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I got into TNG mid-season 4 as it aired, when I was in middle school, and was instantly captivate. And then DS9 premiered when I was in 8th grade, and it became my favorite Trek immediately upon watching "Emissary". For me at the time, the political nature, the Bajoran plight, how the different factions interacted - that was what captivated me. I loved that the Federation officers couldn't just fly away, but had to deal with the fallout of whatever decisions they made, and the impact on Bajor. I loved seeing the flawed characters, seeing people stand up for what was right in different ways, and having more morally gray characters in general. It made the show more interesting to me. I stopped watching not long after the Dominion was introduced (we moved, and my local UPN station aired it at weird times), but I remember being annoyed that this big intergalactic was was going to take over the story of the Bajorans. I didn't get to finish the series until decades later, when it was on Netflix. And wow, did I miss some of the best episodes. DS9 remains my favorite Trek to this day, because of its characters, the actors who portrayed them, and the various issues the series tackled and the overarching narrative that found its way into a serialized television series. I don't claim to have a deep understanding of it - I haven't watched it enough times with a critical lens to do so - but its episodes stick with me longer than some of the other series do, and I think Sisko is one of, if not the best, captain in a Star Trek series.

Worst review of all time. First, TNG never really answered the questions of the episodes, leaving that up to the viewer to make their own conclusions. DS9 did this as well. You’re clearly an America hating liberal. See, the thing about OS, TNG and DS9, they never really swung left or right. Instead they explored these issues and, once again, respected the viewers to make their own conclusions. DS9 is the best series. Hands down!

Icon is longer than Ash...... so I'll call you Ash for short and Icon for long as that conforms to reality. I'll bet this will be fun. A kid growing up with a netflix account..... ooh boy!

TNG was in no way-- no way at all-- a reboot of the franchise. As someone who lived through these eras, I can also tell you that both TOS and TNG depicted the expected futures for the eras in which they were produced. These were made 20 years apart. No one in the 60s anticipated capacitive touch displays, so their depiction of the future did not include them.

I didnt realise how much of the message i missed whilst watching ds9

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine is the best Star Trek, hands down, with the best writing, and the best actors, period. It strikes me as MUCH MORE "real".

ST:TOS was created before the west realised the true horrors of socialism, and I think ST:TNG wanted to continue the idea of the future being a socialist paradise, just as many still do today. "Welcome to 2030. You will own nothing, like it." But ST:DS9 was made after the Wall came down, and people realised that there's no such thing as paradise. You can paint as much as you like, but the cracks will still come through.

Deep Space Nine was a good series but with a different projection of the future. They are all fantasy of what the future could be, and while TOS and TNG chose a rosy fantasy, DS9 chose one that was darker. For some, that made DS9 more relatable, more like now, and less optimistic. The Picard series took this even further. Part of being able to do something often entails imagining it can be done. That's where TOS and TNG come in. DS9 is more like people of today put into a future setting with many of today's attitudes still in place. In order of human growth with an end goal of solving humanities' failings, DS9 should precede the other two.

cringe video dude

Didn't make it past the Content Warning. Ridiculous

Its a little late to the experience, but I don't think they were directly making fun of disabilities. Its funny because the games systems let you make absurd looking characters, its not funny because the character is disabled (its purely aesthetic for the most part, except for the one character that died of STDS as a child where he WAS disabled, but the humor wasn't IN the disabilities, it was making humor out of how "nerfed" the character could be). Its funny because the absurdity of the system taken to an extreme; The humor wouldn't be present if they were playing a bespoke character with disabilities. That said, I think this essay is super important to take into account; we DO need to treat people with more respect, especially people with disabilities. Also, while the majority of people with disabilities and mental illness are harmless, many of the people who ARENT harmless and are dangerous have mental illnesses. Mass Killings by people with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder account for 33%, and individual homicides by people with these disorders account for 10%. Borderline personality disorder diagnosed individuals are more likely to develop abusive tendencies in relationships (rarely physically violent, but emotional abuse is a kind of violence) and are more likely to accidentally hurt their loved ones, and drug related mental illness (alcoholism, for example) is a leading cause of domestic violence. 70% of prison inmates are likely to have a cluster b personality disorder (narcissistic personality, anti social, Borderline, histrionic ect). Something to note is that there is a great deal of evidence that societal influence is a factor in crime, so there is an argument to be had that treating these individuals with compassion and getting them help could have prevented some violent crime; but the point I'm making is that it isnt just stereotype that we treat those different from us as dangerous, there's an evolutionary precedent involved.

