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@tomperkins6389
@tomperkins6389 2 ай бұрын
Also store tail out to get a proper pack of the tape, so no edges get stretched.
@dubdoodle7191
@dubdoodle7191 2 ай бұрын
How do you set bias by finding a common level among 1kHz, 5kHz, 10kHz, 15kHz ? Isn't that more accurate than a rough over bias method using vu meters ?
@ohmrecording
@ohmrecording 2 ай бұрын
hello, yes, if I understand your question if you were measuring voltage vs using VU meters it would be slightly more accurate. Also, some people used to bias just by listening to the "rocks" or the distortion and grumbling etc while monitoring off the repro head in while recording a 30-40hz tone and adjusting for lowest noise / distortion. I'm not sure what you mean by your first question? Are you asking if you could you use 1k 5/5k etc tone to set bias?
@Anonymous-nd7xo
@Anonymous-nd7xo 9 ай бұрын
TOO KOOL!!! FANTASTIC MAN!!!
Жыл бұрын
Hey, man! You forgot to demagnetize the tape heads and all the tape path. A calibration test may be totally ruined with just one pass with magnetized heads or path. Very important issue!
@ohmrecording
@ohmrecording Жыл бұрын
We (and other folks I know) don't demag every session, but if that works for you then go for it! Happy recording
Жыл бұрын
@@ohmrecording check your calibration tape. May be, it's already no more "calibrated". Happy recording, too.
@SDsailor7
@SDsailor7 2 жыл бұрын
So when hea over bias for 4db does it mean that the VU needles will go all the way to the red area? Anyone know? Thank you
@SDsailor7
@SDsailor7 2 жыл бұрын
What is tails out? does anyone know? Thank you
@nintendoor1
@nintendoor1 3 жыл бұрын
thank you for this helpful video! does this translate to most tape machines? I recently picked up a Teac 80-8 R2R and some of the tracks aren’t erasing / recording properly, so I am planning on buying a calibration tape in an attempt to remedy that issue, but I’ve never done anything of the sort, so obviously, I’m a little nervous poking around
@ohmrecording
@ohmrecording 3 жыл бұрын
it does! though that sounds like a physical issue vs electronic alignment (like an azimuth thing maybe) you can do a dirty check for physical alignment by running a tone to the first and last track, flip phase on one of them and see how much gain reduction you get on your stereo bus (and you'd adjust your physical heads ever so gently to maximize the phase cancellation) you can also do this the "right" way with some scopes etc. but, bounds like maybe beyond an MRL issue. Good luck!
@frankpaws
@frankpaws 3 жыл бұрын
Smart. Rather than rewind, end of tape is tails out.
@ohmrecording
@ohmrecording 3 жыл бұрын
well, you gotta rewind it when you put it back on though haha
@380stroker
@380stroker 3 жыл бұрын
It would be nice if a company can implement current technology and make a new 24 tack tape machine with modern parts, modern schematics, perhaps improved tape formula for improved noise floor. ECT, ECT, ECT......
@ohmrecording
@ohmrecording 3 жыл бұрын
It's been 10 years since I posted this video, and yes, this would be nice. Though there are folks like mara machines rehabbing old machines. I think the market is just what it is. We can buy used 2" decks for 4-10k now (currently on a mci jh-24 with 16 track headstack, though I haven't checked prices in a while) and they were the equivalent of a very very nice car back in the day. And most bands I work with don't "buy the tape" but rent and we reuse tape for several sessions. Probably have to wonder if someone made them new, would they sound the same? same mojo? we have new tape now, but is it a roll of quantegy 456?
@BRINGYOURSONG
@BRINGYOURSONG 4 жыл бұрын
Scott.... thanks so much for this. Do you know if the audio cards for the MKII and MKIII are the same? They look like it.
@daveagne3308
@daveagne3308 4 жыл бұрын
How often does the tape alignment need to be performed?
