Tested: Ryzen AI 300 vs Snapdragon X Elite & Meteor Lake Efficiency

[@greasebob]

Hey Gordon, just wanted to say thanks for the testing and I hope you are feeling well!

[@snakebebop]

Is Gordon sick?

[@TheAcadianGuy]

@@snakebebop are u blind?

[@sevbait]

​@@snakebebophe's been fighting cancer for years. If you pray, please do offer up some for him.

[@israellewis5484]

@@snakebebop I hope this ain't bait, but yeah he's not been well all year long.

[@LeesChannel]

28+ hours of browsing on the Ryzen 300 (with an external monitor) is insane! You could fly to Japan AND BACK with the same charge!

[@rhoharane]

We're gonna need better monitor tech soon. Or maybe they should start shipping laptops with a separate battery just for the monitor.

[@pham3383]

Good LCD is still superior

[@israellewis5484]

@@pham3383 OLED isn't bad IF the pixels are shifting enough and the whitepoint isn't too high.

[@green_block]

Lunar lake will beat that efficiency in a couple of weeks.

[@andyH_England]

I am glad you did a more realistic battery life test as I have tried a few X Elite laptops and they do not come close to the early sponsored reviews. I settled on a Surface Laptop 7 that gets between 8-10h SOT which is not game-changing despite the hype. But the main reason was standby, thermals, noise and its fast responsiveness. I certainly would not try and convince anyone to buy it on battery life alone, as M3 Macs, the new AMD and Intel are all competitively matched taking into account the variables. Interestingly, I am seeing many returns of the Snapdragon, also Amazon has removed some of them maybe because of that, so I was probably not the only one misled by the barrage of sponsored reviews that sadly reflect unreal use cases. Samsung Book4Edge already have £200 off and a free £240 display to try and drum up business as demand dries up. I would say that AMD and Intel are still likely to be better choices by the end of the year due to compatibility and pricing as their availability increases and deals become more widespread. The M4 MacBooks are also a choice for non-Windows diehards.

[@RidwanGosal]

Yeah I think we have enough parity with macbook air nowadays. That the only reason they r better is the ability to exert more graphical performance than the windows counterpart could muster.

[@owlmostdead9492]

The OLED numbers really are brutal

[@bassyey]

So not only I will get nasty burn-ins in a year and it also consumes a lot of power, essentially damaging the battery faster due to me using charge cycles frequently. OLED really is an anti-consumer tech pushed by companies.

[@dirg3music]

​@@bassyeyAgreed, I will gladly accept a slightly lesser screen for more battery life and a longer service life.

[@iemozzomei]

​@@bassyey Re: burn in, I've been using a 2.8k 90hz for about two years both as a laptop and with an egpu (monitor + laptop screen). I've had zero noticeable burn in cranking brightness, I generally leave apps + desktop in dark mode though. I've got ~1400 hours of SOLIDWORKS on the laptop screen which doesn't have a dark mode however, no issues.

[@trixniisama]

The anti oled squad still going strong I see 😂

[@johnh1353]

Great to see you Gordon! Best wishes on a speedy recovery! And as a software engineer, i'l like to see more Ryzen 9 16 core laptops ... right now the market is bare

[@samsonadeboga223]

So good to see and hear Gordon ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@lubossoltes321]

And I was thinking at the beginning: "Why not just plug in an external monitor to eliminate the internal screen?" And he did it. Ok one graph that I was missing was normalize the external monitor numbers to battery capacity.

[@Contredanse]

Other charts I would like to see: Performance per watt at each power mode Show the amount of work done for the duration of the battery life, then normalize against battery capacity to isolate which CPU does the most amount of work for the least amount of battery used.

[@JireSoftware]

Yeah feels great to poop 🤘

[@HypnoticSuggestion]

The performance of these machines versus my MSI gaming laptop is insane, four to five times better battery life and CPU performance is better across the board. Wild. Thanks for the thorough comparison.

