Can you make some tweets about monks Max? Specifically mistweavers and windwalkers.

The sole reason Brew feels shit in M+ is the mastery nerf we got. They need to alter how Attk.P. vs Dodge % increase mastery gives for Brew. In BFA brew could work around with Crit/Vers/Mastery depending on what content it did.: Lots of AA -> Mastery = Crit -> Vers (we could go as high as 33% mastery with medium investment - Fortified vs Tyranical in M+ depndant). Big hits, lower AA count (mostly Raid): Crit -> Vers -> Mastery Any time magic damge is big compared to the rest above: Crit = Vers -> Mastery. They've made many changes to mob damage skills and not as many are dodgable like before. Dodge and its execution should be rewarded in Brew as it was in BFA (best example is King's Rest council fight - dodging the 200% inc debuff, or Tree boss in Waycrest Mannor again dodging the tank buster with proper timing). Currently the only thing going for brew is Stagger and its management, which of itself is an issue only for new Brew players and becomes something you don't thinkg about that much with practice.

more than „sKiLl LEveL bro“ it is probably planing/strategy/tactics, logistics, commitment and time. is max really that dense to think that the only best ~100 players in the world are in limit and maybe echo and method and some other high tier guilds? gtfo

Warriors cried a lot and it did not work for us. Cryuing only works for liked classes.

8:58 Max is completely copium here trying to downplay the impact of raid on the game because he doesn't want them to change their laser focus on it, because that's his job. At least for the role I play which is healer, it's obvious they tune for raid and not M+. This is probably the first tier they've started considering tuning them differently at all in pretty much the history of the game. Just because you don't play that role doesn't mean you discount it as "not a problem." While I don't play DPS or Tank I'm sure there's instances of it however I'm not qualified to bring them up. To his credit he asks "which role?" which no one on the podcast plays healer so that's fair, so lemme just say -- It took them ages to get an Atonement modifier for Discipline priest so it's playable in keys. I've played Disc since Legion and this is probably the first time it has been good because they are finally using the Mythic+ multiplier. It has always been held back by Raid data otherwise which prevents them from buffing it. Also Resto Druid is actually cheeks in M+ at the moment but it's doing great in Raid. They've just kept hitting it with an aura buff which is NOT what it needs to succeed in M+. The community has brought this up to them countless times (early early on in the beta too) and they just do not care cause it's not raid feedback. Nerfing HPal was also another blatant example. It's just devs looking at WCL data (which comes from raids because it's difficult and misleading to aggregate the M+ metrics). They don't even really read into the data much, they just take it face value which is why they were trying to nerf HPal to begin with. Classes like Shaman are played in like 85% of keys atm but are untouched cause they're just chilling in raid where you don't readily recognize their over abundance of utility when you have 20 classes instead of 5. But they literally have like double the number of utility buttons of all the other classes which is why they're in every key at the moment. They're okay with not giving Priests any utility cause yet again it's not really needed in raid. It doesn't matter if they don't have kick if the other 19 people have a kick. It doesn't matter if they have mobility when your raid requires Evokers who can escort them around. I think you CAN use raid data to help tune classes and M+. It's a very good source of information and I'm not saying they shouldn't. But Blizzard clearly, mostly, uses it at face value to tune things they shouldn't be tuning with that data and clearly have trouble reading into what that data means for the state of classes as a whole, not just in the raid. Also to support they just do not care about M+ is that the best gear comes from the Mythic Raid. People will say it's the hardest content when it's not. High-End M+ is. But there's no reward for doing High End M+. If Mythic Raid didn't give the best loot substantial amount of people would not even do it, so they have to do that to incentivize people to play it. I'm from an HoF guild and I wouldn't raid if it didn't give loot above Hero track. Pretty sure Dorki is the same from the sounds of it. Playing in a raid is usually at most 8 min of playing immaculately. The difficulty is 20 people have different learning curves to do it correctly. M+ is usually 30+ minutes of laser focus. The mechanics in each aren't any harder than the other. Usually I'd say M+ has higher individual responsibility and skill expression because there's no one to cover for you in that 30+ minutes. PS.. 12:00. Lol, yes, they could make a talent like that. BUT THEY DONT TUNE FOR MYTHIC PLUS! At least not nearly as much effort as they put into the raid tuning.

Agree with the comments, episode definitely felt low energy with a lot of out of touch takes. Sucks to say, am I patron and these kinda episodes are having me consider continuing

I love how the whole "Dont ever do that"-Part of how to manage certain people in your enviroment perfectly describes 90% of Guilds that dont touch mythic.

*moonkin weeping*

Weird takes from Max this time around. His quick takes (first four bosses are always 1-shots, being good in raid makes you good for m+) seemed kinda… off. I dunno.

Reducing crests based on deaths or time is going to just make people brick the key faster.

The silence between people talking is deafening, I have to watch these with lofi in the background

42:10 But I ask why not taken and the group leader legit tells me “sham/priest only” sooo…

Dorki is a funny dude. His takes are always biased because he has a static m+ team that abuses meta classes. People trying to play their classes normally get the short end of the stick because certain class kits are simply not tailored towards m+. More podcasts without Dorki in it, thanks.

I was a terrible player starting in df. I was the person who had no skill preventing progression. I wanted to not down the team. But I didn't have the skill to play yet and kept getting invited because they were nice. It was very stressful for me. I ended up hating raid night but " did it for the guild". They should have benched me.

m+ ruined wow

Blizzard is so stupid for nerfing Fury Warrior AOE FOR FUCKING RAID PADDING DAMAGE ON RAID ADS THAT IS ACTUALLY USEFUL FOR M PLUS. MEANWHILE RET GETS BUFFED EVEN THEY HAVE UTILITY AND BREZ FOR M PLUS. I hate this balance team.