@mattylop1
@mattylop1 4 жыл бұрын
Does every type of tape come heads out? Looking at getting a 1 inch deck just curious
@richpaul8132
@richpaul8132 4 жыл бұрын
I deleted my statements & questions because I realized what I was missing when I re-read the manuals. Thanks, Rich
@shaun9107
@shaun9107 5 жыл бұрын
That is what I call a real set up , swap seats LOL
@jj-jo6wr
@jj-jo6wr 5 жыл бұрын
i'm expert in nakamichi cassette deck adjusting bias.. but what is low speed EQ?never heard this before in cassette deck. on 16khz the bias is too low... on 65hz is too hot because it came from faulty power supply interference 50/60hz . good power supply should shield the interference away from the audio mainboard.
@quantika72
@quantika72 5 жыл бұрын
This is why plug-ins emulating tape can’t came close to the “reel” thing!
@user-vc3bk9zj3b
@user-vc3bk9zj3b 5 жыл бұрын
Нихуя не понял, что они там говорят, но было интересно.
@SeanKerns
@SeanKerns 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Scott, thanks for doing this, Is there an official name for the "tweaker" too, and where can I find one? Trying to keep a jeweler's screwdriver while adjusting is a real hassle. Thanks!
@cameronos
@cameronos 2 жыл бұрын
eBay “reel to reel adjustment tool”, other name is insulated screwdriver
@shadowshop1
@shadowshop1 6 жыл бұрын
hi to all out there i picked up a otari mx80 of the ebay i had to do this. i can tell you it takes some time . rew the tape all the time i put the start of the tone at zero helps big time. i have a 16 track heads what a pain it is to change it over all the time . otari mx80 mx70 i have they are ace recorders and great to work on
@robh1908
@robh1908 7 жыл бұрын
To date nothing compares quality wise to this machine. Not even close.
@TheMentalblockrock
@TheMentalblockrock 5 жыл бұрын
Better than digital!
@yeswecan8680
@yeswecan8680 4 жыл бұрын
studer A800 / A827
@OFR
@OFR 7 жыл бұрын
Bias is a recommended setting: it's a guess how they think you'll want your sound and response. If you have time, it's good to try different bias settings; you get various "sounds" from your machine and tape. For example, if you add more bias than recommended, the sound gets darker and muddier but very fat - and you can "slam" tape nicely without a bad sound. If you add LESS bias than they recommend, you get this modern, silky high end when you record, but it will not like it if you slam hot levels onto tape. Good to experiment.
@carlrudd1858
@carlrudd1858 7 жыл бұрын
Not much point in storing new blank tape tails out, is there.
@ohmrecording
@ohmrecording 3 жыл бұрын
ha, nope, guess just illustrating a point ;)
@StudioSasha
@StudioSasha 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Scott! Problem on Otari MTR 90 Mk I, All Functions work Fine , remote to, All Bolb Iluminate good , but No Play Moe no ff no rew mode, Capstaine motor 0v, Disconect Capstain motor have 36v Play ,36v FF -36v Rwe Mods ??? Evrethink loock good Fuse Ok, But Tension control Good Reels Motor Good Capstain motor form add 6v Power supplay work good, Tech 90 degree 5v sine wave good Squer wave good, Flip Flop good squer wave 90 degree good , Motor Amp Transistor good, Wath to Halll ???
@StudioSasha
@StudioSasha 7 жыл бұрын
Help Please !! Otari MTR 90 , Problem : after Transport from germany to USA , Evrethink work but no power on Capstan motor , but reels motor good. But all buttons iluminate good
@burns46824
@burns46824 7 жыл бұрын
Some people insist on biasing at ten dB under +4. Have you ever tried that? I bias my ATR-102 at +4 (30 IPS).
@hieunguyen-og4yw
@hieunguyen-og4yw 8 жыл бұрын
BĂNG TO QUÁ
@michaefrasinelli9191
@michaefrasinelli9191 8 жыл бұрын
I know this is an old video, but I'm going to be calibrating an Otari MTR-12 stereo machine. Do you use the low speed pot for 15ips and the high speed pot for 30ips at 10KHz? Or always low speed for 10KHz?
@NeneExists
@NeneExists 8 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't variation on the outer tracks indicate your MRL tape is starting to stretch?