[@MrMartinSchou]

With the OLED vs External Panel, we can estimate the power draw of the panel, if we assume we used up the entire stated battery capacity in the runs. Zenbook 14: With the internal OLED panel, the device drew an average of 7.087 for 10.6 hours. 10. 6 hours * 7.087W = 74.98046Wh. That's 0.03% below 75Wh. With the external panel, the device drew an average of 3.679W for 20.38 hours. 3.679W * 20.38h = 74.97802Wh. That's 0.03% below 75Wh. That means the OLED drew 3.407W of power. The OLED's power draw is 92% of that of the rest of the system. Zenbook S16: With the internal OLED panel, the device drew an average of 7.009W for 10.7 hours. 10.7 hours * 7.009W = 74.9963Wh. That's 0.005% below 75Wh. With the external panel, the device drew an average of 2.655W for 28.25 hours. 2.655W * 28.25h = 75.00375Wh. That's 0.005% above 75Wh. That means the OLED drew 4.354W of power. The OLED's power draw is 164% of the rest of the system. I couldn't find a reputable source, but chatGPT suggested somewhere between 20 to 50% more power draw for an OLED panel compared to an IPS panel. If we go with a 20% reduction in power draw, an IPS Zenbook S16 could be drawing 3.4832W for its display, for a combined total power draw of 6.1382W. With a 75Wh battery that would get us to 12.21 hours or 732 minutes - 7 minutes shy of the Surface Laptop 7.

[@daghtus]

It's a bummer the Qualcomm based laptop featured an IPS screen. That most likely influenced the battery life quite a bit unless the OLED laptops used black color scheme across the board.

[@christophermullins7163]

I have an OLED phone and similar CPU and battery as my previous phone and I haven't seen any benefit on the battery life. I imagine in any intensive programs, the OLED screen would only account for a few percent of better battery life. Perhaps I am wrong.

[@andyH_England]

It is one reason Apple has refused to use OLED on MacBooks to date. Testing proves it has a significant effect on battery life negating year-on-year efficiency gains. They instead developed their own version of Tandem OLED and are in the process of releasing devices with this. Yield is not as good, especially from Samsung, and therefore prices are still too high for Macs-maybe 2025? Most people do not want to use dark mode on an ultrabooks especially during the day so at the moment IPS is a clear advantage for this market. We saw that with tests on Surface Laptop 7 getting 20h SOT playing video and the 16-inch Galaxy Book4 Edge barely managing 12h.

[@2muchjpop]

As much as I hated micro USB 3, I think we can use that idea to make a better connector that's backwards compatible with USB c but also can maybe have more PCIe lanes. Imagine 10-12 lanes and 350-500w of power on a single connector... And you can still use USB c and thunderbolt connectors that you already have

[@sirmonkey1985]

​@@christophermullins7163 on modern phones you won't see a huge difference with auto refresh rate being significantly better on oleds and how auto dimming works these days. Laptops for the most part still don't have those options.

[@mrgee9430]

You are totally right about the external panel scenario. USB-C vs HDMI uses a totally different PHY (physical layer) for the signal and the usb-c standard requires alot more power, ESD, and signal integrity protection circuitry, especially if the port allows power delivery above 10 Watts. You probably needed a trio of comparisons with the external panel based on connection type, with snapdragon as a DNF for missing the HDMI port. Would be interesting to see how the other two fair with display over usb4/TB4 connection! Cheers!

[@cojamo83]

Happy Friday Gordon!

[@godnamedtay]

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[@jd31068]

Glad to see Gordon back making videos!!

[@Mecrom]

2,65W office 365 for ryzen ai is crazy. 1700 Minutes 27:00

[@gm8s38]

Goes from around 10.7 hours to 28.25 hours. That's crazy how much of a difference going from the OLED to the IPS panel is for battery life!

[@robertlawrence9000]

@@gm8s38 It makes me wonder how they would compare if Microsoft put an HDMI on the laptop or if Gordon tested all of these with USB to HDMI to see how much of a difference it is. If these results 25:00 are accurate, then it makes me wonder if Microsoft knew that if someone would use an external monitor, that their smoke and mirrors would be found out. Maybe the OLED panel is under spec and not truly what they claim it to be. Curious

[@vdpr]

Mind blowing chart! I was so set on the OLED panel but this is making me reconsider waiting for an IPS ryzen. Then again, I can optimize my theme for OLED (straight black).

