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@Argue625
@Argue625 18 сағат бұрын
Wow, this was amazing! I'm wondering what sorts of apps or coding environments you're using to do all of this? I've been working on a Sudoku App. However, because I'm interested in all of the many different rulesets of different flavors of Sudoku I've ended up needing to do some polyomino adjacent math. This video was very helpful. Thank you!
@tolstoj_
@tolstoj_ 19 сағат бұрын
When we were kids, my brother was an extremely curious kid - mostly interested in numbers and logic. He invented riddles to solve for himself and tried to figure them out - A pretty smart boy. Since we owned a Game Boy back in the days, he wondered exactly about the question how many shapes there are of number n. He never knew the term polyomino and called his riddle the "Tetris Problem". Alongside his tries to find a solution for prime numbers, he couldn't figure this one out. Weeks and weeks on end he tried. Years later I also gave it a try and failed as well. It's funny, because this problem got me into Tetris later in life and from there I learned about polyominos. I also bought the Golomb book. It's so fascinating to see how much my brother as a 11-13 year old figured out by himself. I enjoyed this video very much!
@samueldeandrade8535
@samueldeandrade8535 10 сағат бұрын
And how is your brother now? Does he work with Mathematics?
@tolstoj_
@tolstoj_ 10 сағат бұрын
@@samueldeandrade8535 Well he has a degree in engineering and computer science now.
@samueldeandrade8535
@samueldeandrade8535 9 сағат бұрын
@@tolstoj_ so, yeah, he is working with Mathematics. Hehe. Very cool. You made you guys look as great brothers. That's nice. Big hug.
@samueldeandrade8535
@samueldeandrade8535 9 сағат бұрын
@@tolstoj_ so the answer is yes, he is working with Mathematics. Hehe. You made you guys look like great brothers. That's nice. Big hug.
@tolstoj_
@tolstoj_ 9 сағат бұрын
@@samueldeandrade8535 Thanks, I like the guy! :)
@jackhanke343
@jackhanke343 19 сағат бұрын
ERRATA: At 13:28 the second shaded triangle on the n=4 case on the top should be moved to the second unshaded triangle from the top.
@Dalroc
@Dalroc 21 сағат бұрын
Shouldn't the hexagons be in a shape of a hexagon, instead of a triangle?
@jackhanke343
@jackhanke343 19 сағат бұрын
Good question, the hexagon in a hexagon only ever has 2 minimal inscribed polyforms regardless of size, similar to the aztec diamond.
@binathiessen4920
@binathiessen4920 21 сағат бұрын
At 13:28 there are no triangles touching the left side of the n=4 example.
@jackhanke343
@jackhanke343 19 сағат бұрын
Good catch, added a pinned errata
@davecgriffith
@davecgriffith 23 сағат бұрын
Fascinating! Great video, thanks!
@ktbbb5
@ktbbb5 Күн бұрын
Is it also always 4 for normal polyforms in n×m Aztec diamonds where n≠m?
@jackhanke343
@jackhanke343 19 сағат бұрын
Good question, the 4 polyforms are only for n=m. Regardless for general n,m the growth isn't very interesting.
@ShankarSivarajan
@ShankarSivarajan Күн бұрын
The links in the description are broken.
@chmis3
@chmis3 Күн бұрын
Both work if you remove %29 from the end
@ShankarSivarajan
@ShankarSivarajan 23 сағат бұрын
​@@chmis3 Thanks, but neither points to the Github repo I was looking for. I found it though: Google didn't turn it up, but just guessing he'd go by "JackHanke" worked.
@jackhanke343
@jackhanke343 19 сағат бұрын
Fixed, thanks for the note
@squidwithcheese
@squidwithcheese Ай бұрын
I finally got around to watching this video, and I can say that I’m glad I did!
@RobinFiveWords
@RobinFiveWords 2 ай бұрын
If you start sketching ideas for a problem, go to save your file, and realize you already have a file of the same name from when you did the same thing two years ago ... you may have a backburner problem.
@omargaber3122
@omargaber3122 2 ай бұрын
genius!