@bob4analog
@bob4analog 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid! It's nice to see that there's still folks that still use and maintain analog machines. Brings back great memories!
@terratec1001
@terratec1001 8 жыл бұрын
What a palava . Maybe it's automated these days...
@LouisSerieusement
@LouisSerieusement 8 жыл бұрын
you won't say that when, in a close future, an IA will automate our lifes
@nationaldebonaires
@nationaldebonaires 9 жыл бұрын
Scott - nice videos. . . helpful. I have an MX 70 and need some basic get started info on how to use the Auto Locator. Do you have any information you could share? Thank you. Steve
@johnchase8510
@johnchase8510 9 жыл бұрын
Scott, The harm in using a scope for azimuth on multitracks, is that while you can align any two gaps in vertical perfection, the coils have some slight error in the alignment of the stack. You will actually get a higher overall high frequency energy output by panning all tracks to one side (L or R) and adjusting the azimuth with the 10k tone on the MRL for max output, wherever it may be. This way, when all tracks are up and running, the head stack is in its best overall verticle alignment. For those folks demagging befor alignment, which is part of my process, be certain the machine has been powered down, unless you want to blow up some of the circuitry in the record amps and possibly the playback amps as well. p.s. The common name for your adjustment tool is a "Tweaker" Thanks for the cool vids!
@bobbyhosweden
@bobbyhosweden 9 жыл бұрын
Hi there, are these reliable machines ? I am looking to buy an Otari MTR90 but have heard that the Mk ll or lll are prefered?
@KandiKlover
@KandiKlover 9 жыл бұрын
Those huge ass 24 track tape recorders are awesome.
@jimfliptx
@jimfliptx 10 жыл бұрын
Great, thanks a lot
@joehazeofficial2
@joehazeofficial2 10 жыл бұрын
Perhaps "RemyRAD", should make a video to show us how it's done.
@38911bytefree
@38911bytefree 10 жыл бұрын
WOW, that is for serious ... ITS A MONSTER R2R.
@RemyRAD
@RemyRAD 10 жыл бұрын
Wow! What a fabulous video you have made to show people how to destroy their very costly, MRL calibration tapes. There is this little thing called a "head de-magnetizer". You can't use the little skinny crappy ones from Radio Shaft. No. You need something that has a very strong degaussing abilities such as a "Handy-Mag". YOU MUST FIRST ALWAYS de-MAGNETIZE THE HEADS FIRST, BEFORE YOU EVER LOAD THE MRL, CALIBRATION, ALIGNMENT TAPE! DON'T EVER FORGET TO DO THAT! Now that cleaning procedure with the Q-tip and 91% isopropyl alcohol also gave me a good laugh. Not! Why? You indicated to clean the head in the direction of the tape travel, back and forth across the gap. NO, NO & NO. You clean the head with a Q-tip, dampened with alcohol, not soaking from alcohol. And you clean the head vertically, up and down the multitrack gaps. Not side to side, where you can deposit and clog the head gap with magnetic tape articles. It's the blind leading the blind! OMG! And does everybody know about MRL calibration tapes that are compensated or uncompensated, for multi-track reproduction? Of course not. So if the tape is not " Compensated for Multi-Track reproduction? What does that mean? That means, you're not going to adjust any of the low-frequency Playback equalizers, while playing the reference calibration, alignment tape. No. You adjust the playback low frequency response equalizers, while you are recording low-frequency tones. Not playing them back from a tape that is not compensated for multi-track reproduction. What you don't know about these 2 inch tapes, kids, is that they are actually recorded on 2 inch, FULL TRACK HEADS, that are specially made. This made this so you can use that tape on 16 track, 24 track and the John Stephens, 2 inch, 40 track machines, all. Now that's going to be a calibration tape that's not calibrated for multitrack reproduction because you are using different track format machines. And the different track widths actually affect low-frequency response, from what is known