I would hope that it would be some new ingenious invention that can be accurately duplicated for each and every blade in the same way, and not just one of many examples what 100% inspection means and how blades manufacturing process does still have manual machining phases in the critical areas. Every day I dream that the world's best would be synonymous with high quality. Clearly I do have wrong expectations when users seem to be happy what they get. Am I over engineering?
@KP-zd3hcАй бұрын
Was the Matrix Legacy also 9.75? Also, is the drag pick on 99 aligned with the end of the toe plate?
@Annisk8sАй бұрын
Great question from @KP-zd3hc related to the drag pick positioning!!! I believe Matrix Legacy was 9.5". I have recorded these videos 2021, so it´s hard to remember or find evidences of these specific Matrix blades size, when I have several hundreds of pictures from the skate blades. Drack pick position compared to the end of toe plate is not same in Matrix and Pattern 99. Pattern 99 drag pick seems to be more further than in Matrix, even video gives opposite impression. You are the first person ever whom has asked me about the drack pick positioning compared to the toe plate end. I really appreciate this. Most likely you do have also understanding why some blades are mounted 3-5 mm backwards from the shoe tip, like I did show in one of my videos. I have documented these specific blades drack pick position differences very clearly 2021 , but it seems I have forgot to include that picture in to this video. Alternatively I have chosen not to publish that information in that time. As said, it´s hard to remember everything so clearly after 3 years. But as I said earlier, I do have nice photo where these blades drack pick positions are compered with two different ways.
@KP-zd3hcАй бұрын
@@Annisk8s thank you so much. :) I asked because I was forced to go down a blade length due to using Risport boots that require a smaller blade. I use the Legacy blades because my feet are so used to 8’rockers, but I am so annoyed that the drag pick is now so much closer. I’m looking into the Pattern 99 now, thank you!
@Annisk8sАй бұрын
@KP-zd3hc Are you sure you will get 8´ rocker when you buy P99 blades? I would not. JW seems to have couple manual grinding phases in their manufacturing process and this leads to changes in their profiles. However you mentioned that drag pick positioning is now the main pain point. I will try to find some way to show you the difference your are interested.
@ziadkhedr4244Ай бұрын
Where can i buy this contraption ?????
@Annisk8sАй бұрын
@ziadkhedr4244. This is something what I made by my selves. First made 3D model and then I printed it with 3D printer. Unfortunately tool is less or more blade specific and rounds the edge quite easily. As it uses sand paper, and papers thickness also vary, it cause some problems. I have never used it to any skater blades. I have used it to study if hollow polishing is possible without rounding the edge. If you are living in Europe and are interested to test it, we may find some solution for it.
@kylehicks71303 ай бұрын
Hello! Thank you for posting all your knowledge. Can you post a video of your balancing process?
@Annisk8s3 ай бұрын
I am happy to see that someone sees my videos to be interesting. Wheel balancing is very slow process and requires patient. I tried 3D-printed wheel balancing washer where I have three screws in the T-slot. Idea I copied from the commercial versions of wheel balancers meant for larger wheels. You can see one commercial versio of the balancing washer in @Clough42 video. I am not sure why same idea was not working in 3" wheels I use. I still use hot glue to make fine balancing. You need to note that wheel balance changes all the time you use it. Typically you need to reduce weight when wheel diameter reduces. I can post video where I balance one wheel, but I can already tell that its boring to watch :D
@kylehicks71303 ай бұрын
@@Annisk8s thank you! I would definitely watch it and would not find it boring. Do you rebalance the wheel after every time you re-dress it?
@Annisk8s2 ай бұрын
@@kylehicks7130 I will post the balancing video, but it takes some time before I have time to do it. Summer is so short in here and I do have plenty of things to do. I do dress my wheel minimum 3 times per one skate. Rebalancing the wheel even after every skate pair would be overkilling. I rebalance the wheel approx. after 10-15 pairs of skates.
@SterlingSnyder-ef5yc3 ай бұрын
It is fortunate that the little flat spot falls in the non-skatable-zone and should have virtually no impact on how the blade skates. Sadly, I have a pair where one blade has a flat, a little lager, about one inch behind the NSZ where it really will have an impact.
