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@VesnaVK
@VesnaVK Күн бұрын
I love The Swerve! One of my favorite mind-blowing books. Thanks for bringing this to life in this video.
@profskmehta
@profskmehta Күн бұрын
How do you think Lucretius “know” about atoms and their behaviour? And more importantly, why do you think Europeans took this “ knowledge” seriously?
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads Күн бұрын
The thinking goes like this: take a sheet of aluminium foil. Tear it in half. Then keep tearing it in half, smaller and smaller. The Epicureans (including Lucretius) believed that eventually you would get to a point where you cannot divide the material any further. The tiny amount of material left is indivisible; an atom. This idea seemed a good possibility based on observation. All things appear to be composed of smaller particles. We eat food and it sustains us. There must be particles in the food that are useful to the particles in our bodies. Water seeps through invisibly small fractures in cave walls. Water must therefore be invisibly small too. Competing ideas did not readily comply with these common observations.
@profskmehta
@profskmehta Күн бұрын
@@Dr.Johnreads The idea that you cannot spit any piece of matter for ever is very very old. A Hindu Rishi called Kanaad proposed it long time back. But it was just a belief. No proof was ever provided. So why Lucretius’ idea was taken seriously? There are other points too, like random movement in mostly empty space. How did a very closed minded society (controlled by the church) ever allowed this idea to flourish?
@hughcards
@hughcards 2 күн бұрын
The Swerve is a great book.
@fortunatomartino8549
@fortunatomartino8549 3 күн бұрын
This is a great explanation of the thought process from the Renaissance on
@alenbacco7613
@alenbacco7613 4 күн бұрын
Very nice, thank you for this.
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 3 күн бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@SeiroosFardipour-wf4bi
@SeiroosFardipour-wf4bi 6 күн бұрын
Tell us also about Leibnitz and other thinkers who just before renaissance went in Asia binary logic, Algorithm,maths from Egypt,and India,but not only,let the world know we are brothers and sisters and like atoms interact, exchanges,and learn one from another.Not still persisting vision that all I have is mine and all you have is mine too including your integrity
@SeiroosFardipour-wf4bi
@SeiroosFardipour-wf4bi 6 күн бұрын
There at last something that make sense ❤
@bryandraughn9830
@bryandraughn9830 6 күн бұрын
"I told him we've already got one!" 😅 Great video! As much as I'm aware of the fact that we have no evidence of a purpose or importance as sentient beings, I also get the impression that the universe allowed a path for such beings to occur. Even if we are the result of a purely statistical arrangement of atoms, there are so many more ways for us not to exist, it's one hell of a fluke. One could say there was a 100% probability that we would come to exist and we are the evidence, but we know that the wave function never predicts a 100% probability for anything. There's a fundamental uncertainty beneath our most successful model of physics and that uncertainty is NECESSARY for the occurrence of sentient beings where the determinism drops off. The fact that we exist combined with the function of our minds indicates not 1, but 2 extraordinarily unlikely events in the same place at the same time. I'm sure that I cannot imagine exactly how the universe turned out this way, I only think that it's doubley unlikely given the scale of what we are able to observe.
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 6 күн бұрын
Thanks! ☺️
@bryandraughn9830
@bryandraughn9830 6 күн бұрын
​@@Dr.Johnreads Sry about the long edit but you really got me thinking! Thank YOU!
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 5 күн бұрын
I’m glad you added more to your comment! The real purpose of the video is to provoke these kinds of discussions and thoughts. You’re absolutely right about the infinitesimal odds against our existence in the state we are, and it’s probably worthy of another video! Hmm. I’m thinking about that now.
@ramiroaka9
@ramiroaka9 9 күн бұрын
Can i find a copy of that book as originally written ?
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 9 күн бұрын
Link in description.
@ramiroaka9
@ramiroaka9 9 күн бұрын
@@Dr.Johnreads thank you
@ramiroaka9
@ramiroaka9 9 күн бұрын
@@Dr.Johnreads would you like to know how they though about these “atoms”?
@fortunatomartino8549
@fortunatomartino8549 3 күн бұрын
@@ramiroaka9 I'd like to know
@ramiroaka9
@ramiroaka9 3 күн бұрын
@@fortunatomartino8549 i think this is how they got the ideea :Close one eye the other keep it almost close letting a little bit of light to enter and try to see the bacteria in your tear floating on your eye
@intellectually_lazy
@intellectually_lazy 9 күн бұрын
i can speak. omg, it feels so good. i'm back, youtube
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 10 күн бұрын
CORRECTION: Galileo wasn’t executed, but imprisoned and then put under house arrest for the remaining decade of his life.