And hear I thought Star Trek was about explore space and trying to expand our horizons by that exploration. But I guess I was wrong and it's about white colonization and imperialism all this time. I guess I should have realized that when Picard stole that planet back from those native american settlers

Star trek TOS star Trek animated series then Star Trek TNG

2:56 lol sht up. Also, we all know your favorite Trek is Discovery...

Rainbow elephant in the room! There is a Ferengi, he wants your gold pressed latinum. There’s a Klingon, he wants to fight. there’s a Romulan, he wants to conspire. There is the Cardassians, they want to steal. Yeah, keep in mind what the progenitors, taught us about all these races. Humans will be just as racist on a galactic scale.

Dude ur thinking is off. Society are created by destroying other societies.

Ds9 more realistic

Middle school? FFS I had cable, a VCR, and 386 computers :P

You hit the nail right on the fn head about Star Trek man. New Trek doesnt understand this. New Trek believes that this show cannot be exciting to a modern audience if based on the principles it was founded on. "We have to have an enemy to war with!" Well then, why not make the enemy ourselves? New Trek could have all its war, all of its personal problems between the crew, it could have all the pre Cochrane human aspects... But project them onto the villian of the story: A faction of humanity that wants to hold onto greed and conflict and take us backwards. Kind of synonymous with modern life eh? Not the klingons, not the Gorn, if star trek wants war and the dark side of Humanity, the greatest most compelling enemy on that screen should have been ourselves. If no one gets this mans video... I implore you to watch the TNG episode: The Chase from start to finish. You know that really good hopeful feeling the episode just left you with? Yeah, we grew up with that. Something new trek doesnt have, something that is missing: The very soul of star trek. Do you understand why we all have issues with Kurtzman trek now? It was always meant to build us up, not drag us down.

You are Julian Bashir.

Your interpretation is flawed by an obvious political bias. What you forget in your interpretation of US-like imperialism and colonialism is the war between the Cardassians and the Federation, the consequences and how the Federation dealt with Bajor. And Bajor is a fantastic example how flawed your view is, as are the other homeworlds of memberspecies in the Federation. Your points do not show colonialism or imperialism but even a utopic society has to deal with real and injust issues. As it does show how this peaceloving society has to deal with a war and adversaries that need to be fought regardless how pacifistic you are. The Borg and the Dominion show that.

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Yeah... with that stupid "content warning" I'll gladly not watch this video.

I have to say I disagree with a lot of your conclusions. I get that tng shows us an idealistic fantasy, and that is appealing. But I don't think ds9 is showing us how the federation is an imperialistic force subjecting others. I think it simply shines a light on how conflicting needs, priorities and viewpoints cast such a fantasy as just that. A fantasy. Humanity in the federation hasn't evolved. Our society has improved to a much higher level of egalitarianism. But once those ideals are put into a trolley problem simulator, aka the real world, we see how compromise is inevitable. In a world where you want to see people pick only thebright answer you're forced to come to terms with the reality of the lesser of two evils. The maquis are a prime example. The agreement between cardassia and the feds ended a galactic conflict, costing huge numbers of lives and threatening more. If the only path to peace is to fight until cardassia is conquered, or accept a negotiated peace, it would be irresponsible of the federation not to negotiate peace. The settlers had the option of relocating. It's a shitty situation but they made their choice. And saying they did nothing to harm the federal when they had infiltrated and hijacked federation supplies, often military supplies, is being willingly blind to the reality. I take ds9 as a message that says, we may never be perfect, the decisions may never be easy... But even in a hopeless situation there is a right choice, even if it's not a perfect choice. That a better future is possible but we can't ignore the pitfalls of our base fears and insecurities. We shouldn't assume the system is perfect just because we personally may be comfortable. We can't just wait for a perfect future. Ds9 was much more relatable precisely because it has flawed characters with perspectives or agendas we might relate to. It's not easy to identify with perfect people.

