god i love you

Tome is still the way to go for m+ i assume right?

Why do you "randomly" cast Alter Time then cancel it sometimes?

Are you buying shield ring next week or vessel?

@Manather Does Diurna's proc more with SF and Vessel or is BSL always the play?

is cloak and staff a safe bet if you're mainly doing m+?

This wl 😂

Whats up, any chance you can add a clip or image of how you sim for m+ if you do at all. I sim 5 targets at 1min or other short times. Just not sure what best way to do it is.

is icon better or OCE better for m+?

I thought I was going to lock in an Icon, but no matter how I play with my stats. It's a downgrade from Umbrels and Vessel. Oh well. I guess it's Diurna's this week.

Arcane sims for more damage than fire and frost for me ,should I play that ?

So is Whispering Incarnate Icon still considered top tier for raid or M+? I saw it listed in a few gear guides and you mentioned it in your last Vault video, so I chose to buy that with my first Bullion. Then the trinket recommendations seemed to suddenly change. Did i make a mistake?

So BIS trinket setup now (for raiding) is Belo'relos and Essence of Shadow with Eranog ring and 1 BSL 1 Shadowflame embellishment?

they reverted the damage nerf on tome and only capped the aoe

Bro I have a question for you I'm rocking frost atm and I do high st even with mythic+ build but the problem is I do literally zero aoe even though I use the frostorb+blizzard+comets+coc+frostorb+comets combo... I don't know why, it feels like my aoe spells are just doing 0 damage, why is that?

Seen a lot of top mages running Wafting Devotion enchant on their weapon Instead of Sophic. Is Haste really better than straight Int???

Your UI is cool, how to have one like this ?

Frost: hit everything that procs basically right? Im leveling a mage rn and im really enjoying it lol

What about nerfed tome? do we still use it or only in brokeback hollow/fortified weeks?

As a new mage player (mained warrior for like 15 years), i love frost, plays amazing, i love the theme of arcane and the spells look amazing, but theres so much to the spec i don't even know where to start with it.

sorry to bother you again but what our BIS trinkets i know one of them is tome but what is the 2nd?

The biggest problem I see in the arcane tree is that it is just too much clutter of talents and you practically need almost every talent and that limits your choices for the keynodes. However, removing nether tempest will most likely make arcane echo useless so that does safe one point. But I would really like if they limit the amount of talents required to go to the keynodes.

The GOAT <3 Would you be able to do a commentary video over one of these? or show the spell timeline on screen. I feel like I have Frost Single Target down but AOE is still way off for me.

Tone of unstable power, I must hagve ran 30 AV so far still dont have it, this trinket is just nuts

Despise radiant spark and nether tempest they make arcane feel bad. So happy they are finally seeing reason.

Nether tempest removed from the game…. YESSSS!! I take it but never use it unless I have all my CDs.. so dumb to delay my dmg by a GCD just so I can apply this wonky aoe modifier.

Reverberate removed? grrrrrrrrr......

I dont understand 😂

I dont go to the mage trainer to learn, i go to manather

Speak for yourself. I like the frost changes so far. I didn't particularly like no ice lance, but I do like Frost bolt actually doing damage and generating more damage with procs. GS can have another 3 year break. I will not miss it.

how do you proc the rings ? bouth sais fire dmg procs them and there bis for frost mage but i dont know how to proc them

Sir, what is your thoughts on fire? It feels weak compared to frost in keys.

sims say wafting but I see a lot of spohic which is better in your opinion?

For deathborne, we do have frostfire bolt hitting harder than frostbolt and adding a dot component. There's also a talent that makes it 1.8s seconds cast before haste. Frostfire empowerment will also make it hit harder and cleave further. I guess you would go into a loop of casting frostfire bolt until you're about to trigger both excess, flurry the last frostfire bolt to spend excess frost, ice lance once to spend the excess fire, and repeat. You also get more AoE damage from the free living bomb, especially if they tune it properly for fire.