[@hyperhawk27]

I hope you’re doing well Gordon, great video

[@stevenliu1377]

Gordon, there is no HDMI alt mode over USB-C. An active DisplayPort-to-HDMI converter is required in those USB-C to HDMI adaptors, so your result makes perfect sense. Edit: More precisely, there _was_ HDMI alt mode as the _standard_ did exist, but HDMI dropped support for it due to non-existent adaptation from manufacturers. At the time HDMI dropped support, they admitted that, as far as they knew, no adaptor implementing the standard was ever made (USB-IF later said the same). Passive DP-to-HDMI does exist for DP++, but DP alt mode does not support DP++.

[@DJ_CRIZP]

Can't wait for the lunar lake comparisons thrown in here. Hopefully team blue actually regains some ground here. It whould be nice to have a 'real' PC that can go toe-toe with SD for battery life and thermals. I would not mind a world where we have AMD as the less efficient but more powerful choice, and intel as the slower multi-core, but snappier single core and better battery life option. And hopefully Snapdragon grows up in the next few years to the point of be real PCs instead of the compatibility mess that they are now. Great content and information as always!

[@nexusyang4832]

Gordon: maybe one way to test these laptops that have different screens would just be to turn the screen off and test their power efficiency through an external display. Granted, driving an external display could generate a bit of power loss but it might better than trying to discern the power usage between laptops of varying types of monitors. Since win10/11 have the option to turn off the native display this might be a viable test. Just a thought. :)

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

/s ?

[@lorenzo.c]

Just a note on the graph showing the WebXprt 4 run: instead of using phrases as "more spiky", I reckon a distribution would be more meaningful. You set a reasonable bin width (2W? 5W?) and then, for each power segment, you show the sums of how many units of time each laptop spends at a certain power range.

[@Lady-Bug_]

thanks for your hard work

[@nviorres]

Great test, I hope we see Lunar Lake laptops soon :) BTW, I would take battery life over OLED any day.

[@Shrek_Holmes]

get well Gordon

[@TheNatural1981]

Gordon is the best! Get well soon.

[@PohnnyRico]

08:40 thats my pc trying to run wukong smooth 💀 Edit: 17:40 how long did you browse overall and how are you still alive? :D

[@tmu3tube]

That real world browsing battery test gives excellent information, thanks!

[@ole7736]

Gordon, great discussion on OLED and the difference between the Office and Browsing benchmarks. Dark mode seems really important for the AI 9 to show its massive advantage in efficiency as compared to the 7940HS. Unfortunate that an external display won't factor into those situations where battery life is important.

[@djayjp]

Dark mode makes a big difference 👍. In Chrome Flags you can force all websites to render in dark mode.

[@विचित्रलड़का]

Why dont OEM make a battery life focused model. Just push for max efficiency in all parts. Also user replaceable battery

[@deansmits006]

Some do just based on price point. IPS or TN displays cost less than OLED. More expensive laptops often contain higher performance parts which consume more power. But I like the idea. Largest battery, efficient screen and CPU, low power SSD, etc. closest you can get is Lenovo laptops with add on battery modules

[@01ai01]

Thanks Gordon, would love to see a rematch after lunar lake laptops come out.

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

Me too.

[@hyperhawk27]

Since the Meteor Lake laptop had a battery with 10% reduced capacity, should we assume that the numbers would be 10% higher on a new battery?

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

To be honest, I've never taken a laptop with X-cap battery with Y-cell battery since it's rare (but not unheard of) for PC makers to include different battery options in configs, but generally you do get more battery life. Is it exactly 10% or so improvement--but you can imagine you will see an increase run time just how much I don't know. Generally, a bigger battery helps though no matter what. Yeah, I know this doesn't help that much but I just don't have the numbers to support anything stronger than that for now. At some point, I do want to source a 99.9 WHr laptop with one the OEM approves of, but is say, limited to 50 Whr to do some testing as I think it would help people understand laptop battery life more.

[@thesupremeginge]

You run it on AC, then DC, that's how you get.......... Thunderstruck.

[@CesarPeron]

🤘

[@torpedospurs]

The Thinkpad T14s has IPS display, Snapdragon X Elite, and HDMI, so it could replace the Surface Laptop 7 in that external display test.

[@HowDidThisHappenNow]

Question: Have you tested seen any diffrence for the AMD if you get the patch/update 24H2 to windows? the branch prediction improvments have shown some signifecant change for AMD 9000 cpu´s

[@jredubr]

Perf/W seems like an AMD victory. Pure efficiency, though with perf compromises: snapdragon. Intel looks bad though

[@rhoharane]

For the sake of competition, I hope Lunar Lake shows up.