@Annisk8s3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately this seems to be more and more common issue in brand new Wilson blades. It is not catastrophic when its close to the toe picks and if you have cross grinder, but still I would not like to see that in new blades. I do never see same issue in factory new Ultima blades. Wilson seems still to use lots of manual work in their manufacturing processes. Example NSZ lengths may vary quite a lot between the blade pairs and even between right and left blade. I agree that more further from the toe picks the flat spot exist, more severe it is. Usually I see these badly destroyed spinning rockers in the blades which has been sharpened several times with Prosharp machine.
@kylehicks71303 ай бұрын
Very cool square. Can you share where you purchased that?
@Annisk8s3 ай бұрын
Try to use following search words in the Google picture search => BEVEL EDGE SQUARES, ADJUSTABLE DIN 875/0
@kylehicks71303 ай бұрын
@@Annisk8s thank you!
@issacasimov4 ай бұрын
Is this blade too small for this boot?
@Annisk8s3 ай бұрын
The blade and boot is brand new so it was chosen to be like this. It is some kind of trend that people want shorter blades than in the past. Reason why blades are mounted 4-5mm from tip relates to Gold Seals toe pick positioning. In Gold Seals drag pick is further than toe plate.
@beautybyajj4 ай бұрын
👏🏻
@wallyhell58344 ай бұрын
What will be the issue to skaters if the blade isn’t straight after mounting
@Annisk8s4 ай бұрын
@wallyhell5834 If the blade is not straight, it will lead most likely to uneven edges when blade is sharpened. In the other words, when sharpening machine axis travels straight and blade isn't straight, hollow will not come in to the middle of blade. You may get some spot where edges are in level, but its not enough. Sharpening machines skate carriage may straighten a bit the blade, but you should not trust this too much. Another possible problem is that the skate will turn in the direction the blade is bent and therefore you may have difficulties especially with one foot glides.
@sporty.seb14 ай бұрын
Is this a special precision square made for blade testing or just a normal one used in engineering?
@Annisk8s4 ай бұрын
Its designed for engineering. You can find more information about this square by reading comments from the video kzbin.info/www/bejne/epPVg2aed9mgbZI
@issacasimov5 ай бұрын
I was thinking whether to customize a buffering wheel or 3000 grit grinding stone for IE machine just to polish the hollow. The thickness of the wheel has to be thin.
@Annisk8s5 ай бұрын
@issacasimov I have tried Blademaster BW3 (Norton 66261019852) buffing wheels which are thinner. They have some amount of thickness variation and axial runout which lead to edge rounding. If you have exact proposal of wheel type what to test, I can try that. Problem in 3000 grit wheel would be that it would spin too fast. It would require also constant liquid cooling to prevent grinding wheel clogging. I have tried ones wheels which were custom made with correct radius, but they were not working at all. They just "jumped" on the blade and basically didn't cut anything and it cause terrible noise!
@issacasimov5 ай бұрын
Check PBHE, they have pattern grinding that works
@issacasimov4 ай бұрын
@@Annisk8s I agreed, the following wheel should be right at the centre like Brian's. . I have been experimenting CNC profiling and maybe even laser polishing/sharpening method.
@issacasimov4 ай бұрын
I use IE and Pro-Sharp automatic machine myself. Pro-Sharp maintain profile quite well, occasionally I use IE to do fine finishes .