@thatotherdavidguy
@thatotherdavidguy 4 ай бұрын
I'm curious how the numbers chance if you add in two additional tile types: one where you have both corner cuts and ones where you have the two cross-cuts where one passes over the other (a bridge). For the n,2 case it wouldn't allow for any new shapes but it would change the denominator [now there are 8 tiles] and numerator [anything that uses the cross-cut or the corner cut can also use the dual] but doesn't allow for any new shapes. Definitely for 4 and up it adds new shape possibilities.
@abj136
@abj136 6 ай бұрын
Variant: same question but the tiles are T shaped.
@FineAndAndy
@FineAndAndy 6 ай бұрын
Very nice problem! Two potential generalizations that could be interesting: 1) What about different sets of tiles? Either by defining different entry-exit points for the square and then taking all ways of connecting them (e.g., dividing the sides into thirds rather than halves), or just by restricting which shapes of tiles to use (e.g., only the diagonals). 2) Instead of "probability of a closed shape", what about "average area enclosed"? This would need some reasonable way to handle one enclosed shape contained inside another.
@dolos9250
@dolos9250 6 ай бұрын
this is a good video
@user-th5wd4fu9s
@user-th5wd4fu9s 6 ай бұрын
I was doing this without realising the benefits, now when i think, they really helped me
@BrianSpurrier
@BrianSpurrier 6 ай бұрын
I think my first back burner problem was back in high school. I saw some post about a bakery that sold square donuts, and wondered how much more volume you would get with them in the same box out of it. I was just taking calculus around then, so I didn’t know the volume of a torus but figured it out, and was surprised that it was just a plain ratio between them, rather than being some messy function based on the 2 radii of the torus. I wondered if this was true for any polygon, and then had to figure out what exactly a polygonal torus was. I was stuck for a bit until one of my teacher’s mentioned the fact that a torus has the same volume as the cylinder you would get by cutting it open and unbending it. And then I realized that the shapes I was looking at could be unfolded into prisms in the same way, and the volume was just the area of the tube section times the perimeter of the larger polygon. The same way that a torus is the area of a smaller circle times the circumference a larger one. And that ratio was just (tan(π/n)/π)^2 It was a very simple problem, but it was the first time I actually wanted to solve something for no reason other than curiosity and I used whatever knowledge I had at the time to do it. And it lead me to thinking about a lot more than the initial random post that started this, and made me think more like a mathematician. Even know, at least 6-7 years later, online I still use a square Toruhedron (they didn’t have a name so I made one) to represent myself a lot because it means something to me
@mikechad27
@mikechad27 6 ай бұрын
Bro that intro was so good. I'm not in high school yet, but that made me remind to find something that interest me in math and that would also motivate me to study. One example is those mob farm Minecraft videos. I could not understand a single thing about the spawn rate analysis.
@joselor7614
@joselor7614 7 ай бұрын
Maybe linking your problem to graph theory could open the way for a general solution in the n*m case : if you consider the vertices to be the sides of the squares and the edges to be the mosaic tiles, it may be possible to consider the probability of a certain non oriented graph having a cycle ( a closed shape in the mosaic case ). Thinking about it in this way may be useful because there are many useful results and definitions in graph theory that could make the problem easier to solve
@AgentM124
@AgentM124 7 ай бұрын
You would think that on the one hand, it's probability 1 that a tile is enclosed in a shape. Because you can think of it that eventually there will be some huge shape that encloses all of it in between. But then again, the chance such a huge enclosing shape exists will tend to probability 0. Because it takes only 1 tile to mess up that enclosing shape. Definitely an interesting one.
@Alex-02
@Alex-02 7 ай бұрын
7:18 I got a bigger answer: 32070. I could be wrong but I think you may have forgotten the diagonal rectangle shape that adds 6^2 * 2
@kuiperbolic
@kuiperbolic 6 ай бұрын
Seconded!
@kuiperbolic
@kuiperbolic 6 ай бұрын
Next day realization from glancing at my sketch: these rectangles are actually not valid. They require a tile in the middle which has 2 diagonal lines on opposite corners!
@Alex-02
@Alex-02 6 ай бұрын
@@kuiperbolicOh you’re right! Thanks for pointing it out this had been stuck in my head for a while!