[@CesarPeron]

Eyes are on AMD and Snapdragon; Intel has been late to the party for years...

[@HuntaKiller91]

StrixHalo is gonna shake up the market even more An igpu close to rx6700 performance is very much needed for solid max 1080p gaming and decent 4k60 with fsr3

[@AyoHues]

Some very solid conclusions. Snapdragon still a niche buy especially when you consider the iGPU performance is grim. It’s worth it you know your applications will run on it and you want the battery life and unplugged power in which case consider that a lot of reviewers tip the X Plus over the X Elite for higher efficiency. Zen 5 isn’t quite as big a step forward in battery life and performance per watt as the hype suggested. The head to head against Lunar Lake in thin and light laptops will be very interesting to see.

[@rifa.3307]

No, vivobook s14 get 16 hours browsing test. See notebookcheck. Thats when you have same 14 inch oled Ryzen AI is amazing

[@Ferdinand208]

I thought everybody knew Oled uses more power than LCD. When oled phones came we all thought they would use less power. They didn’t. LCD monitors don’t use active cooling. Oled does.

[@robertlawrence9000]

At 25:00 something seems odd here!!! If this is accurate, is the panel on the Snapdragon just way more efficient or not really running at the same spec? It's also sus that Microsoft didn't have an HDMI port. Are they hiding something? 🤨 It would be curious then to try doing this test from USB to HDMI on all of these just to get an idea if whether the USB to HDMI is using a lot more power. Edit: Oh I see, the Snapdragon laptop is using that more power efficient IPS. Ok that would be more power efficient but the image wouldn't be as nice.

[@SirMo]

Thanks for the details Gordon. Was this tested with the latest Windows 11 patch which improves Ryzen scheduling?

[@djayjp]

Supposedly the S14 has basically unrestricted TDP vs S16.

[@yibozhao1012]

Thumbnail straight out of a horror movie...

[@bassyey]

Ryzen AI 9 HX seems good. I've gave my custom build to my brother and have been maining Mac mini M2 16GB for a year now. I need a laptop but only Lenovo has good support in my country. I wish I can get a Ryzen AI 9 HX in a ThinkPad model, maybe a T14.

[@ikjadoon]

Very thorough testing. Thank you, Gordon. Challenging my assumptions of how I *thought* these laptops compared!

[@AnkushNarula]

If OLEDs are so sexy why do you punish them with white backgrounds in your charts? ;)

[@kuekejuu5057]

those screen test is brutal. if my laptop is the only windows device i have, i will choose OLED, however if my laptop is only a secondary device i will choose IPS for battery life.

[@Collinormous]

And then there's my Dell XPS with a 15" 4k OLED and a 98Wh battery and 3 hours of life lol

[@green_block]

Gordon, compare these with Lunar Lake.

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

That's definitely on my excited to test list

[@green_block]

@@FakeGordonMahUng Looking forward to it.

[@vasudevmenon2496]

Would love to see newer asmedia USB 4 thunderbolt 4 certified chip on most laptops with amd. Strix point isn't available in India. Then again Zen 5 power efficiency is good. I went with Zen 4 8840hs

[@leorickpccenter]

whats up with the OLED usage on the X Elite?

[@Act1veSp1n]

In canada 0 of these laptops exists. They are still delaying the pushout of these laptops - AMD is THE WORST at releasing Laptops. You can just add 1 year to release date every time they release a laptop series.

[@pham3383]

amd giving out free performance with new windows update,im lovin it

[@todorkolev7565]

Hi I am a Test Engineer. Your test is "Real" not "Realistic" because realistically, no one will ever reproduce this test. Also it's not a consistent benchmark. I can automate a "Realistic" test for you. Record and send me a video of you doing the test once and I will automate a script for you. We can later "test the test" and see if we can fun reproducible results. Reach out to me and we could figure out the details!

[@Winnetou17]

Your "real" vs "realistic" has to be the most pedantic $#!^ I've seen in a while. And I'm quite pedantic too!

[@DS-pk4eh]

​@@Winnetou17 being very pedantic is exactly what we want and need from an test engineer.

[@deansmits006]

The external monitor result is interesting, but almost moot as the only IPS laptop wasnt connected the same way.