@BonnyLopez-on6yy
@BonnyLopez-on6yy 8 күн бұрын
Very glad that you've made this correction!
@daddygad
@daddygad 10 күн бұрын
There are too many things wrong with what you are saying to enumerate them, but almost every one of these "implications" has now been de-bunked by more cutting edge science. Continuing to cling to these ideas as "smart" or "enlightened" is now more akin to buying into a life-style brand than it is a product of rational or critical thought.
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 10 күн бұрын
Lucretius really did write as I have reported, particularly the implications - which are all his, not mine. I have only reported on his writings and nowhere did I address how his beliefs are “clinged to” today. My video explores how his writing influenced thinkers in the Renaissance and Enlightenment directly, and later scientists more indirectly. This is a history video, not a lifestyle or even science video.
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 10 күн бұрын
Oh, and if I have reported anything incorrectly about what Lucretius wrote, please let me know. I would hate my video to have inaccuracies. Thanks
@jonathanengdahl9045
@jonathanengdahl9045 10 күн бұрын
@@Dr.Johnreads Galileo was never executed. That statement alone makes your supposed knowledge of history highly questionable
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 10 күн бұрын
Thanks for the heads up! I’m happy to write a correction comment. This is how peer review works ☺️
@bryandraughn9830
@bryandraughn9830 6 күн бұрын
"Enumeration" =1😅
@AntonyAsks
@AntonyAsks 10 күн бұрын
Well done this is a fantastic video
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 10 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@bryandraughn9830
@bryandraughn9830 6 күн бұрын
I'm hooked!
@jameswight6259
@jameswight6259 10 күн бұрын
Definitely going to try this. Thanks!
@savannahshepherd2283
@savannahshepherd2283 10 күн бұрын
Wow ive heard, studied, and have read so much. This is absolutely incredible and im mindblown that this isnt more well known and spoken about. Ive never heard of Lucretious or seen a video anywhere about him! 😅😊
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 10 күн бұрын
It’s quite a story isn’t it? Glad you enjoyed.
@bryandraughn9830
@bryandraughn9830 6 күн бұрын
Sean Carroll, a physicist and philosopher mentions him, but doesn't go into this kind of depth. Talk about an astounding visionary!
@tardman8250
@tardman8250 10 күн бұрын
Great video👍
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 10 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@abdirahmanadena201
@abdirahmanadena201 10 күн бұрын
Really enjoyed this man good job. Glad the algorithm is working in ur favor
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 10 күн бұрын
Much appreciated!
@valdmertheii1354
@valdmertheii1354 10 күн бұрын
I actually spoke to Greenblatt while he was doing a book tour for the swerve. I talked to him backstage and asked him a question in the audience... Silly to me now, but then I was young and asked if it was possible to predict when Humanity was about to make a sudden swerve, by studying history and it's patterns (I was quite obsessed with chaos theory and myths telling stories in circular time). I wondered whether it was possible, by studying our history (the stories we tell ourselves of it), to tell when humanity was about to make a sudden shift from an system of order, to one of chaos. The theory being that you could see a buildup of tension by the increasing rigidity of polarities (much like we have in the world right now)... Anyway, a wonderful book!
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 10 күн бұрын
That’s not a silly question! You certainly do see the polarities become more rigidly binary and I think we can sense the tensions build toward something shifting again. His more recent book on Tyrants is a voice of warning, so perhaps you might have prompted his thinking more than you realise?
@valdmertheii1354
@valdmertheii1354 10 күн бұрын
@@Dr.Johnreads Hmm, maybe. I'll have to check out Tyrant then. Thank you for recommending it. I think he was correct in that you cannot determine exactly when or what may exactly happen, but you can certainly see a system stressed and pushed towards change. I mean that is the whole point of chaos theory, to map out the borders of order and chaos. Problem is, in real life there are so many variables and therefore the challenge in discovering the deterministic ones are high, making the borders blurry.
@13krava
@13krava 12 күн бұрын
Nice video man, great topic and you do it justice.
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 12 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@funkbungus137
@funkbungus137 15 күн бұрын
I liked this a lot, thanks for making it!