@gerardmarc59265 ай бұрын
ouah, ouah. cela m'interesse beaucoup. mais il faudrait trouver une solutions pour eviter d'arrondir les bords. la glisse de la pierre est magnifique , c'est pourquoi cela m'interesse beaucoup et c'est logique, le patineur ira plus vite avec la même force. je pense que la pierre qui est au milieu et qui polit , il faudrait qu'elle soit certainement un peu ovale pour appuyer plus au milieu et peut etre jusqu'au 3/4 des bords taillant
@Annisk8s5 ай бұрын
@gerardmarc5926 J'ai fabriqué près de 10 pièces d'outils de polissage très similaires avec des diamètres de cylindre différents. J'ai réduit le diamètre par pas d'environ 2 à 3 mm, mais ils ont quand même arrondi le bord. Les cylindres imprimés n'ont pas de remplissage à 100 %, donc je ne sais pas s'ils sont trop mous, ont-ils trop d'écart de rondeur, se déplacent-ils de manière non parallèle sur la rainure ou est-ce la poussière de meulage qui arrondit le bord. Il serait plus facile de résoudre le problème si je savais ce qui cause cet arrondi des bords. Votre idée de faire un cylindre ovale est intéressante, mais ne serait-ce pas fondamentalement la même chose si je réduisais le diamètre du cylindre? I have made close to 10 piece of very similar polishing tool with different cylinder diameters. I did reduce the diamater apporox 2-3mm steps, but still they did round the edge. Printed cylinders does not have 100% infill so I am not sure if they are too soft, do they have too much roundness deviation, do they travel unparallel on groove or is it the grinding dust which round the edge. It would be easier to solve the problem if I would know what causes this edge rounding. Your idea to make oval cylinder is interesting, but wouldnt it be basically same thing is I reduce the diameter of cylinder?
@issacasimov6 ай бұрын
Would using small wheel first then large wheel for final polish pass works best? Larger fine wheel allows faster rpm and more refine finishes?
@Annisk8s5 ай бұрын
At the moment I do not see any working solution to make hollow polishing with power grinder. That is why I have tried test / develop Pro-filer type of hand polishing tool. As soon I have managed to recover my computer, which operating system crashed, I will publish new video about this procedure.
@issacasimov6 ай бұрын
Wissota sells a tool called Speed skate that may work. From their site “Our precisely machined tool contains a patent pending material that buffs and polishes the bottom of the skate blade WITHOUT dulling the edges since the material is soft enough to conform to the hollow of your skate blade. “
@issacasimov6 ай бұрын
Have you ever compared small vs large grinding wheels finishes?
@mathieugiraldeau6 ай бұрын
I’d like to know what jig you are using (brand). (I use the wissota) and also what edge checker is this (and where to get it if you can). Thanks :)
@Annisk8s6 ай бұрын
I am using Incredible Edger. In this video you see their figure skate carriage. That I use in traditional steel blades as well as in aluminum framed blades, like Matrix and Paramount. In JW revolution blades I need to use IE hockey carriage. www.iceskateology.com/Skateology/Price_List.html I do like precision and that is why I am using adjustable precision square. Try to use following search words and search pictures => BEVEL EDGE SQUARES, ADJUSTABLE DIN 875/0 Wissota is otherways nice machine, but I do not like its large wheel size. It increases risk to destroy spinning rocker in the way what you can see in some of my videos. However lots of skate techs are using large wheel machines. Small wheel machines has their own weaknesses, but I still not would change back to large wheel machine.
@DjLevisN16 ай бұрын
This is scary
@Annisk8s6 ай бұрын
If people would look their blades, they would probably realize that the skate tech what they have keps professional, is not nessessary so professional. Unfortunate many figure skate shops are making terrible sharpenings.
@gerardmarc59266 ай бұрын
il est difficile de traduire ce que vais ecrire ici mais j'espère que tu comprendra: ma fille m'a demandé de lui affuter ces patins, alors qu'ils en avaient pas tellement besoin, et sa maman( ma femme) me dit' ils étaient plus coupant/tranchant quand c'était le magasin qui affutait'. Attention , elle n'a pas dit qu'ils étaient mieux affutés par le magasin mais juste plus tranchant/coupant. Et c'est là que ta vidéo est super interessante car on voit trés bien les dents de scie! C'est super facile à faire ces dents de scie! Tout comme toi, et tu le sais j'équilibre le mieux possible mes meules et j'arrive à éviter ces dents de scie et c'est en cela que débute un bon affuteur... je répète sans cesse cela à ma femme qui ne comprends pas bien, même si elle me fait confiance. Nous n'avons toujours pas de patinoire dans ma ville de puis 2 Ans et faisons toujours 140 km pour amener ma fille patiner 2 fois par semaine, et elle est toujours 2eme ou 3eme meilleure française à 12 ans avec mon affutage et je reste persuadé qu'il vaut mieux avoir des patins bien affutés que mal affutés!
