What about trading Captain America for Hulkbuster. It gives you a threat 6 leader that is not squishy and you can ditch Invincible Iron Man.
@ShaterkunКүн бұрын
As she with gainer take additional power for every damage sufered with Boom efect? 😮 Damage is dealt before atack is resolved. When atack is resolvet She gain power equalizer to the damages dealt.
@ZetroxWargamingКүн бұрын
The boom trigger is not technically considered damage dealt by the attack, so she won't gain any extra power for, similarly to characters with throw or explosive triggers.
@FreeRangeDiceКүн бұрын
Seems like a nice addition. Just need another A-Force Leadership and I will be happy!
@ZetroxWargamingКүн бұрын
A-force is definitely overdue a second leadership, here's hoping!
@travisskane5459Күн бұрын
Actually not a bad idea to start with more characters and then reduce it to the final roster: Some of us poor folks don't own every model in the game so having some substitutions suggested is kinda nice.
@ZetroxWargamingКүн бұрын
With a list like this there's so many good options, so I feel like if I don't include more than 10 there would be lots of people wondering why character XYZ wasn't considered, but I definitely agree it has the added benefit of giving more ideas to people watching on how they could build this for themselves, and that's always a win!
@razaele5495Күн бұрын
I love this videos. But hurts that you didn't consider rogue! 6/6, 4/3/3 with damage reduction. She is beefier than Rhino, for instance 😂. In fact rhino isn't as beefy as other models, but more punishing if attacked. Also maybe Cable should have been a consideration just because the extra defensive dice rolls to his pals. Shield from captain America and from cable sounds brutal with damage reduction 😂. Also I guess you are not looking for dice re rolls, right? Because Amazing Spiderman may be harder to kill than Juggernaut, for example
@ZetroxWargamingКүн бұрын
Rogue definitely should have been in the running, not sure if I quite agree with her as beefier than Rhino though, since I put more stock in health than dice personally, but she still deserved consideration. Similarly for Cable and ASM, Cable himself is relatively squishy, even with the extra dice he has a lower stamina pool and his dice still aren't much better, and no damage reduction, while he does buff other models well, I think he becomes the easiest target. For ASM, his defenses are super swingy, sometimes he blocks everything and feels great, other times you roll a skull or 2 and he's taking massive hits, I wanted to focus more on the consistent defensive abilities, which is why Captain America is the only model on the list without damage reduction tech. TL;DR: I value reduction over dice pretty much anywhere, your mileage may vary though, and a totally different (and still very viable) version of this list could be made with ASM and/or Cable as primary pieces.
@morganforsythe7434Күн бұрын
I really appreciate this series, even when it's for a character that I'm not all that familiar with (it's been a solid two decades since I played a Halo game). How far into this series until we get to see some bat rep videos of you trying the characters out? It might make the videos longer than you'd like to keep them at, but I'd love it if you also created a tactics card for each character. Keep up the good work!
@ZetroxWargamingКүн бұрын
We definitely want to do battle reports with custom characters, just need to make enough of them that we can do it! As for tactics, that's also something I want to add to the series but I think the idea for them is doing them as their own video, after we have enough characters, where we just make a bunch of cards for the theme/affiliation.
@StephenMAdamКүн бұрын
Ive been looking at that leadership and thinking of a splash damage list..... hot take: Bob Agent of Hydra will splash out 3 damage with excessive violence to characters within 2 using BOOM!
@ZetroxWargamingКүн бұрын
Ooh that could be really interesting, just explosive to the max, Bob, Iron Man, Dynamo, too bad I can't think of any midnight suns that fit the theme (but I might be missing some)
@joshuaarseneault11912 күн бұрын
I can't wait to be livin' on Elsa time w/Ghost Rider as my wingman. It's getting hot in here🔥🥵!
@joshuaarseneault11912 күн бұрын
A smoking hot red head with guns😍🥵, worth buying just to paint. That aside...great builder, spender, but most of all that leadership and bearer of the bloodstone! What is there not to love about her card except no displacement (which would be crazy OP)?