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 15 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@theodderotter6635
@theodderotter6635 15 күн бұрын
Frank Zappa reference
@datguyfoss3915
@datguyfoss3915 16 күн бұрын
The work becomes elevated beyond simple "bad" status when an artist is able to maintain their sincerity in the face of opposition. A lot of this art is incredibly genuine even it isn't coherent or competent. The spirit of true creativity is often just as celebrated as mastery of the craft.
@neurokodama
@neurokodama 16 күн бұрын
The absolute best genius of bad art is Faraón Love Shady, the ultimate reggaeton musician
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 16 күн бұрын
I’ll check it out
@13krava
@13krava 16 күн бұрын
Here’s a comment for the algorithm my man.
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 16 күн бұрын
Bless you!
@rivetace
@rivetace 16 күн бұрын
13:07 Good bad art breaks table legs too, apparently :p
@CatBountry
@CatBountry 17 күн бұрын
Neil Breen is the purest version of a bad artist. He insists that he is a very serious artist but his fanbase is entirely composed of people who think his movies are bad. But they're wonderfully bad. Fascinatingly bad. Bad in a way that could only be made by this particular man. "Fateful Findings" is a disasterpiece. I love it.
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 17 күн бұрын
I’ll check out this ‘disasterpiece’ (love that expression btw).
@Enjoyurble
@Enjoyurble 17 күн бұрын
My only pushback is the idea of someone writing, directing, starring in, producing, distributing, casting, catering, and self-funding their own movie is so insane and that he didn't start doing any of it until 47 so out there that the "art" that is his life in general is at least a part of what people are drawn to. Like, just look at the crew credits for The Room versus Double Down. Considering the types of movies he chooses to make, it's kind of ridiculous he's managed to finish one, let alone six. It's like he's trying to do the Roger Corman model without understanding that Roger Corman understood the importance of delegating and finding good collaborators. But at the same time, if he's telling the truth, he's managed to profit off of every movie with his own version of that model.
@CatBountry
@CatBountry 16 күн бұрын
@@Enjoyurble Love that for him, One of the auteurs of our modern age.
@ethanbell6762
@ethanbell6762 6 күн бұрын
All will bow to the one true Breenius of our time
@davidbarton1928
@davidbarton1928 18 күн бұрын
Les Dawson and his piano. Likewise that sketch with Morecambe & Wise featuring 'Andre Preview'. And especially Tommy Cooper. They weren't obliviously bad while being convinced of their genius like The Queen's Poet, Florence Jenkins and Tommy Wiseau. They set out to redefine being bad by conventional artistic standards into something new and sublime. I think there is a difference.
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 18 күн бұрын
Good point.
@penelopegreene
@penelopegreene 18 күн бұрын
I used to use Thopas/Topaz as a pen name because I always felt my poetry was bad! 😁
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 18 күн бұрын
Haha brilliant
@penelopegreene
@penelopegreene 18 күн бұрын
@@Dr.Johnreads you're no doubt a Chaucer fan!
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 17 күн бұрын
@@penelopegreene In troth I am
@ebonyway9612
@ebonyway9612 22 күн бұрын
13:36 one exception that comes to mind is the now dead art of “trollfiction”, which was a parody of badly written fanfiction. it was both so-bad-it’s-good and deliberately written to be that way. many people still fondly remember “my immortal” for example.
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 19 күн бұрын
Very interesting!
@AlexmaxPL
@AlexmaxPL 23 күн бұрын
What's the clip at 5:18 from? Great video by the way.
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 22 күн бұрын
Thanks! The clip is from a brilliant project by some students at De Montfort University who rendered London pre-Great Fire as part of the Crytek Off The Map project.