@Annisk8s6 ай бұрын
I can understand your writings. Google translates pretty nicely. Chatter-marks are very common issue. In my opinion if affects more to gliding properties than how sharp edges feels. You can get razor sharp edges by using coarse grit wheel on machine, by dressing wheel with fast movement, using coarse hand hone for deburring and tilting the hand hone more than needed in the deburring phase. With my experience skaters does not like razor sharp edges, because skates feels even too sharp in the beginning and you need skate longer before the edges feels normal again. My target is that skates feels "normal" right after the sharpening. Imagine that you should sharpen blades day before competitions. Can you do it, if skates requires one week running in period? Even I have not seen either of the sharpening s you mention, I am confident that you are doing better job than any other sharpener in France. You are interested about technical things and you try to develop your selves and your methods all the time. That it what I appreciate!
@gerardmarc59266 ай бұрын
Tes vidéos sont superbes, et surtout super bien filmées et très bien expliquées. Tu es le meilleur affûteur que je connais et tu dois très certainement être un des meilleurs affûteur au monde. Continue à faire cela.
@Annisk8s6 ай бұрын
Thank you Marc for your kind words! I don't think I'm the best in the world. My secret is that I'm willing to spend more time sharpening s and development than the pros. Just like you. A very important characteristic of a good sharpener is that you are more interested about the quality than in making skates with as little effort as possible. There is always something what could be improved in your own work and that is what motivates me. You are never the world best, because everyone has their own weaknesses / limitations. If I would like to be closer to world best title, I should grind blades using pattern and polish the hollows to mirror finish. They are still on my development to-do-list. Since I've never even skated on figure skates, my opinions are based on measurements or something what I can visually or audibly witness. What I bring up is the opposite of many other videos where they mostly hype something they don't even understand. Maybe I'm a hardened pessimist, but I feel like I only see problems. How much these problems that I bring up affect skating, everyone has to judge for themselves.
@gerardmarc59266 ай бұрын
je pense qu'il faudrait avoir une meule de polissage moins large que la lame pour ne pas atteindre les bord: si la lame fait 4mm il faudrait essayer une meule de polissage de 3mm ou3.5mm ?
@Annisk8s6 ай бұрын
I used 3D-printed tool, which is my own design for the polishing. So I didn't use power grinder for polishing. My tool should not touch the edge in the way that it rounds the edge, but still it happens. I do not fully understand why.
@issacasimov6 ай бұрын
Maybe tape the edge with like Kapton tape
@Annisk8s6 ай бұрын
I think tape will not help, but I can try that also@@issacasimov
@Annisk8s5 ай бұрын
Today I tried proposed tape trick. Not with Kapton tape, just with normal office tape. It helped a bit, but did not prevent edge rounding. @@issacasimov
@sigriddahlberg50457 ай бұрын
Very interesting, particularly the difference in mass and in touch point. The angled edges from the chrome relief grinding are terrible.
@issacasimov8 ай бұрын
I use machinist parallel sets 5 holes with magnet at the middle. So many factory warped blades from JW/MK .
@Annisk8s7 ай бұрын
I assume your method is very similar than what Precision blade honing enterprises promotes. I just do not understand how or where you use the magnet. Do you use some BAT gauge which has holes as "a scale"? In PBHE method you need to ensure that hollow is ground in to the middle of blade. Factory grinding are typically heavily uneven, which may lead to faulty conclusions.