as " FRINGING EFFECT ". Meaning that the tracks of the heads, will see, more low-frequency response, which will be displayed on the meters, erroneously. That's why you cannot use the low-frequency playback equalizers, with the calibration tape, in playback. I know that sounds whacked but that's the way it is with analog tape recorders of a multi-track variety. And you didn't get to azimuth? What? That's not a repro alignment. There's always been a lot of discussion how to check and adjust azimuth on large-format, 16/24 track machines. Some folks think, you take tracks 1 & 24 (16 if that's all you got.). Unfortunately, that method does not guarantee that you will have proper azimuth alignment. No. It's actually best to take tracks 1 through 12. Combine them all together to the left channel output of your console. Then take tracks 13 through 24, combine them all together and place those in the right channel mix output of your console. From there, you can watch your meters on your console, and tweak azimuth for highest output. However, the best way to do that is with an oscilloscope. Left channel goes into the horizontal input. Right channel goes to the vertical input. This will display a 45° diagonal line from lower left, to the upper right corner of the scope display. And the idea here, when tweaking the azimuth, is to try and obtain the skinniest and most accurate 45° , lower left to upper right, bushy line you can. That yields the best overall azimuth alignments since, not all of the gaps all line up perfectly with each other, vertically. This is referred to as " GAP SCATTER ". That's why you can't just use 2 or 4 tracks. It'll be close just not as close. I'll leave the different methods of biasing and other alignment procedures, until another day. I figure going to be sick? Scotty, ya really should repost this the right way. Start with the de-magnetizing, please. Pretty please. And clean the heads top to bottom not side to side. No! DON'T PLAY WITH THE MASTER BIAS OSCILLATOR LEVEL ! Only a hack would do that as a quick way to align record to a different tape formulation. No. NO! You may actually be risking blowing out your machine doing that. I've seen it happen too many times. So many bias oscillators are already running balls to the wall. Most weren't designed for these last generations of hot mastering tapes. Though Studer A-800's & later machines and Ampex ATR-100/124's, got plenty of current to spare. That's why it's indicated as a onetime critical adjustment, with test equipment like AC volt meters and oscilloscopes, distortion analyzers. That is just not smart. That's supremely incompetent and lazy. It doesn't take but 10 minutes to tweak record on a 24 track machine. If you don't have that time to do that? You're in the wrong business. I'm sorry if this seems rather terse. But when you're trying to show the whole world how to do it the wrong way...? You're doing more harm than good. You're not part of the tea bagger party are ya? I hope not? Those folks are as accurate as the Bible. Not. I actually had to inform J. McKnight, the owner of MRL Labs, that he had made a mistake, making the alignment tapes one month, for Scully. He called me every name in the book. Then he called me back the next day at the factory to apologize. I had been correct, that he had made a change, in the making of the calibration tapes, that was inaccurate. It caused all the machines to not meet playback specifications with brand-new test tapes. The thing that specifications with the old worn-out test tapes. What's that tell ya? I know what I'm talking about. That's what. Mx. Remy Ann David Former Quality Control Manager Scully/Ampro Recording Instruments www.crowmobile.com [email protected] 202-239-7412 (answering service)
@RemyRAD
@RemyRAD 10 жыл бұрын
That's practically a How To book, I wrote ! Sheesh... If you want to know how to align the machine properly? I'm going to have to charge ya LOL. No... I won't. But I would like to share accurate information. Come on guys, you've got to get this right.
