ARM is even more proprietary than x86 is, people need to stop coping changing to a mobile ISA is gonna magically revolutionize desktops CPUs. All it's gonna bring is trouble with legacy x86 code. Everytime apple goes and take a moronic decision it's being sold as the future wtf man. I still remember the 'PowerPC gonna take over everything' clowns.

24pin is the disappointment

Tbh Im kinda hoping handheld market would boom once arm chips are perfected to run linux and windows. The elite x being a repackaged 8g2 and lots of phones running woa and playing games about on par with a 2018 computer (atleast on sd 855) gives me that hope

I dont understand what gordon says - how much PD foes the usb c support? Only 100? This would be a huge letdown. Lenovo Z16 does charge 135W over USB C. I wont buy any laptop with proprietary charger... So does it only support 100W?

Для стационарного компьютера это не нужно. Для ноутбука лучше это, иначе будут распаивать ОЗУ на материнскую плату, что очень плохо.

You know what needs to come back to PC cases? The IBM XT power switch.

I'm in Thailand. I mainly commute by car because public transport around my house is not really good (nearest train station is 1 hour away from my home). That rules out gaming on transit. However, I do play games in the break time. Having portable like Nintendo Switch for example, I can bring it to the canteen area and play a little bit after lunch. It's less hassle comparing to gaming laptop (where you have to look for an outlet). After returns to the workstation, I just return the Switch back to its dock. I don't even take it home as I have another one at home. That said I also games on gaming laptop, but mainly at Starbucks after work. Running back home immediately after work is not really efficient time management-wise as everyone is racing home thus traffic is horrendously bad. I think portable console would be suitable for people living in area with good public transportation. I can imagine some one playing games on the train from work in Tokyo back to home in Saitama for example. Though I don't know if Steam Deck's battery will last that long. I heard its battery life is approximately the same as a Game Gear.

Desktop is dying since 2005 lol😂

An important factor giving space to all these handhelds is you can’t buy a Steam Deck everywhere, it’s still only available via grey market import in Australia. Given that, there is a lot of marketing around the ROG Ally and the Legion Go

I hope it takes off but ATM I am getting RDRAM vibes

I think it's both: too many handhelds and prices too high. The price absolutely has to be significantly cheaper than a laptop. Anything more than $400 is too high, and honestly, $300 would be more ideal.

Your "subtitles" are horrible. If you're only going to re-format "AI" auto-transcript and not correct words and even letters, then don't bother at all...

The title should've been is x86 dying, not desktop. The discussion barely touched the topic lol. Steve questioned if ARM would be able to scale up in perf, and that's about it.

I like hand helds becasue i grew up playing Gameboyboys and PSP's with freinds at school and it has a more chill vibe to it. PC's for me are for more serious games like multiplayer and Esports titels

If you were a "Big Boy" you would be able to use Linux..... Little man :)

This should not be a question about upgrading later on. The real question is why does any Windows computer come with less than 32GB of RAM nowadays? It even shares the RAM with the iGPU!

Mainframe and Terminals... Cloud computing and mobile devices.. OMG same thing. 👀👀

Looking forward for 128GB CAMM2 modules.

It would be incredibly stupid to lock a processor to a particular OS.

more irony, i did use the correct cover and it still fucked up the pins, take note exactly how the cover goes on an how you removed it, i thought it went underneath the plate latch at 1st, but it clips on top, livin an learnin, btw good tools for bent pins, an automotive pick set or the pick tools for dentists, u wont get any better than those 2 types of tools, go ahead an tell me something that works better. you cant. whoop whoop

I would love ARM in a laptop, very much not in desktop

I am still waiting and watching what happens, also have quite a beefy gaming laptop and a tablet so no need for it yet, or better said don't want to spend the money yet. (Tablet BTW is used almost 100% on public transport and a handheld would probably be mostly used the same way, Steve is on to something there) What I am saying is, I think there are lots of people still open for buying a handheld. I think handhelds are here to stay, in a way they have been here for ages already in one way or another.

It's weird that Adam says that he prefers a Windows handheld for "tinkering" when the Steam Deck has Desktop Mode (including a superior command line) for exactly that! I think it's probably simply that he's more familiar with Windows rather than anything else. It's become a crowded market and there's a disappointingly unique differentiator right now - Linux on the Steam Deck vs Windows on everything else, though the Orange Pi Neo is said to be shipping with Manjaro Linux in the near future. I'd like to see more handhelds with Linux pre-installed - it's quite annoying that Valve Time has massively delayed the release of a SteamOS 3 ISO that can be installed on non-Deck hardware (yes, I know about Bazzite, Nobara etc, but OEMs would prefer a big company to be behind the OS they pre-install).

Windows is so bad for handhelds. I really wanted to give it a chance on my ROG Ally but that shit just can't fucking stay asleep! I'll play it in bed, then put it away and try to sleep but have to turn it off 3 times before it finally stays asleep and then I wake up 3 hours later with the damn thing illuminating the entire room again. Finally got my 4TB SSD, replaced that and installed Bazzite and now my Ally actually is a usable device.