@issacasimov8 ай бұрын
I have mounted several Edea ‘s and always eye balled the center and adjust after skater put the skate on. I have seen many inconsistency with their boots. The stitches line is always not centered
@Annisk8s7 ай бұрын
This video was related to another KZbin video where the guy was explaining how he positions blade by eye balling insole. I can understand inconsistency in the boots, which means that the outer sole is not either 100% reliable datum, but I do not fully understand how you can eye ball blade in to the middle of the insole. At least I do not have X-ray vision. Maybe the problem is just in my English skills? I use always outer sole center point as a starting point for the blade positioning. No matter what method is used to position the blade, each skater foots are unique. It is also so that not so many skater are able to tell if the blade is position correctly or not. There are also several other problems in the blade´s mounting and that is why this task is not my favorite things.
@issacasimov7 ай бұрын
I also used vertical laser to check alignment. Again chorus QC is hit or miss. Ice Fly and Piano are much better.
@issacasimov9 ай бұрын
Have you try using just a tiny buffering wheel hand tool?
@issacasimov9 ай бұрын
😱
@gerardmarc59269 ай бұрын
Every time I sharpen a beginner's skates I explain to them to get off the ice track with blade guards. and these same blade guards, I tell them to clean them regularly
@Annisk8s9 ай бұрын
That is good way of working. However kids forget our advice's pretty soon :)
@issacasimov8 ай бұрын
I have seen worst, 2mm deep 😅
@gerardmarc59269 ай бұрын
congratulations on these beginnings of testing
@issacasimov3 ай бұрын
Did you get any answers from them?
@sigriddahlberg5045 Жыл бұрын
🤯🤯🤯
@Annisk8s6 ай бұрын
Do you ever see similar blades?
@issacasimov Жыл бұрын
that was done by automatic machine
@issacasimov Жыл бұрын
I noticed the newer blade has more QC problems. Also the older gold seal you have uses harder mix metal ( more blue ) .
@issacasimov Жыл бұрын
Is that parabolic blade?
@Annisk8s Жыл бұрын
No, these are not parabolic blades. They are tapered and side honed, just like normal Gold Seal´s.
@sigriddahlberg5045 Жыл бұрын
Excellent study of these two blades, thanks!
@Annisk8s8 ай бұрын
You are welcome!
@terka522 күн бұрын
@Annisk8s which ypu will recommend and which one is better currently please?😊
@barbarab202 Жыл бұрын
What is this and how would it be expected to affect performance?
@Annisk8s Жыл бұрын
Chatter marks which has come from the poor sharpening, which was not even requested. Blades were purchased without sharpening, but they were still sharpened. This Skate-tech seems not to care at all the quality and she does not seems to know how the machine should be operated correctly. I would assume poor grinding causes at least friction and therefore poor gliding properties. Imagine that this skate blade would be old school shaving knife where one side of the blade is honed with very fine grit stone and lapped with leather belt and another side is just grind with angle grinder.
@gerardmarc5926 Жыл бұрын
we see that you have balanced the blademaster grinding wheel! where do you find blademaster polishing wheels in finland? in europe (if so where)? or direct canada or america? I really think you have to try this wheel and,...with diamond paste! I wouldn't find this wheel in France and so I don't think anyone polishes skates in my country. but I insist on saying that it must bring a little more to the glide. The Wolcraft grinding wheel that you tried is quite flexible but with speed, it hardens. will have to see the difference in flexibility with the blademaster. I did not understand if that had damaged the sharpening, the cutting edge?
@issacasimov5 ай бұрын
@@Annisk8s I think the solution is using a thinner felt wheel , like 3mm thickness with polishing wax. Regular felt wheel won’t stay in shape, need support frame.
@sigriddahlberg50452 жыл бұрын
That is a pretty significant difference in taper!
@jackabicki37442 жыл бұрын
😚 ρяσмσѕм
@georgeyu75552 жыл бұрын
Shimming with some guess work which side should be more. And check the evenness on the places of all three stanchions, may God bless you. The manufacturing of blades have not progress so much since 1980 something. We cannot have a say in it, isn't it?