[@Winnetou17]

LoL at 28:10 the big brother Surface Laptop took care of the poor monitor and fed it both data and power. Good guy Surface Laptop!

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

Well, kinda, but not kinda. The panel was externally powered. But because there is no native HDMI on the Surface Laptop, I could not use HDMI, so tunneled DP over USB4 to a USB-C to HDMI adapter.

[@Winnetou17]

@@FakeGordonMahUng Yeah, I had a feeling it's not really like that, since a monitor would consume much more, but I wanted to make fun of it :D

[@klagermkii6705]

That difference between internal panel and external panel is so high that it has to be suspicious. Is there no chance that it's getting some power back through USB-C (maybe 5W or so), something which is enough to drastically extend the run time but not enough to prevent it from eventually dying?

[@marsovac]

they were connected through HDMI which doesnt have power transport. Only snapdragon was through USB-C to HDMi adapter since it doesnt have HDMI. But it isn't strange at all. The office tests are mostly on while screen, and that sucks battery on OLED. OLED should be used in dark mode.

[@klagermkii6705]

@@marsovac Fair enough, guess it's just a crazy increase in efficiency

[@Winnetou17]

Hey Gordon! or anyone else, I'm curious about something: I've never seen anywhere Meteor Lake tested trying to use it in the mode of only having those 2 LP E-cores active. Any insights on that ? I believe that's because Windows is so bloated that only when you're actually doing nothing the CPU goes into that state (with the P+E cores chip shut off), and for anything else, the main cores have to light up. Still, I am curious of some actual tests and numbers. And, of course, I'll have the same curiosity with Lunar Lake which will also have the possibility of only having the E-cores active, and the whole P-cores chip to be shut down. With 4 much better E-cores, it should actually be a frequent state for Lunar Lake, not rarer than a hurricane.

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

I have not since there's no time for the fun ideas like this unfortunately.

[@Winnetou17]

@@FakeGordonMahUng Well, I know you'll have time, and fun! (hopefully) with Lunar Lake, can't wait for that! Thanks for the reply!

[@sativagirl1885]

professionals demand 7mm (1/4") audio holes and/or SD card readers, if it wouldn't be too much trouble.

[@TheCgOrion]

Can you drop to 60hz? That makes a big difference in battery life on my AMOLED screen (phone). The AI 9 is impressive.

[@djayjp]

Need work/W metric. Also normalized WHr

[@JimFeig]

Is this with or without the Windows fixes for Zen 5?

[@reiniermoreno1653]

Those problems never were a thing in laptops

[@JimFeig]

@@reiniermoreno1653 They are speculation protection mechanisms that gated off CPU optimisations. Unless the relaxation of the protection and usage of the hardware prevention is limited only to games we should see other changes. But they will be smaller speedups, games are so time dependent it amplifies it. It could change battery consumption since the CPU will be executing more paths that are never taken. And they have a core complex latency fix coming as well.

[@yogeshnaidu5819]

QUALCOMM Smokes AMD and INTEL😂 Just look at the drop in perf on battery vs plugged in. QC unfazed and gives beastly performance everytime!!

[@leakyabstraction]

25:08 😱

[@ThaexakaMavro]

the x elite should be 1199$ max

[@lugaidster]

Is the usb powered external display display link or display port?

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

HDMI on the Asus laptops. DP tunneled over USB4 to passive USB-C to HDMI adapter on the IPS laptop.

[@lugaidster]

@@FakeGordonMahUng thanks!!

[@garievolutionsoccer3218]

Ai: new way Pr:

[@NOMORERATRACE]

Full brightness only for 4 hours not 8-10 hours not include gaming.

[@mraei]

A larger screen will use more power. So not an apples to apples comparison

[@ThaexakaMavro]

ASUS ships their Samsung OLED 120Hz 2.8K displays laptops with a default 60Hz setting probably to inflate battery life .

[@frankwong9486]

Charged 1299, give user a gigabit network 😂

[@pham3383]

now i need amd to give me a chip for beefy laptop,maybe 6 zen5 with 6 zen5C core.That would destroy the performance laptop market also dear windows cpu maker,please ditch the AI crap.Follow apple,skip those AI nonsense for more cores or better battery

[@Marauder-q2v]

you do realize that apple is doubling down on ai right? they're explicitly going to increase ram on iphones for local LLM's. If they're going this far, the macbooks will definitely follow.

