@silverback.. which vr headset do you use???

I’m shocked by these flaws for this price point. Thank you for this review.

Most of the negatives can be solved by placing the stick in the proper position for flight sims. Between your legs, like on the actual aircraft. These are designed to ‘sim’ulate reality not for ergonomics or comfort

this guy works in stupid if a quick action clamp is too much effort n a faff, then hangs his stick upside down, bet thats getting a bigger deadzone by the day, then look at the struggle to roll between the legs, if he pulls 9g he will pinch his bollox the muppet

Thank you. Great! Can’t wait for mine. It’s like I’m getting an F18.

20:00 That's not how DirectInput operates, and what you said is impossible. It's an Discord issue, they should look for the correct PID (Product ID) associeated with that button press, just like any other app/game does.

having a really horrendous job trying to download SimmApp Pro. Eventually got my antivirus to allow me to open the page with the download link but when I download the program, its continually finding viruses. I've given up trying to download it.

My problem with DCS downloaded is that it never offers the option to choice a drive. It just goes auto to my D drive. Very annoying

Just picked up the Orion 2, and pleased to report most of the issues have been fixed, at least partially.

Thank you for your very detailed video.

Nice! I love it when it both works and is cost-effective, too! Very nicely done.

Holy Moly! Thanks, man!

0:50 bro gets hit with an earthquake but keeps the review going. that's dedication.

your Channel needs more views this is pure Genius! absolute crushing those high price mounts! thank you sir 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

Completely useless guide! You better to stop making vids

I was hoping you would share any issues you had putting the base and joy stick together, I am at odds as it doesn't seem to want to thread easily. I have tried several times with out forcing it. as to not ruin the threads, it work's for a couple of threads and then stops.

Nice review, I agree with you and I'm in the market for a new throttle, while it's been two years, Winwing must have been listening and has made many improvements on their equipment. I do have an F-16ex stick and it's amazing and I love it, which is why I am seriously considering getting the Winwing throttle over the Virpil one.

I realize I am posting a second comment. However, NOTICE WHEN I ORIGINALLY POSTED...Due to not taking notes and paying as close attention as I should have along with viewing other content creators info...I ended up with DCS related folders everywhere, particularly as they related to downloading USER PROFILES FOR HOTAS SET-UPS, 3RD PARTY PROGRAMS SUCH AS VOICE ATTACK+ Viacom Pro + SOUND MODS aka User Files and Keymapping/Biinding assisting programs such as OpenSource program called JOYPRO aka JOYSTICK PROFILER (WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN JOYTOKEY!!!)....then I had folders everywhere for headtracking and USER FILE Profiles for that; TacView, USERFILE AIRCRAFT MODS, Liveries, and adjunctive programs that are integrated with DCS so can use an iPad for example...a complete an utter mess... I'm old and have used Mac/Apple OS for more than 30 years only using PC for work/Office type programs...plus I had a team of both programmers (8 fulltime people) and 3 fulltime IT people I relied on to do everything for me...meaning, I really started from ground zero)... I share ALL OF THAT because although this gentleman has only 4-5 vids posted and obviously creating videos for KZbin is a serious commitment with something as niche's as DCS or IL-2 few have viewed...EVEN SO... THIS IS THE BEST TUTORIAL ANY NEW PLAYER OR MEMBER OF THE DCS COMMUNITY CAN WATCH TO START OFF WITH...Take the time to make notes, to pause, to rewatch because the time it will save you, the headaches you will avoid is worth this channel having 10,000 subscribers for each view....Although 2 years old it is still applicable and again...THE BEST DCS INTRODUCTION, GET STARTED VIDEO, TUTORIAL AVAILABLE ANYWHERE...In fact, obviously I'm back again and will make more of an effort to recommend to some of the high profile members of the DCS community, including in the DCS Forum's, Reddit, Hoggit, Stormbirds Blog, etc to recommend this link...I believe ED should list this link as a much watch for any one starting into DCS... If you find yourself opening this thumbnail, I promise you there IS NOT A TUTORIAL WRITTEN OR VIDEO AS A TRUE BEGINNERS GUIDE OTHER THAN THIS ONE...THIS IS STEP 1 AND PROBABLY SHOULD BE STEP 2 & 3 JUST TO EMBED IT INTO MEMORY... THERE ARE NO BEGINNER'S TUTORIALS WORTH WATCHING THAT ARE ONLY 10-15 MINUTES LONG...SIMPLY CAN NOT COVER WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AS A STARTING POINT AS THIS ONE...I belive Ive made my point. Good Luck ps. If I only could find an instruction video or guide as straight forward and well done as this one to set up my HOTAS i WOULD BE A HAPPY PILOT (I'm actually a real pilot as well, PPL earned in 1993 so I've been flying awhile and have found setting up DCS more difficult than learning a new real aircraft...