@ohmrecording
@ohmrecording 10 жыл бұрын
wow, as I said below "we welcome all knowledge here to help folks out". We're not claiming to be the ultimate masters of tape recording and alignment procedures like you seem to be, just trying to be helpful and when we made this video we could find almost no information online about the process. As someone nearing 40 I do appreciate being called "kid" though :) Your comment here in it's entirety for people to reference and take from it what they will. thanks
@RemyRAD
@RemyRAD 10 жыл бұрын
Well Scott, you should be commended for your efforts. But not de-Demagnetizing your heads first, it is like not zipping up your fly. But everyone forgets to do that once in a while LOL. Here is some trivial and useless technical information regarding analog recorders. Many of us, before the digital days, would schlep out big, heavy, Ampex & Scully's. And I'm going to describe why demagnetizing your heads are so important.Scott Oliphant When we went out to do on location recordings, if your machine is transported east or west? You'll have no problems. But... if you're heading up and down I-95, going north or south, it has a tendency to magnetize the playback head. It might be ever so slight but... the damage will still be done. You can't get it back when it's gone. Certainly not like file recovery software LOL. Which is another reason why cassette players in cars always added noise to your tapes. The engine and ignition system is a substantial source of electromagnetism. So that didn't help, either. 40? Ya I guess ya wouldn't know? I'm over 58. When I was seven, I got to go to the big Studios, Radio & TV stations, in Detroit. I've never been the same since. I always had an incredible fascination over magnetic tape recording. So I not only ended up working for Scully, I was factory trained for all the others except for TEAC, OTARI & Studer. But when you've seen one, you've seen them all. There is also a biasing procedure, few people know about or have used. And it doesn't require a voltmeter. Only a sine wave oscillator. Though, to do this right, you need an oscillator that will go down to 10 Hz, that's ten. Not a misprint. Here's what ya do: After doing your de-magnetizing and playback alignment, you load up a fresh roll of your favorite Mastering Tape. Set your oscillator to 500 Hz at 0 VU. Roll record and monitor Repro. Making sure the level is still at 0 VU. Now you need to turn off your speakers, completely. And get a pair of headphones out. Your best headphones. You're going to monitor playback, while recording, 10 Hz. Now the recorder can't record 10 Hz, no. As much as it tries, it won't go that low. What you need to do is listen to that. Of course you can't hear 10 Hz, either. What you can hear, while trying to record 10 Hz, you'll frequently hear something we call " Bias Rocks ". You'd think with an expression like that, it would be good? It's not. You're hearing the intermodulation distortion. And the idea is to trim your bias so as to get the lowest bias rocks and " whoosh whoosh whoosh ", to a minimum. Beware, it's easy to go too high with the bias that will cause self erasure. You lose level and all your high-end. But when you get it right... you'll have the cleanest sounding tracks you've ever recorded. And especially of bass guitars. Now if ya forgot to turn down your speakers? Chances are? Your woofers, wouldn't survive it. So this is only done with headphones. I did not create this procedure. I was turned on to it by the now late John Stephens, maker of the Stephens Multi-Track Machines. Though it takes a keen ear and some getting used to. But when you do it right and reference it against 10 kHz set up, you'll generally find it matches, only better. Unfortunately, it seems to be a somewhat goofy imprecise way of seriously tweaking anything, without a volt meter and distortion analyzer. What can I say? It works. Try it. If you can't get it right? Go ahead and do your adjustment at 10 kHz. Then put your headphones on and turn down the speakers and swing that oscillator down to 10 Hz. Take a listen. And lightly rock the bias adjustment, back and forth, listening carefully, to the intermodulation distortion and bias rocks of 10 Hz. No voltmeter needed.
@llary
@llary 8 жыл бұрын
+RemyRAD someone get grandpa his pills, quick.
@Vladislaw81
@Vladislaw81 6 жыл бұрын
Why do we need to set oscillator to 500 Hz, when we need 10 Hz? Do we have to set the "0" dB level first using the 500 Hz test frequency, and then set the oscillator to 10 Hz with the same level?
@999kgb
@999kgb 10 жыл бұрын
Nice video, thanks for posting. I'd like to comment on the importance of setting azimuth. Regardless of how many tracks you're working with, from full-track mono to 2" 24, understanding how to set the record and reproduce azimuth should be mandatory. The slightest misalignment can be detrimental to what might otherwise be an excellent recording. Some might say you can "set it and forget it", but that's like saying your piano was tuned when you bought it, therefore it never needs tuning. For those new to analog tape machines, grab an xy scope and familiarize yourself with setting azimuth. Regarding bouncy tones, there can be a few reasons related to the transport to cause bouncing, but a slightly misaligned azimuth can also cause alignment tones to bounce.
