i agree with the sage. Can't effect change without being a nuisance

Ok. At first I was with you until I thought about it. If it's not needed, what's your problem with them not using it? Did you die? Were there issues that arose? I mean what was the effect? You didn't make that clear other than Healer didn't do the thing I think they should. I don't use the bell or wings often as WHM ..why? Cause I don't need to. That's it. If a tank said I should use them for no reason? That's just being bossy.

@@MekareP That's not the point..not doing your job as a healer at all just to be a pain isn't getting a point across. As I said, they could of put the spell on a DPS..but they just didn't want to do anything and would of rather gotten a free carry through the dungeon. What she did is griefing..not making a point.

For real, I didn't think it was that bad, until I looked at dmg logs. Then I saw Picto where you'd usually see BLM and I was like holy shit. I'd put Picto ahead of SMN/RDM sure, but for them to be edging out some of the Melee DPS is insane.

That’s why I haven’t picked it up yet. It intimidates me. One thing Zepla mentioned in her media tour video was that the damage output is crazy, so while painting seems like a waste of time, its output is commensurate to the cast times. As far as jobs, some people feel Picto is slightly overturned, but it is a higher output job right now. All speculation on my part because I haven’t touched it. But my guess is always be pressing buttons. Don’t stand there and you’ll be too dog if you know your basic rotation on it. Idk. Lol

you're supposed to paint before the muses come off cooldown (and outside of buff windows)

@@crowevil4658 of course motifs are going to be a DPS gain, otherwise no one would ever use them using the living motif as an example, 2 casts will give you 2 living muses that are worth 1100 potency each, and a mog of ages that's 1300 all added, you get 3500 potency for 8 seconds worth of GCDs, which is around 430 potency per second for reference: thunder in magenta and comet in black are 880 potency over 3,3 seconds - which is 266/second

I was able to find lots of moments during ex1, I feel like encounters in DT accommodate picto's gameplay

I know casual tanks that have said, “I don’t have provoke on my hotbar.” Like what!?

@@crowevil4658 there's no AOE provoke though

there's no challenge to it, it's just a matter of gear an overgeared DPS not being allowed to attack because they got an undergeared tank in roullette is terrible design

I agree with you. I've noticed the aggro change but we adjusted and it's fine. I think they should leave it as is.

For fuck sake, know what you're talking about first. Viper is perfectly fine even if you don't do the positionals, because they are only a minimal potency increase. If you don't want to, don't do it. And, it's not like there's no other jobs easier for you to play with. Viper almost play itself, remove it's positional and you will fall asleep!

@@Sephirothll Found one! This is one of the ones I was talking about in my last paragraph. "Just don't do the positionals" is a stupid answer. No other way to say it. If they're "perfectly fine" without them then it shouldn't matter if they aren't there and if they are and you aren't doing them, you aren't playing your job correctly.

@@Sephirothll there isn’t a hard penalty to missing your directional requirements, only not hitting the next proc. As for data, FFlogs has Viper at its lowest output aligned to mid-range for half the DPS available (for now). So theoretically, even if you only hit 1/3 of your directional requirements, then your output will likely be higher than most other jobs at average performance. I only bring up FFlogs for one reason, output. I’ve said this countless times before - output only ever matters for DPS checks. If a team collectively clears DPS checks, then it doesn’t matter what color your team’s parse or individual parse is. The colors come with practice and familiarity with the content. And a majority of this content, the checks are only relevant to Savage and above (or Ex on min iLv). It’s too early to rely on any data and the devs shouldn’t take action just yet. Players need to deal with Viper as is for another month or two, at least until a few weeks into the first tier of savage to see how community sentiment changes and how the job plays against the most difficult content available. This adjustment is reactionary and risks an over correction. This outcry lends itself to why WHM no longer has Cleric Stance, and why the game can mostly function without healers on casual content, resulting in a “strike.” Large groups of players raise concerns about difficulty when often they can just spend a few minutes with a striking dummy to understand their inputs, resulting in overly-accessible game play. It’s a balancing act, sure, but AST is all but ruined now, BLM is in a weird ass spot, and now the most fun aspect of Viper is in jeopardy. We really need to be careful with how we as a community provides feedback because the current state of the game is a result of the feedback over the last several years - coming soon, dps strike, look forward to it.

