Big fan of a mono overhead... drums dont have to take up all the expanded spectrum we now enjoy.

This is incredible stuff...thanks!

In the box might be convenient, but it’s not nearly as much fun. I own a big hybrid set up with 56 channels of Neve… Way more fun to pull it up on the eve and use the external hardware but I do most of the editing obviously inside of the DAW

It took me years to understand this about the recording process vs great music

Nice tip. The most powerful plugin is the basic DAW eq❤

The opposite would work too raise the gain by 15dB and sweep until it's absolutely horrible, then remove. I use that technique to ring out systems.

When there's sizzle, I like to close mic each rivet. Kidding. Great convo! Thanks!!

Fun fact: Geoff and Josh Hartnett have never been seen in the same room together. Coincidence? I'm not so sure...

Listen to Roy Thomas Baker drum panning on NATO . Roger Taylor Playing

The drums panned hard to one side makes me think of Rudy Van Gelder and all the jazz records he did for Blue Note, Riverside, etc. in the early days of stereo.

8:00 I use a crotch mic either for fx (add a reverb or delay, wildly creative) or I’ll smash it with an 1176 all buttons in and season to taste.

Larry's right: the toms are panned pretty wide on The Wall. But Nick Mason isn't a toms-heavy drummer - he uses them mostly for occasional accents and fills, so the listening experience isn't like being inside a popcorn popper.

x/y over the snare. YUP! Thats the money for me too.

Crotch mics are very useful. Compress the crap out of it and shove it up in there.

I'm gobsmacked at how many of these are just flying under the radar, stellar work to all involved.

Great videos. One thing to say about old recordings and hard panning the drums is the clarity that’s achieved. Only one speaker will be using up a large portion of the frequency spectrum. This allows the other speaker to reproduce the other instruments unaffected by the speaker movements and dynamics of the drum speaker. The paper cone of a speaker can only be so sensitive. The more resonant movement of the paper driver, the less ability to reproduce articulate air movement, which is of course what sound is. Unfortunately society has mostly moved away from listening to music through speaker systems and has chosen a personal listening experience. Listening through earbuds and headphones, hard panning doesn’t seem as natural. However it’s very separated so you can have a great selective listening experience if you enjoy soloing out performances.

Agree with 100% of this.

My cousin played for Daniel Johnston so I got to meet him. I often think of Daniel Johnston setting up his tape recorder and plugging a mic into it. You become divided into 2 parts. One is thinking like a musician and the other is thinking like the person capturing the recording of the musician. There’s a point in the mixing phase that puts both parts of the process together. The production becomes just as musical. The instruments and tools you use become the composer. Eq , comp , effects adding color. We have so much more at our fingertips these days. Daniel didn’t know anything about ad converters or a treated room. Nothing about the latest plug-in. It’s not about the gear. It’s all about finding your own identity. A tape deck or a studio faculty. Just create. Be creative. Learn instruments , Push your own boundaries. Use whatever you got.

Love this new Creative Recording series. Keep it up, please!

My music hero! I'm so proud my horror stories scared him all those years ago!

Would have been interesting to hear maybe after he explained it, but good idea! I’m going to try this cuz I don’t port my bass drum head either.

I find something like this often is helpful on a foh live mix. I'd be interested to hear Larry's thoughts on bass.

I just tune the kick with LUNA track tune.

Try auto gain on the pro-q instead of the distressor for this kind of work:)

Another proof of full sound degradation by studios for time/money gain! Digital->analog->digital.... All the time it is yes cost less, more convenient, the big joke is when they are saying it sounds the same, totally ridiculous affirmation! Cleaner or more clear; not better!!! Hope they don't make analog support lacquer or master copy like this!!! It just me or all people are used to digital aliasing and don't ear it!

Interesting to try, thanks 👍🏼

some snob ass old fart

Lets be real here. These guys are not discussing sound quality. They are discussing convenience and of course digital will always win. There is something to be said about recording a master tape to digital where modulation has only occurred once. This is your big sound and depth. This digital remastering of songs crap where digital files get re-modulated makes everything flat and dull, not to mention the brickwall limiting. The magic truly is in that single modulation of signal from analog tape to digital or live performance to digital. I could go on with my theories of linearity, clocking, data extraction, signal modulation, dither, jitter, ailiasing and how all this negatively affects digital sound quality but that's for another day.