@ohmrecording
@ohmrecording 10 жыл бұрын
we didn't get to azimuth, but you are correct! should be part of your overall maintenance. Not to get into too many details here, but the basic idea is to feed channel 1 and channel 16/24 (depending on headstack) to a scope and adjust the course / fine azimuth screws while playing back the appropriate tones (included on MRL tape but essentially the 1 and 10/12/16k tones or whatever.) Adjust until the tracks at either end of the head are in phase (or as close as you can get it) Record head azimuth would be a similar process but you'd be feeding tones instead of using the MRL
@325iaddict
@325iaddict 10 жыл бұрын
That's exactly the very first point I always start with. The lower the tape speed, the more the high frequencies will suffer with just the slightest misalignment of either the record or playback head... No matter how large or small the recorder is (I painstakingly adjusted my Uher Report Monitor 4200 5" reel-to-reel machine in this respect, now it even has a usable frequency responce at 1 7/8 IPS).
@brentfisher902
@brentfisher902 6 жыл бұрын
And if you are using an ordinary $25 shoebox compact cassette recorder, the wrong azimuth can make a okay cheapo deck sound ear-bleedingly as bad as my Asus 10 inch IPS LCD tablet PC.
@benthemiester
@benthemiester 10 жыл бұрын
I used to hate doing this. But it was a lot easier on Studer's than those old tape machines with the pixel sticks.
@itdies2dayyo
@itdies2dayyo 10 жыл бұрын
Where did you guys learn how to use all of these analog machines... Please tell me lol!
@galleryofrogues
@galleryofrogues 7 жыл бұрын
artsites.ucsc.edu/EMS/music/equipment/analog_recorders/analog_recorders.html
@ChristopheNeau
@ChristopheNeau Жыл бұрын
RTFM 😂😂
@ohmrecording
@ohmrecording 11 жыл бұрын
so it goes back on the reel it came on (and your take up reel stays on the machine) better explanation here electricalaudiodotcom/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14133&start=0
@joakimjensen249
@joakimjensen249 11 жыл бұрын
Question though: if the new tape came heads out, wouldn't just playing through it, take it off the take up reel and store it be tails out? What's the benefit of flipping it over and rewinding?
@BenjaminFrock
@BenjaminFrock 2 жыл бұрын
This would put the tape on the take up reel for storage. You would typically want to store the tape on the reel that has proper labels for the tape type and the recorded contents.
@joakimjensen249
@joakimjensen249 11 жыл бұрын
Great vid.
@EmilianoCaballeroFraccaroli
@EmilianoCaballeroFraccaroli 11 жыл бұрын
BTW, you could calibrate your tapes recording a 1khz tone from your oscillator right?
@GeoAl09
@GeoAl09 11 жыл бұрын
aughhh I want this machineee
@andyk9685
@andyk9685 11 жыл бұрын
WOW ! Good job ! Thanx
@KenAinge
@KenAinge 11 жыл бұрын
What is the tone generator?
@ohmrecording
@ohmrecording 11 жыл бұрын
actually, we did align it to +6, the MRL tape we used is 355nw (+6) so setting it to 0 is "aligning it to +6". if we had a 180nw tape, we would have compensated. more here, wwwdothome.comcast.net/~mrltap­es/choo&u.pdf
@billyrayvalentine7972
@billyrayvalentine7972 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent. In the 1980s I used to run +6@0 on Ampex 456 at 30ips. The tape handled it well and the signal to noise was excellent
@compltfool
@compltfool 11 жыл бұрын
they alligned it for 0, which doesn't get much use out of the tape and has a higher noise floor..how about getting your moneys worth out of a roll of tape and hit it at +6, I recorded a few great albums while at RCA you can check out at +6 on 499, allign the playback at -6 and the record head to 0/+4 db, and that is all there is to it. the fact that the meters only go to +3 means nothing..listen to Neil Diamonds 'kentucky moon' album, it was plus 6 then dumped to D-820 Dash.pretty thick sounding
@ohmrecording
@ohmrecording 3 жыл бұрын
I know it's been 7 years, BUT, it was +6, our mrl is "355 nw fringe compensating" or however many thousands of times ive heard that. and 0 DB is "+6" . I bet you have some stories at RCA!