far as prospects for a 27 year old soon-too-be old maid, he was a jackpot. Mary would not get the same satisfaction of the match.

Well, the plus side of a Mary/Collins union, would be the comfort of Bennett estate remaining in the family and some of the pressure taken off the other sisters of urgently marrying up. But the chain of events that with Lizzie spending time at Rosings with Darcy and then his proposal and then his letter, would probably not happen, and then her eventual marriage to Darcy and even her sister Jane's marriage to Bingly would mostly not happen. And even worse for the whole of the Bennett family, Darcy wouldn't been there to save Lydia. The whole family would have been disgraced and ruin! That stink and stain would probably also have affected Mary/Collins, as well.

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i just read the book for the first time in my life and i loved it so much. i can’t believe so many people don’t like this book

very informative, i bought the deluxe penguin edition, the one ur holding in the video and I'm relieved to know i picked the best translator

If I remember Mary blossom more and became more sociable when the other sisters got married. Being compared to her prettier sisters held her back & she now paid attention to her appearance? I imagine her finding a studious, (good looking) young man, who sees past the glasses, and with money considerations no longer a problem, she deserves it.

It's one of my favourites

Lizzy should run for a prime minister and Jane for her advisor.

The main reason modern people (Specifically) women of course don't like Mansfield Park and subsequently Fanny Price the main protagonist is because she is the most Traditional, Moral & Humble of Austen's female leads. Most modem women also misinterpret Austen as a feminist not realizing her biggest critique of women in her works is that they are too arrogant, stubborn & fill with a sense of rebellion which idk fits modern women perfectly but because Austen critiques women with subtle jabs & satirical structure modern women seem to think she is supporting feminist ideals because they aren't understanding her critiques they aren't comprehending it for the context that it's being written in.

The Norman Denny is the one I liked the best.

Can anyone tell me how accurate Mary was in the two British TV series? It’s been ages, but she seemed, not just awkward, but actually talentless; & it’s been even longer since I’ve read P&P. Did TV downgrade her a bit, or was she actually off-putting?

Mansfield Park is my favorite Jane Austen novel. The reason for it is that I, although a man, identified completely with Fanny Price. I have always perceived myself as an outcast. As an outcast Fanny does everything in her power (internally) to resist bending her conscience to the whims and in-style mentalities of those around her. Her opposition to putting on a play is evidently a statement about not “acting” as a person you are not. “Be true to yourself,” could be her motto. (Don’t yield to acting like someone you are not because of the current fad.) When she returns to her biological family she realizes she is no longer identifies herself with her origins. The irony is that she had returned to her biological home precisely because she was ejected from Mansfield Park. So, in the end, she has actually become a person free of all social pressure. This is why her marriage to Edmund is not really her final destiny. Fanny and Edmund, although they love each other, are not perfectly matched. She will remain faithful to him out of principle, but we should no expect their union to be an ideal.