I'm French and indeed i used to have a PS VITA with me during my two hours of transit (train & underground/métro) to kill the time when i did not have the honor to be surrounded with people i know and i can talk with :)

Desktop will not die. Typical PC world coming out with more BS.

Gordon ❤

Do handhelds count as SFF? I need Gordon's opinion!

If i can plug in a keyboard and mouse and turn it into an ssh/remote term then it might be worth it but my phone can do that.

6:24 just to make sure you and everybody else from ASUS doesn't miss what I'm going to say here, I absolutely love this idea. I want it implemented. I wanted implemented on every motherboard and laptop, reduce my prices, make my laptop and my desktop easily upgradable. While still giving me real performance and allow me to have a little extra z height space so that I don't have to deal with all the problems of air coolers, AIOs, routing around it....

So ASUS basically is saying you can either have a model t, or you can have a modern Ferrari. They see no use for anything in between... I've got a little bit of a problem with that, as a customer I think I'd rather have something a little more useful than a dead end motherboard that would be the Ferrari with everything soldered down, or old technology that is very finicky and difficult to make run fast... And gets in the way. I'm all for the CAMM2 idea and get rid of the model t

If AI processing takes off, desktops will be around for a while ... or at least eGPU containers will be around. They can pack a lot of matrix processing hardware in a discrete GPU... maybe talking 10x vs these laptop AI chips. Or maybe eNPUs becomes a thing. I saw ASUS showing a rather large NUC box ... not sure what they were calling it ... with a discrete NVDA GPU. Maybe that's where desktops are going...

the density of de each ram chip, will define more cappacity in the future.

Price, then functionality. Every time. I'm not making a furniture.

Lunar Lake with a Battlemage GPU and 40% less power than Meteor Lake and three integrated Thunderbolt ports and integrated WIFI7 looks like a good story to me.

Hahaha thx for this

Moved to SFF (Lian Li A4-H2O) and had no loss in performance. My Core i5-13600K can still OC to 6GHz without an issue. I can put a RTX 4080 in there if I want but run a RTX 4060 Ti because I don't game as much anymore. SF750 PSU can run any modern graphics card. I have 32GB DDR5-6000 and two Gen4 NVMe drives. Temps are perfectly fine. I much prefer this 11L size than a huge dual chamber fish tank next to me. That fish tank was clearly not necessary.

I bought the NRP200P V2. It has the design I wanted.👍

Will we see handheld gaming with Snapdragon's X Elite or plus processors?

In the fabrication, is more single for assembly, why the dimm, and so-dimm slots, have work soldering, and assembly, and how design, a best organization of the connections with the cpu, and ¿are possible a camm2 in a gpu in the back face?

Really giving "I love lamp" at the beginning there

I'm using an analog earphones while watching and listening to this review...

This seems like it could be a good standard to move towards if it can work in both laptop and desktop. Maybe something to push for with DDR6 board adoption if it's proven over the next year or so to in fact be superior

I think the fact they’re all amd is why its too crowded. Theres no meaningful difference besides “which company will continue supporting them”

The 2DPC problem with low memory capacity of SODIMM has been one of the most frustrating points to consider when building a new DDR5 computer. Looking forward for when CAMM2 fully replaces SODIMM in the DIY space.

If you want to tinker you don't want Windows. You want Linux. Which is also on SteamDeck. (Disclosure: I own no handheld PC)

It won't be saturated when a company comes up with a great chipset and a actual gpu even a 4050, good battery, good ram, storage, oled screen with good size, hall effect sticks it will be unbeatable. For now ally is king

I live in the US and get an hour lunch for work. I only need 15 minutes, but cant just leave 45 minutes early because of business hours coverage. So for 15 minutes i walk, and for 30 minutes i game on my legion go, or if its nice and chilly and i wont work up a sweat, i'll bring my steamdeck and play lighter games while i walk for 45 minutes. Honestly i do most of my gaming at work now during lunch. While i mainly got the the legion go because of the detachable controllers, fast RAM, and large display that allows me to also use it as a tablet, i didnt know integer scaling would be so bad on this screen, having dual native 1280x800 and 2560x1600 is basically useless, an external 15 inch 720p screen looks better than the internal 8 inch at 800p the text is all garbled and unreadable, the same game on the steamdeck has easily readable text at the same resolution, if you have the legion go, just disable integer scaling, interpolation will look better even though its not supposed to.

I had to travel a lot for work for most of my professional life. Gameboy Advance, DS, and PSP were what kept me sane. When I could get a laptop decently capable of gaming at an affordable price, that helped a bit, but I lusted after the Razer Edge concept. Switch came out at the tail end of my traveling days so I never got to fully experience my white whale of "most kinds of game, any time, anywhere". But this desire is why I'm super into gaming handhelds and am really excited for the next generations, even if the only real benefit is that I can play Elden Ring while lying in bed. As a New Yorker, I actually wouldn't take a PC handheld on the subway. I stop at Switch (still just light enough to tote, and I can disassemble the joycon to fit everything in separate jacket pockets). So part of it is weight to tote around, and part of it is my lifelong subway behavior paranoia...

I agree the market is flooded.