@richiehoyt8487
@richiehoyt8487 23 күн бұрын
It is a bit of a cliché to describe something So Bad Its Good as 'Comedy Gold' but that, to my mind, is exactly what Country singer Red Sovine's 1976 hit 'Teddy Bear' is. While I would not describe it as being deliberately _bad,_ which would rather disqualify it, it is without doubt a cynical hack job that _definitely_ sniggers in the face of its audience. If Liberace famously "Cried all the way to the bank" (brilliant!), Red unquestionably laughed like a drain. His tale, told from the point of view of a gold hearted trucker trawling for contacts on the CB radio in his cab, relates the story of a crippled×, orphaned urchin whose one joy in life is to converse with -lorr- passing truckers on his late dad's old CB rig, against the wishes of his mother who doesn't want him bothering these knights of the road, and whose Christmases all come at once one day after the brave little soldier chokes out his memories of riding high in the cab of his pop's 18 - wheeler, keeping him company. That's all finished now, of course, with his dad gone. Unable to play because of his legs, his only friends are the truckers he raises on that CB. Well, sho' nuff' that noble traveller gets the waifs address and puts the pedal to the metal as, schedule be damned, he will show our little waif a good time -- but, SPOILER ALERT! Every trucker for miles around has descended on 2233 Evergreen Terrace (or wherever it is) where they are queueing up for their chance to bring the kid (handle, I kid you not, 'Teddy Bear') for rides around the county... I mean, the song couldn't even be made today - one doesn't have to have a dirty mind, or even a particularly jaded worldview to cop to the fact that it plays like it's the set up for a kiddie fiddlers fantasy in the same way that if we saw some 'stud' type delivering pizzas to a sorority house full of 'babes' engaged in a pillow fight, who have mislaid their pocket books, it would be a fair bet that this is not a work by Tarkovsky or Bergman! The song has everything; tragic, disabled Tiny Tim (the Dickens one!) figure, _check!_ In fact, iirc, the lad isn't just crippled; in his own words, "He won't be around much longer" - talk about trowelling it on! Parent cruelly snatched away, _check!_ The struggling, sainted widow, _check!_ the wayfaring stranger with a noble heart, _check!_ heroic cast of extras, sure thing! Liberal use of latest fad or gew~gaw (citizens' band radio) - absolutely! The fact that the song dominated the top 10 on both sides of the Atlantic for a good year suggested that Red's many subscribers weren't buying the song out of an appreciation for kitsch or an appreciation for a certain type of irony, they bought into the song 100%, hook, line & sinker; and, nearly 50 years later, the gushing comments on the song's KZbin page suggest much the same. I would surmise there were 3 types of people who were, in the main, buying the record; sentimental housewives of the kind that keep those lurid penny dreadful "My Baby was Born with No Head" and "Why I married the Man who 7aped Me and Set Me on Fire!" Magazines in business; (are they a 'thing' in the States? Obviously they have their own tabloids featuring 'Elvis, Back From the Grave", and "Trump Colluding with Gray Aliens to Steal Election" - type headlines, but their UK counterparts, like Lileth, demand carnage!) Secondly, (I contend) there were those rather tragic sorts of old person who turn a blind eye to the near~blatant thieving of their grandchildren for the purposes of subsidizing gambling debts or drug habits, so desperate are they for company; and who use their welfare cheques to enrich kleptocratic, philandering tele~evangelists; and lastly - truck drivers; well, natch! What _is_ it with truck drivers anyway, the American ones in particular?! Yes, it's true they have a hard and skilled job and I'm sure they do deserve better pay and conditions, and yes, if they wanted they could shut down the economy more or less overnight - but _boy,_ do they ever have an inflated idea of themselves (this is confirmed in the comments on the songs KZbin 'page'.) And Americans buy into this - just check out an American on meeting a trucker - they almost perceptibly stiffen and go into "Thank You for Your Service" mode, which the truck drivers seem to accept as their due. I don't necessarily agree with the way we rank and value jobs anyway, but I don't seem to see bus or train drivers get this sort of acclaim, or even pilots, or for that matter, _doctors!_ 'Influencers' and celebrities, mind you? Probably better you don't even get me started! At least ol' Red, unlike C.W. 'Convoy' McColl (if that _is_ his real name!), was, as far as I'm aware, a bona fide trucker, if that means anything. I think I've sufficiently - more than sufficiently - explained and enumerated 'Teddy Bear's inadvertently comic attributes, but why, you may wonder, the vitriol for the song, or, indeed truckers? Could it be that, having lost a leg, and having once entertained the ambition of having a career as a lorry driver myself, and even a more than passing interest in things 'radio', the song bears uncomfortable parallels with my own life? Might it be that this is a case of The 'Lady' that "Protesteth Too Much"?! Not a chance! I utterly reject that assertion! Pure Co~incidence... This song _stinks..._ but it stinks like expensive French cheese! Given the sorts of people drawn to this video, I say, listen to the song and I defy you to keep a straight face! ×'Crippled' - notwithstanding that I'm the sort of person who prefers to call a spade a spade, given that I've lost one leg and am in the process of losing the other by degrees, I think I'm allowed to use that word!