I've had mine for about four days now. Here's what I don't like: - I don't like the feel of the second stage of the joystick trigger on my F-16EX grip. Instead of feeling/hearing the click of a switch like the first stage, it's more of a cam/spring feel, if that makes any sense. Is the FA-18 stick the same way? - The hat switches on the FA-18 throttle handles feel much stiffer than the ones on the F-16 stick. Possibly just a personal preference but I like the slightly lighter feel of the ones on the stick. - Some of the switches on the throttle base are not very ergonomic, especially when flying in VR. I find it somewhat awkward to have to physically reach around the throttle handles to get to the landing gear and flap switches. It also feels to me like the arrangement of the switches and knobs on the throttle base is somewhat haphazard, like... there's three rotary knobs and we need a fourth so will stick it over here amongst these switches. - This one is definitely personal preference. I wish the switch labeling was a bit more generic instead of it being mostly aimed specifically at F-16/FA-18 cockpit duplication. Like everyone else, I fly the DCS Hornet and Viper quite frequently. But I also fly the P-51, the L-39 and many other DCS planes and helicopters as well as Star Citizen, Elite Dangerous, X-4 foundations, MSFS and two versions of P3D. Like I said, mostly personal preference. Now, here's what I do like: - Everything else. The amount of buttons and switches, the nice metallic feel of the grip and handles, the feel of the joystick. So far I am extremely happy with my purchase. I came over to the Orion 2 system from a Logitech X-56 HOTAS. Now, for what I paid for the X-56, I was kind of okay with it... for the most part. But there were two huge issues that were eventually deal breakers. First, the slop in the joystick was unacceptable. But, me being a fairly creative and handy kinda guy, I could have manufactured and installed a piece that would have eliminated the slop and I would have done that if not for the second issue, the ghost inputs. I researched and asked and Googled and tried every supposed solution I could find but nothing prevented the ghost inputs. So I busted my piggy bank and sprung for the Orion 2 system, which happened to be on sale. I cannot get over how that joystick feels when flying! I recently retired from a career as an aviation maintenance tech specializing in avionics both military and civilian for most of the last four decades. I worked almost exclusively on L-39s for the last 16 years and got to fly in them many, many times including a fair amount of stick time. Even though the Orion 2 stick is not FFB like my old G940 (which I still use on occasion), it still felt amazing and so realistic. I will be installing the rumble motor module soon so that might even get it closer. Anyway, I digress. Despite my nitpicking issues with this system, I would give it probably a 9.5 out of 10.

Does the stick bump into your thighs or does it have full range of motion?

mine was great for about a year then the female end on the throttle ended up getting shoved into the quadrant. took it apart to fix and discovered the pretty abysmal build quality. The stick still works great tho

this is what i needed to find

Really appreciate..Have a few questions...but this was a big help....Thanks

I got myself the Orion 2 with the F18 throttle, and the F-16EX stick. This combo seems to fix ALL the gripes you have with the OG setup. Minus the numbering of the buttons

I use the desk mounts, they all have a quick release lever and what I did was run a couple USB extension cables and zip tied them to my desk close to where I want to mount the Hotas and I can clamp either mount and plug in the USB in about 5 seconds. Every 20 or so times i remount I have to break out a tool and tighten up the quick release to the desk friction mount. No real bother at all.