42:30 im that guy in my guild. 😂

You all asked for the 15 second death timer when you complained about 40 death Fall being timed anyway. You streamers need to articulate what the actual problem is.

Does Max just do the RWF and then doesn’t play much WoW after that?

Haha, this video cracked me up, I fully went into this video expecting the overall response to be "be a prepared, degenerate" and to be honest I wasnt far off XD

32:10 the problem is if you take a break the guild likely just falls apart.

This episode is pretty off some way. Had strong phoning it in feeling.

Props to editor for keeping the Dorkis hot tub out of the sounds :D

Growl: I normally liked your takes but just listened to this and man you come across as a giant clueless idiot. Delve/casual people are the majority of WoW players by a MILE and have been for more than a decade. WE are the normal ones with jobs, families and responsibilities and enjoy the game how WE like. I find your content incredibly tedious anymore and can't stand it. I am a completely retired rank 1 gladiator and raided with top 50 guilds in the world at that time which was the norm back then for the highest end players. Then, I decided that playing the game full time was not going to fulfill all of my life goals and I got a Masters degree and moved on. However i still like a variety of things in game I just stopped liking hardcore try hard tedium. I don't know how people justify THEIR gameplay of sweaty try hard style living with their parents over just chilling in delves and collecting stuff in game with friends. Get a clue child.

Death timer needs to scale, but it should be 5 base, then .5 sec for each death up to 15 cap. Prevents the yolo death squad runs they wanna avoid, but isnt so punishing that 1 wipe bricks the key

D4bad

The smush of keys made the progression of difficulty more chunky rather than gradual. I think it's psychologically taking it's toll.

" Everyones out here pugging and timing 11's " Uhh.... whos this Everyone? You mean to say the top 100 players in the regions? 99% of the playerbase still cant time 8's. Actually hate it when top level players just assume everyone is at their level. Bunch of retards.

Thanks to Max for coming up with the idea to help get Gilded Crests in M+ 8's. Keep that thinking cap on, because you have great original ideas.

i love max for his good takes and attitude on things usually but this time his takes are so horrible. Is he like drunk or something when u guys were recording?

50:40. Sometimes I think they are stupid.

@6:10 Warrior tried. Warrior cried.

Thank you for talking about Brewmaster :) I really try to get 0,1% title and would like to get this class some changes..i check every bluepost :( the dmgnerf last season with such a small playerbase was a slap in the face...its either no changes or something rediculous

Race to world first isn't impressive since they are playing a low skill game. chump change money reward, actually good gamers are playing other games.

zbox are out of their minds those guys put so many pulls onto bosses

In regards to the complaining about class tuning, it genuinely seems like the numbers they put out are 1.) WAY Off 2.) They made errors in their calculations Not sure how this even happens as they should have the tools to be able to accurately tune the output of specs... As an example, for BM Hunter, it was Blizzards intention to buff AoE damage while leaving single target "reletivley neutral". We weren't told that this change was supposed to be net natural for ST until Monday when they corrected their errors. The initial post on Thurs/Fri was showing a 10% ST nerf when in the pure ST build due to an error on Blizzards part which is why it caused a massive outrage lol. They forgot that the majority of our damage in ST is coming from 'pet summons' (dire beast, dark hounds, etc) and not just 'pets'

I think I prefer having more bosses with smaller pull counts. The pull counts on these bosses are great for the last 2 or even 3 bosses, but for me there needs to be more 40-60 pull bosses to make it feel more interesting

The first huge step to making keystones and puglife better, is to eliminate key depletion. Until then, the M+ community will remain a toxic cesspool

My guild has this exact situation

That’s what she said.

Tbh think ill quit playing alt's the warband system is better but gearing my alts in lower keys is an absolute hell

“Hmm the community doesn’t find x hero tree fun. Better buff it until it’s the go to tree instead of reworking it so it’s fun” -blizzard I guess

*pulling 1000 times is insanity* I say this about 300 pull bosses. I think these bosses have inflated artificial difficulty in many ways before nerfs. The mechanics themselves aren't the hard thing. The tuning is. And you definitely need tuning, but the scales are off for blizz. Look at Elden Ring. Perfectly balanced difficult mechanics to tuning ratio. You don't need 4 add-ons and 15 weakauras. Pull count and length to kill does not equal difficult in a rewarding sense. The artificially inflated difficulty needs to come down

While the recent changes are good changes, blizzard really needs to start putting space between themselves and community and make the game they want to make and make changes they feel are necessary. We've hit a point where the devs have listened to the community too much, too long, and the end-game's an absolute trainwreck for the casual to the midcore playerbase and TWW season 1 is the culmination of too many bongrip cooks.

Definitely thought Dorks wasn’t saying much this podcast and then we find out he’s just hackin away keys in the background lol

31:00 The chinese guiilds sell boost for a living, so killing the end boss before other competitor means alot so thats why have kept going

I hate how you need certain weak auras for broodtwister

As your average heroic raider I gotta say Ky'veza has been one of the funnest bosses to progress ever. Challenging but fair and shaking around the room after placing the portals correctly felt different and enjoyable.

just FYI that's not the definition of insanity.

Max is 100% right, leaving Fraudit behind was the best thing that ever happened for me, multiple CE's l8er I miss his warm voice but I don't miss him always looking to place blame on Pitpit