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 19 күн бұрын
I’ll check out Red’s song, thanks for the recommendation and analysis!
@richiehoyt8487
@richiehoyt8487 19 күн бұрын
@@Dr.Johnreads HaHa! Cool... 'Analysis'? Thesis, more like, unfortunately. I waffled on so much, I'm half surprised you read to the end! I just hope that after building it up (by which I mean, running it down) so much, it lives up to the hype!
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 16 күн бұрын
What a cheesy brilliant masterpiece!
@richiehoyt8487
@richiehoyt8487 16 күн бұрын
@@Dr.Johnreads Isn't it though?! 😂 ps - I'm quite flattered that you went to the bother of listening to my recommendation for yourself, thank you.
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 16 күн бұрын
I’m new to this KZbin thing, and one of the aspects I’m enjoying the most is the interactions with good folks like yourself who took the time to watch my little video and make comments and suggestions. It’s really why I’m doing this, so thanks for your input. I just might find a way to use Red’s song in a future video!
@VesnaVK
@VesnaVK 24 күн бұрын
Tiny Tim was a wonderful performer. He had a unique camp persona that he executed brilliantly. You might not care for it, but he does not belong as am example of so bad it's good, no more than, say, Andy Kaufman.
@Enjoyurble
@Enjoyurble 16 күн бұрын
Yeah, the idea that Tiny Tim is so bad he's good is completely inaccurate. He had a fantastic vocal range, but because he was different and chose to play the ukelele people treated him like a joke and a novelty. It's like saying Susan Boyle was so bad she was good. They didn't fit within what normal people's expectations of what a singer was, but they're insanely talented.
@VesnaVK
@VesnaVK 16 күн бұрын
@@Enjoyurble this is the first time I even heard that people thought this about Tiny Tim. Seemed obvious that he was doing a persona. 🤯
@Enjoyurble
@Enjoyurble 16 күн бұрын
@@VesnaVK Yeah, I worded that incredibly poorly. My impression was that even though he was doing a performance/persona he absolutely did not set out to make or believe he was making "bad" music. Like, he may have been doing a performance like Weird Al, but he also wanted/hoped his music was taken seriously.
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 16 күн бұрын
It seems my decision to add a clip of Tiny Tim during a section where I’m talking about performers who fall outside the norms of polished delivery has drawn some criticism! I think the same could be said of the magician Tommy Cooper, who I also included. My intention was to widen the conversation about good/bad art and why it is of interest and to draw some parallels with both avant-garde art and performers like Tiny Tim. I agree that it wouldn’t be accurate to say he’s an example of ‘so-bad-it’s-good’, and I’m sorry my video gave that impression. I just think there is a similar dynamic involved: subverting expectations, redefining the norms, and challenging notions of what we are supposed to like. Nevertheless, I am enjoying the discussion here, and I’m grateful for your comments, much of which I agree with.
@VesnaVK
@VesnaVK 24 күн бұрын
8:55 wait... does Dr. John not know that Prince Harry's book IS bad? Has he not read it? The book is bad, bad, bad, in so many ways. It doesn't even quite manage to be so bad it's good, unlike his wife's podcast.
@futurestoryteller
@futurestoryteller 24 күн бұрын
After watching this, I like to amuse myself with the mere possibility however minute, that if there _is_ such a thing as reincarnation William McGonagall could legitimately be the reincarnated Shakespeare, with brain damage.
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 24 күн бұрын
An interesting proposition! He *did* write a play (which I didn’t get on to) which was staged in the 2000s I believe.
@chriswest8389
@chriswest8389 24 күн бұрын
I enjoy kitch poetry with a lot of melodrama thrown it. You can’t beat Mark Twains ‘ The Tombstone schoolyard.’
@tinkergnomad
@tinkergnomad 25 күн бұрын
I have a lot of insubstantial reasons why I love the 'gloriously bad,' but the reason I've I keep coming back to is they serve as an artistic palete cleanser. I love your perspective on this. First time viewer, and definitely subscribiing.
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 25 күн бұрын
That’s a great point: the artistic palate cleanser. I love that. Thanks so much, and thank you for subscribing.
@kaimarie7823
@kaimarie7823 26 күн бұрын
What is the scene with the screaming guy and girl with the itchy trigger finger from please?