@PureBrawler2 күн бұрын
she looks crazy fun and gives moon knight a way to spend all that power he keeps hoarding on his card
@shaunkrogulski96192 күн бұрын
She has a lot of effects that are great on narrow maps, which midnight sons like. I agree she doesn't just replace blade as your leader, they both shine into different match ups.
@ZetroxWargaming2 күн бұрын
Yeah I still think Blade and bump+ihulk is their e-map team, but I really like her for B-maps where teams are somewhat clumped but she won't be under as much fire.
@obyiscushobbyandgaming2 күн бұрын
I think her Sons like that. Under Blade Sons love a wide map because bump makes them very mobile
@shaunkrogulski96192 күн бұрын
Kraven is pretty good. He really needs either survivability help or mobility help. Sadly neither Foes leaders do that, but he helps them punch above their weight class so you generally take him. Apart from the affiliations you mentioned I think Storm helps him out a lot and he help her typical team out with its punching power
@ZetroxWargaming2 күн бұрын
How could I forget Storm Hop?! Definitely a really cool place for him, and I agree he's good for her team! Oh and the defensive reroll is great for him!
@johnmillar68202 күн бұрын
One thing you didn't mention is Run and Gun isn't limited to once per turn. So she can move quite a bit if she has the power.
@ZetroxWargaming2 күн бұрын
Didn't catch that, that's fantastic!
@travisskane54592 күн бұрын
Some fun things here, I'd like to see the design space stretched really far on an out-there character. Looking forward to seeing what AMG has cooking for us in 2025 (though it's the "year of Star Wars Legion" with everything going on with that product line)
@ZetroxWargaming2 күн бұрын
They're definitely getting more ambitious with design space and I'm here for it!
@omnivision6163 күн бұрын
wtf man those spartans seem busted as fuck, lolol
@ZetroxWargaming3 күн бұрын
@@omnivision616 I thought so at first too, but the Elites ended up winning. The more I look at it, I'm convinced the Elites are really strong, just take a bit more skill/practice to use well
@1RobW3 күн бұрын
Start of round 5 (40 mins) you activated the purple merc and then used the +1 model die to activate the red one and round 7 (1hr) 2 Spartans went. Players are not allowed to do this in their 1st activation of each round, but can from turn 2 onwards. Not noticed if this happened in other rounds.
@ZetroxWargaming3 күн бұрын
@@1RobW Happened almost every one of Alex's turns (Spartans), unfortunately we didn't know this rule until after this was recorded
@1RobW2 күн бұрын
@@ZetroxWargaming Thats OK, I didn't either and kept being reminded in an event last weekend. :)
@jamesallan85863 күн бұрын
I know the space is tight, but no leadership?
@ZetroxWargaming3 күн бұрын
I wanted to save leadership Master Chief for when I do blue team, this one is kinda supposed to be chief off on his own. Depending how I'm feeling, it'll either be a tactics card leadership or a different version of chief down the line, but not decided yet
@jamesallan85864 күн бұрын
You guys should do a Winter Guard v. Criminal Syndicate for a Christmas team versus a team stealing the presents. Love the batreps!
@ZetroxWargaming4 күн бұрын
@@jamesallan8586 We used Winter Guard for last year's Christmas special, not sure if we'll be doing one this year unfortunately though just because of recording schedules being really tight this time of year, but it's a great idea for one!
@shaunkrogulski96196 күн бұрын
He will definitely be a good addition to Guardians. I like how he is more about control but still can contribute to attrition meaningfully. Also Call for backup is a silly good card.
@ZetroxWargaming6 күн бұрын
Yeah he's a super solid addition to guardians, very excited for him there where he gets the attack dice consistency from winging it, and Galaxy's greatest on him will be kinda insane.