@Lukeisun7
@Lukeisun7 7 ай бұрын
Amazing video! I took a combinatorics class in my undergrad and loved it. I'm a bit rusty now though lol. We used the Brualdi textbook and it was not my favorite.
@RubikxsMan
@RubikxsMan 7 ай бұрын
I’ve never realised that the back burner problems I’ve had were probably helping me. In relation to the question, I can see some way to expand into the m,n cases but it would require classifying a whole lot of other properties of the rectangles. No where near as practically as you have done it here.
@YawnGod
@YawnGod 7 ай бұрын
I hear that probability is the Devil's math.
@AndreasWilfer
@AndreasWilfer 7 ай бұрын
This is my favorite of the #some3 submissions of 2023, as it is both useful and motivating to me personally.
@megamasterbloc
@megamasterbloc 7 ай бұрын
any cell on the infinite grid will always be surrounded by an infinite amount of shapes and it's not that hard to prove
@oro5421
@oro5421 7 ай бұрын
OK. I’d say (with no proof at all, I just feel like it) that every single cell on the infinite grid is closed in an infinite amount of shapes
@oinkoink3669
@oinkoink3669 7 ай бұрын
A great explanation and I loved how you took us on the journey of your thinking and learning process 😊
@circuitcraft2399
@circuitcraft2399 7 ай бұрын
My own thoughts on the problem: First, the parity requirement for interior-ness is not well-defined on an infinite grid, since there could be infinitely many closed loops around a given square. Regarding the original problem, perhaps there is some kind of inductive construction based on mosaics with a path from a certain point on the boundary to another. These seem easier to characterize, and might yield interesting insights.
@billionai4871
@billionai4871 7 ай бұрын
This is a really interesting concept for many math students. It absolutely would not have worked for me, cause ADHD doesn't understand the expression "backburner", but you did leave with itching with a different mosaic problem: given an MxN grid of randomly distribute tiles, what is the average length of the longest continuous line in the grid. I have some python to code now, lmao.
@yaitz3313
@yaitz3313 7 ай бұрын
You should submit the (n,2) and (n,3) cases to the Online Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences. They're two interesting sequences of integers, which is exactly what the OEIS tries to collect.
@SirCutRy
@SirCutRy 7 ай бұрын
Do it!
@David-gj6dc
@David-gj6dc 7 ай бұрын
My back burner question for part of my undergrad was about finding numbers that are palindromes in multiple bases, in particular base 2 and 10, like 585 (1001001001). I wanted to know if there are infinite of them, and if I could prove it. I never made much rigorous mathematical progress though but did write code to search for them
@jackdinsmore4326
@jackdinsmore4326 7 ай бұрын
Great video! Problems like the mosaic problem are actually very useful in physics. Counting all the mosaics with loops allows you to find the temperature at which a liquid evaporates into a gas in some simple models (we would call the generating function a cluster expansion, and the liquid gas model I was thinking of is called the Ising model). Just goes to show that sometimes your back burner problem might not be as esoteric as it seems at first!
@lexibyday9504
@lexibyday9504 8 ай бұрын
I've still never personally solved my fun math problem. I want a non repeating arangement of coloured tiles where no to tiles the same colour ever touch. I have realised that this is only possible if the shape of the tiles is a non repeating pattern but which shape is the best shape for this puzzle?
@micayahritchie7158
@micayahritchie7158 8 ай бұрын
Once i saw you write down a recurrence relation my first thought was eould generating functions give me a bice closef form here
@HaphazardDisastard
@HaphazardDisastard 9 ай бұрын
I occasionally think up random problems like this, and I generally solve them with a bit of programming (often a Monte Carlo simulation). While I enjoy probabilities, I find them difficult to process when I only ever think about them every few months. It just evanesces from my mind over time, and my understanding lessens. It's rather annoying.