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 25 күн бұрын
It’s from the 1973 Turkish film "Kareteci Kız" (Karate Girl).
@kaimarie7823
@kaimarie7823 23 күн бұрын
@@Dr.Johnreads thank you!
@Saulman1984
@Saulman1984 26 күн бұрын
The humour bad art generates is worth the effort by creators, it shows their humanness.
@kiri5269
@kiri5269 27 күн бұрын
I never considered how similar bad art and avant garde art are in terms of how they break expectations and established rules, really interesting to think about. Good video and really cool analysis 👍
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 26 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@VesnaVK
@VesnaVK 21 күн бұрын
Good point! Example: Marcel Duchamp's "Fountain." He also made the beautiful "Nude Descending a Staircase," which proves that he can paint.
@Bigandrewm
@Bigandrewm 27 күн бұрын
Shooby Taylor.
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 26 күн бұрын
I had to google him, and wow. I’m in love. Thank you.
@Bigandrewm
@Bigandrewm 26 күн бұрын
@@Dr.Johnreads Yeah. Shooby is incredible.
@ebonyway9612
@ebonyway9612 22 күн бұрын
You should check out Irwin Chusid’s book about “outsider artists” (specifically in music) called “Songs in the Key of Z.” Shooby, Tiny Tim, and Florence Jenkins are just a few of the artists profiled in that book. Very interesting read.
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 16 күн бұрын
Great recommendation, thanks!
@superpotato3114
@superpotato3114 27 күн бұрын
Cool video
@metagen77
@metagen77 27 күн бұрын
There are a few great trolls in history. He is without a doubt pulling you in
@seigeengine
@seigeengine 27 күн бұрын
I think the issue with discussing why we like bad art is that we're really talking about many overlapping yet distinct things. Like, you use Nicholas Cage clips, and the thing is... is he a bad actor? I could agree he is, in that he doesn't adeptly portray a variety of distinct and nuanced characters... but that isn't what we're looking for from him in the first place. People are drawn to Cage for his quirks, his personality, his charisma, things that would be distorted if he did "act well." He's over the top and people love that. Jack Black is another example of this. There are a whole host of actors like this. You can say they aren't good actors, but if you shift your perspective on what it means to act, perhaps they're amazing actors, and the "good actors" are actually bad. I mean, both things are simultaneously true and not true. But then there's stuff like The Room. Works of passion, where you get the sense that the person making it really cares about what they're doing. They're really trying their hardest. They are invested. This is also a charm that you could say about a lot of early YT content. People made content that wasn't necessarily "good" but with lots of passion. This is compelling, endearing, and because they're really trying, it tends to be interesting. It's the sort of thing kids have, but people lose as they get older. What they create may be utter garbage, but they mean it wholeheartedly, and that's compelling on some level. Then there's also that some bad art is often just funny. It's over the top. It's absurd. It's parody without intentionality. Like that clip of the guy being shot. It's Austin Powers but without the creators being in on the joke. Bad art that's just bad lacks these features. The acting is poor, and you're not getting a charismatic performance. It lacks passion, and is formulaic. It's not over the top or absurd, it's just boring. There's also a class of bad content that I feel is worth mentioning. That is "offensively bad" content. For me, this is where I place creation that seems to hold it's audience in contempt. It's the creative equivalent of spitting in someone's face. But ultimately any attempt at defining these differences is just a story we're telling ourselves. These things are subjective. They don't have actual criteria. They're a vague feeling that emerges from the complexities of our minds. Asking what makes a good movie good is like asking what makes something beautiful. We can talk about it for days, and tell ourselves really compelling stories about what makes something "good bad," or beautiful, or anything similar, but at the end of the day, they're just stories. Those stories might be useful, but it's important not to confuse them as being the truth.
@cuckoobrain7999
@cuckoobrain7999 27 күн бұрын
It's more important for actors to have range when it comes to portraying emotion and motivation than range of character types
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 27 күн бұрын
Excellent points. I’m going to think about what you’ve said before making a considered response, but I do agree perspective is key. And I love the word ‘endearing’ when talking about early KZbin content. That’s so apt.
@seigeengine
@seigeengine 27 күн бұрын
@@cuckoobrain7999 Not relevant to my point. Nitpicking is a good way to be hated.