White Guilt! Thank you for a historical comparison. Its completly wrong, but hey as long as you get the white male guilt in there .I find your tour to be incomplete,, to the point of it being dangerous. you really need to study the historical topics your trying to paint . you might be white and ignorant, but you can fix one of them. HERE IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT BLACK AFRICANS STARTED SLAVERY, WHITE PEOPLE ENDED IT!!!!! And BTW DS9, STNG, AND TOS ARE JUST TV SHOWS. Lose the white guilt, its frigging annoying, You have zero historical reasons to be guilty of anything, PERIOD.

The world of Star Trek is actually a nightmare if you look at the big political picture of interstellar wars, military government, colonialism, genocide, etc.

Star fleet should have sent a modern war fleet into cardasion space and crushed to and rebuilt their government base.

Bro said when I was in middle school watching Netflix.....fuck I'm old

the example you use of picard suggests he might be far too sentimental for his station.

DS9 is text book material. This is not what many people want Star Trek to be. So they are very satisfied with TNG and Voyager. TOS was radical for its time. That radicalism leapfrogged over TNG. DS9 through elite casting, acting, writing and directing perfected it. It was like Hank Aaron moving past Babe Ruth. It didnt undo Ruths accomplishments but like people hated it then they today in 2024 reject the accomplishment of Aaron. Likewise is Sisko and DS9.

If I recall correctly it was Picard who created the treaty between cardassia & the federation that ended up with the formation of the Maquis. It was the episode where he & the enterprise were supposed to remove the Native American descendant colony.

I feel this video is overly simplistic. I often make fun of conservatives who have the “socialism is when the government does stuff“ take. I feel liberals have a very similar Mindset around colonialism “colonialism is when geopolitics happens.”

Police brutality good job it's just science fiction and not a reality

I think it was a Star Trek show, but they stopped making episodes a long time ago. Before the towers fell. That was crazy and unexpected.

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Shits tight right? (Not gonna watch the video)

I don't disagree with you on what you're saying about indigenous people and black people. They were treated terribly. They were treated awful but we weren't alive when that happened. That's been a couple hundred years ago. And to blame yourself for that when you weren't even in existence. Not even your great-great-grandparents were is just asinine and pointless

I think the TNG and DS9 visions were both true... Starfleet upheld its principles through MOST of the galaxy, but there were areas and avenues where its principles were more challenged than elsewhere. it took liberties there, but not in MOST places. Voyager is to me the interesting one, because it is in many senses the reconciliation between these two - a crew that acted principled despite being challenged on every front. way more so than the TNG crew ever was.

Icon is longer than ash

Star Trek is based more on possibilities of real life, compared to Star Wars, which is more illogical fantasy. Both are great though.

Excellellently articulated ideas. Great video.

What the Marquis did wrong they should went to get help from others who could help theirs cause and regained theirs Land.

I actually prefer ENT to DS9 for multiple reasons, but 1 huge one was due to how well season 3 of ENT was handled. DS9 had a "tell dont show" approach during a lot of the Dominion War. They mention plantets or outposts being captured all too often without showing it. For example the capture of Betazed should have been huge, but its just said in passing as if it doesn't matter. The Xindi war however showed step by step how Archer and the ENT got closer and closer to the Xindi and ultimately stopping the war and earths destruction. They showed them collecting info on the Xindinto track them, they showed them finding out who built the doomsday devive sent to attack earth (which plays a huge role in slowing down the new weapons launch in a future episodes), they showed them figuring out the importannce of the metal spheres in the expanse, and how it ties to a hidden enemy using the Xindi. It was phenomincal how well every episode played into one another (even T'pols withdrawls). It's the best season of Star Trek ive ever seen. And going back to DS9's Dominion war is lackluster by compsrison. .

Very insightful! Thank you for creating this video exposé. :-)

Parapsychology is not pseudoscience. You are very mistaken.

Data was head of operations. TNG didn't have a science officer.

That was really well done!

This is a Top 10 Star Trek video of the year. Thank you for this video.

DS9 is my favorite Star Trek… But when I was younger, TNG was my favorite