Finally a non biased review pointing out the negatives and positives. 👏👏

If your using a glass desk that suction is not popping off..

I can't decide between a Winwing throttle or a Virpil throttle. I already have a VKB stick, but want a new throttle to replace my TWCS throttle

What is it with Brits and WHISPERING into microphones when they're recording?!?

Is it possible to remove the detents?

I love this and had the same thoughts when I started researching mounts. I'm glad you did this video. The only thing I'll likely do differently is the joystick location as I don't want it between my legs. Thank you for saving me significant time researching this.

I really enjoyed this. I've been staring at the winwing kit for a wihle, but I appreciate your honest review. Now you need to get back to making videos. :)

Should I het this or the Thrustmaster Warthog?

Nice set up buddy....seems quite cluttered to me....?....you've moved the table clutter onto chair clutter?.

That no keyboard start up was awesome! Picked up a couple ideas there. I wish there was some narrative around it (how and why), but all good, still helpful!

Time for an upgrade to orion 2?

Maybe it's just me and flying gliders which need a lot of rudder play, but how the heck do you keep the chair from moving while using the rudders?

So, I showed up here to see the in depth review for the hardware, but at the end there was this bit about doing your startup with no mouse. Well hell, colour me impressed. It hadn't occurred to me to bind joystick buttons to mouse clicks like that. I'd always been using my Oculus controller to manipulate switches in game. Switching back and forth is a pain! Mind you, I'm also not that deep into DCS yet either, but you know, a few trial runs!

Velcro is your best friend

Hi where do you get the downloaded configurations from. Nothing appears in mine. Not even winwings default set-up

I don't like suction cups. I'm not going to pay about € 600 for suction cups which I had in my old crappy Saitek x52

I put in my pre-order for this set up not to ling ago. Now to try & be patient. Thanks for this review.

I think for the newer version of the throttle, the AA and AG buttons got reworked, that issue seems to be solved

I think the F/A-18 stick is unfortunate on Winwing's stick base panel (or lack thereof). Honestly, Thrustmaster's approach is overall better here. It may be awkward placing it on your desk because your keyboard and mousepad will have to overlap it a bit, but the benefit is that you *should place* The TM Warthog stick base panel on a normal desk chair, then sit on top of it (straddle the joystick, legs are fully on top pinning down the flat base on the sides). You operate the joystick as if it is sticking out the front of your chair and that is damn good placement. That has been how I've used it all this time and I don't know how this isn't how every KZbinr without a sim pit chair is doing it. When I get my Winwing F-16EX stick, I plan putting it on one of my Warthog base panels. Also, the paddle switch on the F/A-18 should be used in flight. It unlocks the G-limiter in flight so if you want the F/A-18 to make a really tight turn beyond 7.5Gs, you have to do it while holding that switch. Perhaps if you avoid dogfights then it is fairly unused. Also, currently the Thrustmaster F/A-18 grip is only $10 more on Amazon than Winwings F/A-18 grip. And Thrustmaster's actually has an extra switch+button on the face which is a good mapping for VR zoom, or radar elevation control (which is missing from the TM Warthog base).

"the stick stops in the corners..." Doesn't the real stick in the real airplane do that also?

Does the radar elevation axis have a center detent?

Do a sudden pull up without extended joystick ;P

nice video, thanks

Which do you think should be first, a good HOTAS or VR? I need a GPU for VR so the cost going that way would be even more. I have a Delanclip tracker on the way already, but use T.Flight Hotas One now and that cable between them and having them on the desk is super annoying.

Great review, I so appreciate actual users who bought the equipment for review. There are so many tainted reviews on YT, the kind that have the nerve to say they got it free from the manufacturer but were not compensated for the review. Yes they were, these products cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars - you bet they were compensated. And they will only give great reviews because they want the next set of equipment "FREE" too. Try telling the tax collector you were not paid.