@obyiscushobbyandgaming6 күн бұрын
You can guarantee use the spender round 2 even without attacking round 1. Power phase gain 1, Move turn 1 gain 2 (3 total), power phase round 2 gain 1 (total 4), move round 2 gain 2 (total 6)...launch beam
@ZetroxWargaming6 күн бұрын
Yeah somebody else mentioned that too, I was being dumb and forgetting about walking round 1 for power.
@obyiscushobbyandgaming6 күн бұрын
@@ZetroxWargaming I could see it being a common play pattern to walk spender if you start a round on 3 power. Sure you only are making one attack action, but you can easily get 3 people under a beam at range 5 and with a long move to position. Late in a round it can be huge to displace a bunch of models. I really hope he does end up in Webs :P
@ZetroxWargaming6 күн бұрын
@@obyiscushobbyandgaming Yeah the beam is super powerful, and it being online consistently round 2 is real good, I agree it'll probably be a really common play, and the displacement will be massive, especially if he ends up webs
@obyiscushobbyandgaming6 күн бұрын
@@ZetroxWargaming I already have plans for him in my Midnight Sons (going to trying swapping him in for Dracula for a bit). In webs he may actually open up a more offensive webs play too
@ZetroxWargaming6 күн бұрын
@obyiscushobbyandgaming I'm so here for agro webs being a viable strategy! Sons could be interesting, bump safe grab is a thing, or contest and punch
@Sirpirio316 күн бұрын
Can’t he get spender turn 2 with 1 from power phase + 2 from moving + 2 from move = 6 power and one action turn 2
@ZetroxWargaming6 күн бұрын
Yeah, I totally wasn't factoring in the turn 1 move power, whoops, that's really good!
@Sirpirio316 күн бұрын
@ all good love the content keep it up :3
@Kaylubdee6 күн бұрын
He seems pretty pushed for a 5 threat. A longer range, glass cannon Juggernaut. Nova and Namor kind of show the power creep in recent MCP.
@ZetroxWargaming6 күн бұрын
While he and Namor (and post-buff ASM) are definitely in the stronger end of 5's, honestly I think that where 5's feel best, the previous ones in my opinion kinda needed the power creep, with the exceptions of maybe Ghost Rider or Juggernaut All that to say, I don't think he will feel much stronger than a Juggernaut does right now, he hits harder for sure but I think is a little more situational and not nearly as survivable.
@obyiscushobbyandgaming6 күн бұрын
@@ZetroxWargaming Agreed, he seems alot like Abomination. A very hard hitting 5 limited by their gainer. Were they a builder they could be 6s
@Spacesharks40k6 күн бұрын
I was just reading the article and he feels very powerful
@ZetroxWargaming6 күн бұрын
I really like him, super good on maps where beams are good but I think he's not gonna be absurd or anything.
@joshuaarseneault11918 күн бұрын
high threat? just how good is this...thing? anyway, would he be good for a cubes crisis? short adv not good but HF2...
@ZetroxWargaming8 күн бұрын
@@joshuaarseneault1191 Yeah I think he's definitely solid on cubes or really many of the damage ones, he loves the extra power and healing factor is super good for it.
@johngilchrist25208 күн бұрын
1) The placement on a R1 Meet My Associate to pull a large base off the deployment line is *really* tight, and is super-telegraphed bait. Because of that it probably isn't a very good play. Also note that, against some models like Thanos they can just kidnap and murder you, although it isn't a concern here. 2) R2 you really want to activate Mephisto early, if not first, so that you can threaten Up The Ante. 3) R2 you should have advanced with Dynamo then used the beam so that you could get more targets in the beam. That would also get him power and put him in range to use Disruption Field later in the game. 4) Using Emma to shut off Meet My Associate R2 is cute, but it would probably have been better just to deny Mephisto power early in the game.
@FranticGamer1178 күн бұрын
Great batrep guys. Remember that getting battered by a wall causes pinning (missed that in round 1 i think). Hope you're enjoying the game.
@ZetroxWargaming8 күн бұрын
Good to know, thanks! Loving the game so far, looking forward to doing more!