@Annisk8s2 жыл бұрын
I agree that many imperfections are coming for following reason... 1. Some manufacturers manufacturing technologies has stuck somewhere in 80-century and way too manufacturing phases are still handcrafted 2. Manufacturers want to maximize profits => high volumes / faster production with low investments rate or outsourced production. 3. Customers and skate techs does not inspect blades, so you can put almost anything to markets and nobody notices that. What comes to this specific case, I think the problem are not necessary related to old fashioned way to produce blades. Its not so easy to keep blade straight when there are couple manufacturing phases where steel gets quite a lot of heat. First there is laser cutting and after that other difficult processes for blade straightness are bracing / induction hardening. Steel behaves sometimes unexpected way when there is internal stresses before or after these process steps. We can only guess what is the root cause if blade is more straight from one side than the other. It could come example from the polishing, which is probably needed before chroming, or some manufacturing phase has caused some dents which has been removed for visual reasons before chroming. Only manufacturer know the real root cause. I will check edges evenness always at least three sections of the blade (see my other videos). When the edges were even in both ends, the middle section was not. This was actually the trigger to me start investigate why I have problems some on blades even I thought everything is OK before I started sharpening. If I would super perfectionist, I would check edges evenness from both sides of the blade. This I will not do because it would drive me probably crazy, if I have too many datum's and they give different result. Stanchions I cannot normally use for edges evenness check, because skate is mounted to skate holder from the stanchions. Its good to keep mind that about 95% of skate techs are using some kind of BAT gauge which will never take contact to stanchions. As said in the video, this is kind of straightness defect is not necessary any issue if your skate holder is not contacting to all three stanchions.
@georgeyu75552 жыл бұрын
@@Annisk8s Thanks for you prompt reply. Yeah I totally agree with you about the reason why the imperfection in blades can persist. And, about the stanchions evenness checking I just have it in my mind that the "side honed" blades are included. It's my fault that I forgot to mention that. Actually, using stanchions for checking the evenness is the last ditch for possible reference. God knows what the side hone can do to a blade's geometry!! Thanks again for you interesting Video!
@sigriddahlberg50452 жыл бұрын
What happened to the heel plate on the first blade?!?
@Annisk8s2 жыл бұрын
Its mine new super secret invention. I have installed servo motor inside the boot heel. I can remote control servo motor with my laptop and steer skates while my daughter skates in the competitions. Whole skating performance is programmed to "CNC program". I think its not forbidden in ISU´s rules :) I have patented this invention. Seriously talking, they are just broken blade.
@sigriddahlberg50452 жыл бұрын
@@Annisk8s when you actually develop this, I will help with testing!
@rawsunnata8292 жыл бұрын
So, what does it mean? Are those blades good for which skaters?
@Annisk8s2 жыл бұрын
It means that they do not have same profile as Coronation Ace, they do not have consistent 7 ft rocker radius and edges are heavy rolled. Video is demonstrating how "World best blades" are looking. Answer to question whom should use these blades, that I cannot comment. Its same as I should recommend some certain shoes brand to the people. Every skater is unique and I do not have Chrystal ball which would tell what you like. Personally I do not recommend blades which does have chrome removal grinding to anyone. That is anyhow just my personal opinion. I am focusing more to technical things on blades than what is the best blade to certain skater.
@rawsunnata8292 жыл бұрын
@@Annisk8s I set those blades on my son’s skates and he began skating better with them😀
@andreaelizabeth54942 жыл бұрын
@@Annisk8s so the CA standard and the CA lite blades don’t have the same profile? That is not what the manufacturer says.
@Annisk8s2 жыл бұрын
@@andreaelizabeth5494 you need to read more carefully what manufacturer promises. They promise that rocker radius in both blades would be 7ft. Probably you are not aware what rocker radius means, so please take a look this page => scarletskater.wordpress.com/2017/06/02/blade-profiles/ Now when you know meaning of rocker radius, take a look my video from the position 0:54 . There you will see picture from the gauge which measures rocker radius. Focus where there is 7´ marking and jump back to beginning of my video and try to see how well they have succeeded to make 7ft radius. This rocker radius is not anyhow the secret of figure skate blades and therefore I would not focus too much for it. When I am talking about the profile, I am focusing more to spinning area where the all magic happens.
@sigriddahlberg50452 жыл бұрын
Shocking inconsistency, particularly for a blade in that price range.