@leonsoderberg6094
@leonsoderberg6094 9 ай бұрын
Amazing video🔥🔥🔥
@altairmislata5068
@altairmislata5068 9 ай бұрын
Nice video and problem! But I think you went wrong calculating t_5,2 because overcounting. Think that in the t_4,2 * 6^2 you are arleady counting some mosaics that end in a little diamnod shape and then counting that again in the t_3,2 * 6^(2*3) case. Nevertheless, using the Inclusion-Exclusion Principle there has to be a way of getting t_5,2 correctly. (Btw I'm learning english so if I just make a mistake I'll apriciate if you can teach me what did I wrote wrong and I hope you get my point)
@danielrhouck
@danielrhouck 9 ай бұрын
Nitpicks (on the Minecraft side; the math seems fine): - The sugarcane farm at 2:47 won’t work IIRC; I don’t think the lower sugarcane changes block state when it grows - Most crops don’t grow every random tick, not just amethyst. Vines, kelp, sugar cane, and I think bamboo also have a 1-in-n chance to grow per random tick for various n > 1, traditional farmland crops have complicated chances based on soil hydration and neighbors, saplings have *particularly* complicated chances based on possible tree shapes, etc. - Even if you design your observer-based farm correctly, this can still be useful for sugar, bamboo, etc. because for large patches you want to dispatch a flying machine instead of use observers.
@adityakhanna113
@adityakhanna113 9 ай бұрын
Haven't watched the whole thing yet but your point of recontextualization is really important! One of the ways is how you suggest: by having a problem to which that context can be repeatedly applied. Even if you don't have a pet problem, just thinking about new information and connecting it to what you know can help recontextualize things!
@adityakhanna113
@adityakhanna113 9 ай бұрын
Also your foley work is incredible
@adityakhanna113
@adityakhanna113 9 ай бұрын
I don't even have to 2x this video and am fully engaged! Great work! Extremely impressive
@hobbified
@hobbified 9 ай бұрын
As a computer programmer I very often run into people online asking questions like "I'm learning <some language>, what should I write?" Or "I want to contribute to open-source, what project should I contribute to?" As a participant in various nerdy hobbies I run into people asking "okay, I'm new to this hobby and I just bought all the equipment they say I need to get started [ouch!]... now what do I do?" My answer to all of those people is very much related to this video: explore what interests *you*. Have something *you* want to accomplish. Wanting to learn a language, or partake in a hobby, or absorb a mathematical concept, aren't really the kind of goals that you can get invested in for their own sake. They're means to an end. You need to go into the game with an end in mind, something that drives you personally, and then you'll have a reason to knock down everything that stands in your way - and to discover something new that you didn't know you cared about in the beginning. Ordinary people can probably sustain one or two such interests. Really *interesting* people cultivate several and find ways to synthesize them.
@Number_Cruncher
@Number_Cruncher 9 ай бұрын
Great.
@AllenKnutson
@AllenKnutson 9 ай бұрын
Incidentally, there is a much-better studied nearby problem, which concerns the probability that *all* squares are in a perimeter. Check out the vast literature on the "six-vertex model". Now there are additional questions to ask: how many loops do you expect? How is the boundary likely connected to itself (when one follows the paths)?
@zerauj_kcire
@zerauj_kcire 9 ай бұрын
You're describing the significance learning by the psychologists :) it's pretty nice and it will be great if you check it out all of the ideas of Vigotsky and its contemporaries :)
@nosuchthing8
@nosuchthing8 9 ай бұрын
I picked a heck of a time to start watching a wicked hard math video...late at night..😳
@brighamhellewell6479
@brighamhellewell6479 9 ай бұрын
your content is so good you should have more fans and a patreon.
@jonathanjam1158
@jonathanjam1158 9 ай бұрын
I have a question related to your further question related to the infinite tiling. Is it possible that for any set of tiles, it's probability of being inclosed fully inside at least one closed shape is one? If so, your question regarding the parity inclosing shapes in the infinite plane would be undefined, since we could proove by induction that every tile would have probability one of being inclosed by infinitely many boundaries.
@coopikoop912
@coopikoop912 9 ай бұрын
This is so weird. I have my first real analysis class tomorrow, and I purchased the textbook you showed a picture of not even 6 hours ago
@claytonharting9899
@claytonharting9899 9 ай бұрын
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t the probability that any given tile is enclosed by a connected perimeter on the infinite grid be 1? Because no matter where you are on the grid, somewhere out in infinity, there is a ring of connected tiles enclosing your local area?
@jackhanke343
@jackhanke343 9 ай бұрын
Thank you all for watching! There is a small correction at 11:22, as the notation t_{i, 2} should be t_{5-i, 2}.