I guess it's a genx thing, when you ask a guy what to get when you start a studio, and Radio Shack gets not one but two shout-outs.

The room you mix in first. Then any speakers work.

The drugs?

What model monitors does Larry use? I’m using Focal Solo 6be's and still looking for the right monitors.

Hey guys. Could you please raise the level a little bit!

IMO, you should not buy monitors! Instead your should Siena the money and get a set of Audeze LCDX's. The reasoning is simple. Having an expensive set of ATC SCM20ASL Pro mk2's or whatever great Pro level studio monitors will make zero difference, at all with untreated walls, zero room correction, abs the inability to knife basics like eq, compression, balance, etc. They will not help. And treating a room Correctly is way more expensive than the monitors themselves. And usually when you first start our, your poor to begin with! So IMO, V take all that out of the equation, and use an excellent set of studio headphones that you can reliably mix on! Then get a Shure Sm7b, so that one again you take as much of the room out of the equation(especially when doing vocals). And let's be honest. Most new studio cats are doing hip hop, or similar genre. So you don't need stuff for drums(which costs the most imo). Just vocals really.

Exactly crapy mics can be so useful 👌🏼

Thanks. 100% on the monitors (and good headphones for detail). Mic preamp next on the list?

Killer!!!

Digital controlled analog gear like Wes Audio has or like McDSP is the future imo. I mix on an analog console and love it, I would love a completely automated console like the Neve Genesis. Of course you can work completely in the box but analog knobs are faster than a mouse 🐭 I like the intuitive fast approach of an analog device, make it digital controllable 😊

So glad I came across this episode <3

I'm sorry, I think @tape Op Mag is misinformed about Adrew process; he still uses hardware and a console. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2m2kq2PpsinnpI

MIXING IN THE BOX REALLY MEANS, YOUR JUST USING YOUR COMPUTER, A DAW, PLUGINS AND THEN YOUR RECORDING TO THE CD RECORDER ON THE COMPUTER THAT YOUR USING. BUT IF YOU USE A INTERFACE, OUTBOARD GEAR, A CONSOLE OR ANY PHYSICAL INSTRUMENT'S, THEN YOUR NOT MIXING IN THE BOX, BECAUSE YOUR USING ANALOG EQUIPMENT TO PRODUCE A QUALITY SOUND, THAT YOU CAN'T GET FROM A COMPUTER AND PLUGINS. SO EVERYONE HAS TO STOP LYING TO THEMSELVES, ABOUT MIXING IN THE BOX, BECAUSE YOUR NOT DOING THAT, AND YOU WILL NEVER DO THAT, WITHOUT USING HIGH QUALITY ANALOG EQUIPMENT. AND ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT CHILDREN ARE LISTENING TO YOU GUYS, TO LEARN WHAT'S RIGHT AND WHAT'S WRONG. SO ALWAYS TELL THEM THE TRUTH. AND NOBODY WANTS TO BE KNOWN AS A LIAR.

Great discussion 🔥

Glad to see tape up still going strong after so many years as far as what he says about in the box mixing I could not disagree more. ITB sounds like crap and engineers and producers turning to it is one of the things that killed rock music. The reality is musDrank the cyanide laced Kool Aid of digidesign and other Music software companies. If switching to digital because of revisions is a concern then just get yourself a digital mixer.

@2:16 Saber? I have one and it is a noise machine. Fun to look at and I use it from time to time. But mostly just as a tabletop for picks, cables, and empty coffee mugs.

"We were getting cleaner mixes in the box." But people didn't like those clean mixes. That's why they developed three million different saturation plugins and clippers.

Keep these coming Larry. The community wants more!

I sure would appreciate a longer format on these.

Does the capture compliment the source; on a elemental level as well as enhancing the “song” as a stand alone event.

Thank you Larry!

My favorite Magazine is now my favorite U-tube channel !!!!!!