[@Antagon666]

What unexpected result 😱 12 lower clocked clores are more efficient than 8 cores pushed past any reasonable efficient operating point. Still this applies only to R9 parts. R7 parts have zero increase in core count, whilst providing only 3 P cores.

[@xxgg]

Anandtech has closed!! Biggest news of the day! WTH

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[@mikebruzzone9570]

good report. mb

[@SpanishCandle]

If you use OLED and you switch to dark mode/backgrounds, you essentially get equal or better power usage compared to an IPS, with better quality screen for when you watch movies. I get 14 hours average runtime on my oled Snapdragon laptop based on powerfg. If you are unwinlling to use dark mode then you should NOT be buying an OLED laptop and expect decent battery life.

[@andyH_England]

He mentioned using dark mode during these tests, so I’m not entirely convinced that you’re right. OLED panels are simply less efficient compared to IPS panels that have been optimized over the decades. Many users who claim to get insane battery life on these laptops are actually reducing all their settings and making a $1500 laptop run like a $600 one. Most users have 120Hz refresh rate, light mode, keyboard backlighting, balanced mode, 200-300 nits of brightness, maybe 1-2 USB-C ports in use, multiple apps and browser tabs, and so on. There’s no way they’ll get close to 14 hours of battery life on an OLED panel. I rarely manage to break 10 hours on my Surface Laptop 7 X Elite. I primarily use it for browsing and office work, so OLED isn’t particularly useful, especially since IPS panels are now much better and offer similar features, and considering that one of OLED’s main advantages was battery life, I understandably chose the Surface Laptop 7 over OLED alternatives. The XPS 13 offers about twice the battery life with its IPS panel compared to the Galaxy Book4 Edge.

[@SpanishCandle]

@@andyH_England If I could share my powercfg report here, I would for you to see. Averaging 14 hours per day in the last 50 days (since I got my OLED laptop the slim 7x), with not a single day below 12 hours. I'm not arguing that the average user will not get a much higher battery life with an IPS on an average workload. but for someone who's wiling to use everything in dark mode (including dark reader on their browser), there is almost no gap.

[@andyH_England]

The Slim 7X was my third choice behind the Surface and XPS 13. It is better value and cheap to upgrade online. Yes, I max out my settings and hate dark mode doing office stuff so I obviously will have a lower battery life than some that can configure their laptop for efficiency. Sounds like you are having a great experience and that is what matters at the end of the day.

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[@Zarathustra-H-]

If all of AI were to please just go eff off, that would be great. Thanks. I don't want that shit on any computer or other device I use, I don't want to see it offered in any software, OS or app I use, and I wish I could even opt out of having anyone I interact with use it. I want to make sure I am actually interacting with a person, in their own writing style, rather than wasting my time with a language model. This bullshit needs to end. Ban all AI.

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[@zodwraith5745]

Good on AMD for offering meaningful improvements in performance and efficiency. Zen5's fizzle had me worried. Of course you can't seriously consider buying one when Lunar Lake is nearly here and if leaks and claims are even mildly accurate it should have an edge over Ryzen "AI". Decent chip, but the timing might be it's downfall. When it comes to X86 vs ARM, the price alone makes the Snapdragons questionable, when you add in the compatibility issues it's a hard pass for me. You'd think Qualcomm would want to launch with a bang by pricing them well knowing there were going to be compatibility issues, but they seem to think they're Apple and can charge that Apple cultist premium. Sorry Qualcomm, literally _no one_ is a cultist for you like Apple's fanboys, and you're brainless money grab turned what could have been a luke warm reception into a fizzle and a fart.

[@JoseMariArceta]

A better way to compare would be a battery size normalized runtime result. Specially since we aren't comparing laptops here and we are focusing on the chips. Yes yes the panels are different but you can't have it all. For me looking at wow ryzen is leading with 78Wh vs qualcomm with 54Wh means almost nothing unless I care about that specific model of laptop in the test.

[@vdpr]

Also take into account the ryzen laptop has a bigger screen than the other two. Around 30% more display area.

[@rifa.3307]

Vivobook s14 oled have 16 hours browsing test (see notebookcheck) With higher performace than s16 (up to 50watt tdp) Thats when you have the same 14 in screen

[@RaVuK100]

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