@seigeengine
@seigeengine 27 күн бұрын
@@Dr.Johnreads There is also, as you mentioned, a certain approachability to it. A YT video by one of those creators felt like something you could make if you really wanted to, in a way that a hollywood movie doesn't. It's a similar sort of charm to the B-movie. I think part of this was technological too, of course. When YT started, the gap between YT content and professional film or TV was pretty big. It looked like home-made video instead of proper film. There was a very clear quality difference that almost doesn't exist anymore.
@philipocarroll
@philipocarroll 27 күн бұрын
It's like when that guy from Equatorial Guinea swam in the 2000 Olympics. He was so bad, it looked like he might need to be rescued, it took nearly two minutes to swim 100m, the slowest time in history. But how everyone cheered when he finally reached the end without drowning!
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 27 күн бұрын
Great example! Love this. Your comment made me think about Eddie the Eagle who attempted the ski jump in the Winter Olympics.
@rhythmandblues_alibi
@rhythmandblues_alibi 22 күн бұрын
Or the time when that Aussie cyclist won because all the other cyclists stacked it. He'd been trailing behind the whole race, which is what saved him from the carnage! Us Aussies all loved that he just coasted by for the gold 😅
@seigeengine
@seigeengine 27 күн бұрын
A big factor on ratings is the filter. The less popular something is the more you know that the people who are leaving reviews are actually into that thing, whereas the more popular something is, the less that's the case. You don't buy a book of poetry by some guy known as the worst poet ever not wanting exactly what you're getting, but a good portion of people buying a really popular book are at best only casually interested, and then there's also that anything popular draws haters just to be contrarian.
@davidcourtenaycarrascogran9067
@davidcourtenaycarrascogran9067 27 күн бұрын
He may have just been conning everybody. The incident with the Queen goes to show that good poet or not he never would've mistaken the phrase "Thank you for your interest" for "Welcome on board" without a fundamental misunderstanding of the English language and its contextual usage, I suppose just as much back then as it would be nowadays. He certainly understood the English language, good poet or not. He constantly saught attention, and he certainly got it, all the way to current day.
@davidcourtenaycarrascogran9067
@davidcourtenaycarrascogran9067 27 күн бұрын
Sorry, I think the terminology today is trolling, yes, he was trolling everybody, taking the piss.
@VesnaVK
@VesnaVK 24 күн бұрын
When I was working in Hollywood, I knew a screenwriter who showed me a rejection letter he got from Roger Corman's production company. He sincerely believed it was an offer.
@davidcourtenaycarrascogran9067
@davidcourtenaycarrascogran9067 21 күн бұрын
@@VesnaVK That person may have been a screen, not so much a writer. It seems to me that writing is a difficult if not insurmountable task if one lacks a basic understanding of how the language works in speech, spoken or writen. Being dense or dilusional are other possibilities, but William McGonagall doesn't strike me as having suffered from any of those ailments.
@VesnaVK
@VesnaVK 21 күн бұрын
@@davidcourtenaycarrascogran9067 you think McG couldn't have been delusional?
@davidcourtenaycarrascogran9067
@davidcourtenaycarrascogran9067 20 күн бұрын
@@VesnaVK Well, that certainly is a posibility, but I get the impression he knew what he was doing. I don't know much about the subject and haven't rewatched the video, but certain actions and decisions he made lead me to believe there was somebody at the proverbial wheel. But, you're right, he most certainly could have suffered from some sort of mental illness and/or cognitive impairment. The honest answer is I don't know.
@magnusmcgee993
@magnusmcgee993 27 күн бұрын
Please remember that magician Tommy Cooper 11:14 , deliberately performed badly.
@Mai-Gninwod
@Mai-Gninwod 27 күн бұрын
Now this guy. THIS guy was definitely autistic
@phil7144
@phil7144 27 күн бұрын
This guys poetry is nowhere near as bad as the garbage Alistair Crowley wrote🤷
@yourusernamecanfly
@yourusernamecanfly 27 күн бұрын
I feel like 'good bad art' is similar to camp art, in the way that both are earnest executions of ideas in an unconventional manner. One point that the RedLetterMedia guys often mention, is that a good bad movie is one that keeps finding new and interesting ways to be bad; but an actually bad movie is bad in a consistent way.
@Dr.Johnreads
@Dr.Johnreads 27 күн бұрын
Excellent point. Good bad art allows space for the audience to engage with it in interesting ways. I think that’s why good bad movies always build communities among admirers. The conversation becomes about how each person has found things of interest, and sharing those with others.