@LeoChaseTheMythMaster9 күн бұрын
Definetely interesting as a 3 drop. Another reason to use Guardian over his Spender is that Incinerate can't be stacked and you'll usually probably burn your opponent's with his passive.
@ZetroxWargaming9 күн бұрын
@LeoChaseTheMythMaster Yeah his spender certainly isn't bad but I think guardian is definitely his better use of power
@shaunkrogulski96199 күн бұрын
He seems pretty strong for a 3 threat. I could see him working well under any power leadership. I think the only one that he doesn't really have a role in is Inhumans as they have affiliated pieces that do this. I did like the Easter egg on Elsa's leadership. I think Venom is going to make a come back in midnight sons rosters
@ZetroxWargaming9 күн бұрын
I'd absolutely love to see Venom get a place in MS again. Unfortunately I agree regarding Inhumans, as much as I love the idea of him there.
@Talchwi39 күн бұрын
I was expecting him to be a 5 drop.
@ZetroxWargaming9 күн бұрын
@@Talchwi3 Same, pleasantly surprised since MS has plenty of good higher threats already.
@Talchwi39 күн бұрын
@@ZetroxWargaming I agree. I now wonder if Elsa will be a 4 drop or something else.
@PureBrawler9 күн бұрын
As much as I don't care about Namor the character, Namor was the missing piece for dark dimension IMO. Long Charge turn 1, reroll bubble, strong objective piece and strong damage potential. Dorm, Namor, Zemo as a core has produced great results.
@ZetroxWargaming9 күн бұрын
Seems like a really solid core, shame that it's 16 threat so it doesn't work with the 15 scenarios.
@shaunkrogulski96199 күн бұрын
Great video! He is definitely a strong model. I think the "double bubble" style lists where he is affiliated or Zemo is affiliated are really strong right now, invaders in particular as it unlocks skulls. An important note for "wave of turtles" it says an objective token not extract so it can be used on pay to flips as well.
@ZetroxWargaming9 күн бұрын
@@shaunkrogulski9619 Never noticed that on wave of turtles, that's a really neat bonus, heck you could teleport through an intrusion portal and then walk away, that could be fun. I'll need to workshop that lol.
@miniaturewarzone10 күн бұрын
Wait there’s rules for Chief??? I just got the Spartan edition of the game going to look for chief now!
@ZetroxWargaming10 күн бұрын
@@miniaturewarzone He was the pre-order bonus for the game, but he's also available with the paint set they sell.
@razaele549510 күн бұрын
That roll was blank indeed, my God 😂... I love your calm temper regarding the dice rolls, I'm used to more explosive reactions 😂😂😂
@ZetroxWargaming10 күн бұрын
At this point I'm just a little defeated about it lol, I'm on a bit of a streak (and I don't wanna get super salty on camera for you guys)
@shaunkrogulski961911 күн бұрын
Great game! Bunny Rhino did his part the slacker Daredevil just needs to take notes 🤣
@ZetroxWargaming11 күн бұрын
@@shaunkrogulski9619 Yeahhh sadly that seems to happen to Shadowland a lot for me lol
@top-downtabletop307511 күн бұрын
What's your method for determining threat on a character? Is it simply a wealth of experience at playing MCP? I've started making some MCP cards for characters in my homebrew superhero RPG and the bit i'm struggling with most is deciding on a Threat level. Any tips?
@ZetroxWargaming11 күн бұрын
For me it's kinda arbitrary and mostly as you say just experience with the game. Usually I try to think of comparable characters with similar abilities and what threat we usually see those abilities at for a kinda baseline, and then from there it's an educated guess, often I'm willing to go back and change some health/attack values to make it fit better if needed. For an RPG, like any, be willing to tweak things on the fly if it's feeling like something is too strong or weak, make sure your players know it's a less-tested system and take advice/suggestions they have.
@michaelplant303611 күн бұрын
I just made a roster similar to this names "do you bleed?" love playing dracula he's an absolute menace
@zelphermm13 күн бұрын
Nobody plays timelines why are they still pushing this.