If repositioning every 3 gcds is bad for out put, then every melee has this problem. Monk, Ninja and Sam has positionals on their 3rd combo step. Reaper is moving back and forth with gibbet and gallows. Drg is arguably the best by your definition but man Drg is pretty damn busy atm. GRANTED, back to viper, I find it a pain to reposition while hitting all the "continuations". Could be my keybind issue. But you shouldnt be ignoring positionals. The low potency increase is moreso just less punishing if you miss it due to unfortunate boss turning.

@@25xxfrostxx Jobs aren't only about damage. If they where literaly everyone would just play the highest dps and every other one would be left on the dust. No, Viper is not perfectly fine without positionals, where did I say that? Positionals are there to be a reward for those who get to do them, NOT AS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE JOB TO BE PERFECTLY FINE. Don't like positionals, don't do them, they are not meant for the likes of you.

It's generally a bit confusing at first, especially if you just stare at your hot bar full of new similar sounding abilities at lvl80. But if you go through them, one at a time, from the start and piece things together, you see it come together. The easiness most creators are most likely describing is how, once you have things set up, you see how the viper gauge and buttons lighting up basically guide you through the weaving 1-2 combo. If you go through it slowly then you see most of the skills just come in pairs of two, you either go left or right, most of the time it doesn't matter which way you go, but if it does then just press the only one that's highlighted. It's simple but does take some focus to get going and to hit the fast positionals, but I think that's what sets it apart from other classes. Some people find the hyper charge window on MCH annoying or even impossible to play due to high latency, but that's the job. I hate the rng abilities on BRD and DNC, but I would be upset if they changed that for players like me, cause I'm just not going to play the job and I know others enjoy those classes that way.

Play another job

@@abe9090 I can’t full sympathize or empathize with this. Wouldn’t new players be playing ARR or HW? If they used a story skip, then, you know, that’s by their own design. Wouldn’t it? If you mean, “new player” as in one that finished MSQ up to Dawntrail naturally within the last year, then okay, a little more understanding. Although, I’d hope that they’d have at least picked up a melee dps at some point in their journey. Having not touched a DRG or MNK for example could make for a bad time on VPR, but, again, the job spoon feeds players with procs.

a new player wouldn't be at level 80 though the only problem i have with viper is that the OGCDs are very clunky with mid-high ping

Do the first Viper quest, the game teaches you. That and watch a guide

It’s easy once you discover the skills are all duplications of one another but with different positional requirements. Everything else is spoon fed to you.

@@yamchayaku the timers and gauges are mostly irrelevant. The job procs your next hit based on those timers, so you rarely have to check them. When you get your burst, you do need to check that all your timers are up, but the end timers are so far out, that if you input immediately after applying the last, you are usually good to go. Other than that, hitting your directional requirements for maximum output, which won’t kill your performance if you miss a few. I hardly think there is a player that consistently misses all of them. If they are, it’s intentional or they haven’t given any real effort to understand the job. Literally, if you refuse to move from rear for example, then you’ll hit 50% of the reqs. Lol

This is me as well! I have Viper level 98 currently and have a comfortable enough rotation layed out but I feel like im look at my hotbars so much im barely paying attention to anything else lol super fun DPS though hope they don't change to much

@@ENGRtube I feel like the community is overreacting too early. I’m sure with practice, I’ll get it. I’ve been tanking all content for two expansions. It’s a learning curve for sure, but this is exactly it. I have no concerns, if anything, give me one more True North Charge if only for the bosses that spin themselves around on their own and frequently.

that’s honestly a skill issue

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