Thanks! Once I've got a few more octaves of this design printed out I'll be able to put some practice time in and upload some playing examples =)

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Janko layouts don't differentiate between enharmonic equivalents. This is an advantage in one sense, since you can choose which "version" of a note to hit depending on which one is most comfortable for the finger you want to use. But it's a disadvantage for me, since I'm into microtonal music and things like that, where the enharmonic equivalents can have different pitches, and so need to be differentiated between. (When put over a standard keyboard, those different notes on the overlay still trigger the same underlying key, but hypothetically an instrument could be built that differentiates between them.)

@@JLMoriart Microtonal music layout does have that disadvantage for Janko keyboards. Thank you for your response.

That's right. It's still parametric, so you can change the values of various measurements to fit different underlying keyboards or to change some parts of the design, but it's not near as versatile as what I built with Java+OpenSCAD.

Good point!

Thanks for watching! =)

Thanks! =)

xD It's probably worth pointing out that the OnShape design doesn't have the same modularity as the openSCAD+java design did. But being able to click "fillet" and then click an edge is magical, and easily worth the tradeoff.

Looks doable, you'd just need the dimensions of the keyboard. (Height of black keys, depth of white keys, depth of black keys, octave width)

Haha nice. Q: How do you get a janko player to stop playing? A: Take away their row indicators

I'm guessing it's possible, but I'm not really a janko guy so I can't say for sure. There are some things (like pentatonic/diatonic glissandi) that are definitely impossible to replicate from traditional keyboard layouts, but I'm often pleasantly surprised how well experience with a traditional keyboard translates to isomorphic keyboards.

@@JLMoriart thanks, John. I’m probably too set in my ways to learn something so radically different. I admire you that you can be adaptable and make it work. It took me the longest time just to get used to a page turn device for my iPad, but it’s second nature now and I use my knee instead of the foot. It’s attached to the underside of the keyboard. My own invention. That way I can use my feet on three pedals and not sacrifice them to turn pages.

Thank you for the productive and thoughtful feedback

not even talking that fast lol

Yes, that's correct. To me, that's a good thing, because I don't want to add more accidentals. You can reach all the notes in 31 using a chain of fifths, which allows you to notate all notes using standard notation. And if I'm using diatonic/chromatic/super-chromatic "structures" melodically, those spellings carry more "meaning" in the context of those scales. But if you want to think in terms of half accidentals, it is of course a bad thing =P I think there are other plugins that implement/recognize new accidentals though?

@@JLMoriart, thanks for verifying that. I certainly don’t (yet at least), know whether there are plugins that recognize half-accidentals. I presume Musescore has half-accidental symbols? I probably would use Dorico instead if I can’t. In my view, triads are, by definition, written in thirds. C-Dx is a double-augmented second and C-Fbb is a double-diminished fourth. There’s no obvious reason to comprehend either as neutral thirds.

@@mr88cet Start looking here maybe? It's been a while. musescore.org/en/project/accidental-tuner Triads are defined by thirds, but whether chords necessarily have to be "triadic" is another question ;-)

Thanks for the suggestion! The program is a mess, but someone ambitious could probably implement that using the programs I used to create these designs. See my video "Create your own 3D printable isomorphic keyboard overlays!" Worth noting that large intervals have to be stretched very far left-to-right, so some layouts are hard to keep recognizable as an overlay.

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@@JLMoriart so meaningful, each interval

Thanks!

Wouldn't really consider that in the same realm

@@chadgetjajet7033 I have since learned that the real similarity to pursue is 41EDO being very close to quintupled Bohlen-Pierce.

@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio Wonder if anyone's ever tried combining a Kite guitar with BP scales and melodies

@@chadgetjajet7033 I don't know, but the Xenharmonic Wiki lists some Kite Guitar recordings and videos at the end of their 41EDO article, so I'm going to have to check some of them out.

Probably has to do with many microtonal folks focusing more on "texture" and "pushing boundaries" than making something that will appeal to the average music listener. Listen to some serialist composers and you may get a similar vibe. Are you looking for recommendations of microtonal music that doesn't sound like this?