@philtravis209313 күн бұрын
Really really fun batrep!
@ZetroxWargaming13 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed!
@Kaylubdee13 күн бұрын
I adore the aesthetic of the Symbiote roster! I am inspired to try it now! Thank you
@ZetroxWargaming13 күн бұрын
Hope you have fun with it! Definitely nice to throw down the symbiotes from time to time!
@lwwkaleb213213 күн бұрын
I hope next month is mortal kombat
@ZetroxWargaming13 күн бұрын
Unfortunately, I've never actually played a Mortal Kombat game so I wouldn't be able to do it justice.
@lwwkaleb213213 күн бұрын
Wasnt expecting halo lol
@jacobgale479213 күн бұрын
"It's Haloing time!" John Halo circa 2552 (colourized)
@PureBrawler13 күн бұрын
IT'S JOHN HALO I like the level of dice manipulation he has to represent the amount of luck he canonically has. The Shields Down passive is a little wordy and confusing. Does it only activate after he was first injured since the passive is only on his injured side, or from the start of the game? It might have been easier to give him shield tokens similar to flashpoint to represent shields and have them recharge fully every round
@ZetroxWargaming13 күн бұрын
@@PureBrawler From Fortnite?
@PureBrawler13 күн бұрын
@@ZetroxWargaming idk if you saw my edited comment as I just had to impulsively comment the meme once I saw the thumbnail
@ZetroxWargaming13 күн бұрын
Haha yeah the Shields Down is definitely super wordy, basically the idea is the tokens only matter when youre on your injured side, might have been easier to just do something with shield tokens but I wanted to represent the healthy objective power with the shields up too.
@metascrub28513 күн бұрын
Getting into the game. Does master chief and elites have different stats to regular spartans
@ZetroxWargaming13 күн бұрын
Yep,, different shields, health and weapon skills, and Chief takes up the slot of 2 Spartans on a team.
@silverblack11010 күн бұрын
Yes, Chief has 2 Armor, 3 shields, and 3's for his stats. Sangheili mercs have 1 armor, 3 shields, and 4+'s for all of their stats. Unlike Spartans, they don't have different stats for their weapon loadouts.
@kgordon720914 күн бұрын
Are all of these small bases?
@ZetroxWargaming14 күн бұрын
@@kgordon7209 Unless otherwise specified, yes
@PureBrawler15 күн бұрын
I actually think Carnage running Venomized bumps him up in terms of viability. He no longer relies on essentially locking out 3 power for the chance that he daze's or KOs someone with his builder or spender so his survivability becomes much better. When I had an opponent with few non physical attacks, I chose to gamble on him, and he really did deliver, especially the one time I had him and Venom hold an entire side of the board. Even though he kept taking energy attacks, as long as he wasn't dazed, he had to power to use We Are Hungry+Sadistic Glee which turned it into a 9 dice healing attack, often negating the damage on skulls brought from Glee. Niche scenario, but much better than people give him credit for, especially with that TTC. I almost want to say the TTC is mandatory for Carnage if you want to run him. All that to say I think he's actually a better fit for this team thematically than you originally thought 😆
@ZetroxWargaming15 күн бұрын
It's a really interesting card with him, on one hand he can already heal so if he's doing good the healing becomes kinda redundant, on the other hand it's a 3-cost 7 dicer that he can boost, and that's great
@joshuaforren490715 күн бұрын
Correct me if im wrong but you only roll extra die on 8s when its a shot and not a melee.
@ZetroxWargaming15 күн бұрын
@@joshuaforren4907 As far as I can tell, the exploding 8s happen on basically anything that doesn't specify otherwise, including the wall when you get blasted into one, melee, explosives, etc.
@K_C_Gaming_15 күн бұрын
D8 critical. Occurs for any offensive or defensive rolls in the game.
@Wyrm77748 күн бұрын
I get the confusion because the critical 8s are called "headshots" but they work for anything unless it says otherwise