My guess is that instead of using nether tempest to conserve mana before evo we'll be using orb and burden of power

Spellslinger arcane is going to be so amazing. I can’t wait for next expac

The frost updates are super sad...they must get rid of boring glacial gameplay! And pls..that spellslinger tree...is super lazy and meh! Get rid of it and make something INNOVATIVE and fun! Like a hero tree around the perma frost pet and the arcane pet (new golem maybe?)! That would be fun! Also fractured frost is super meh. Nobody wants to play the boring Deathborn style again :( ! I rly hope they bring MORE good ideas and not that garbage for the frost spec in the addon.

Far less buttons? I like the sound of that. I like complexity and talent options, but the number of buttons for most specs have been out of control for a long time imo.

As someone that has only played Arcane since shadowlands up until this current season, I do miss having arcane barrage mean something other than just a rotational piece for aoe and pretty non existent for single target. They seem to want to have pieces of our rotation buff other pieces but they essentially let barrage fall to the way side, especially with harmony being removed completely from the possibility to even being used at this point and nothing to give a similar effect within the system. At this point arcane missiles shouldn't even be a button but just a proc based on arcane blast and arcane explosion since you cant even cast it without clear casting. I would love them to make barrage something more single target based for damage to give us the ability to make builds around it for single target instead of just two button spam. One thing about Arcane as someone that has played not super high keys, only averaged around 20-22 at most on key level, is that amount of time it takes to get into the rotation in AOE and or single target when you include evocation, spark, surge, and touch+barrage (didnt include nether tempest since its being removed) in moderate key levels, most of the targets are nearly dead by the time you are doing damage with semi conscious dps players in the group. Then, of all things, you have to consider what target has touch, because if it dies early then a huge portion of your damage vanishes into smoke, which really should just jump to the next closest target until it explodes. I hope they've fixed the issue with arcane battery clear casting consumption with arcane explosion too since if you ate the last one with explosion you would just sputter out missiles with the next clearcasting. Max stacks of arcane battery ( now aether attunement ), once hit, should just be there to be used when ever you decide to use instead of putting it on a timer but instead of missiles doing more damage give us a harmony esque damage buff to the next arcane barrage, so that, you actually rotate using abilities at some point in aoe.

I don’t have a lot of opinions on arcane but on frost I would love it if they had a choice node with glacial spike - it’s beloved by many but certainly not by me and it being mandatory for frost is the main reason my sub is inactive till war within. I don’t love the death borne frost bolt spam so I agree that they need to keep developing frost to truly build out a couple of alternative play styles to the current glacial-spike-is-everything model.

They've mentioned both hero talents will give arcane more access to clear casting in the mage feedback forums. I wouldn't rate these changes based on your current understanding of the class without having access to all the changes and each hero spec

you really need to work on your vocal fry, sounds awful

I think that to make a deathborne build viable, we would need that every frostbolt during icy veins gives 1 icicle and that every glacial spike increases spell damage as well, so the rotation in icy veins could be frostbolt twice into a glacial spike, which would make more sense in a talent tree where frostbolt is a filler ability, which would compensate for the short icy veins/death's chill uptime. But fundamentally, I fear that it is just an overforced build that will create anti-synergy and make a dissonant frost tree again. Since frost mage has changed significantly since Shadowlands, it really feels weird they are trying to bring Deathborne like that as glacial spike as a much more interactive and consistent gameplay.

Frost - some of their intentions are to make easy options right? Maybe the deathborne playstyle is for that purpose - make it simple

having the s3 2 piece is big stinky, hopefully they remove it or change the timer to 60 seconds at least also happy to see reverberate go, the rng was annoying to try to react to mid pull, i think a talent thats more along the lines of "if arcane explosion damages x enemies, it generates one additional arcane charge" would fit nicely and flow with the rotation. (consistency is much nicer for me) i wonder if you'd cast a clearcasting arcane explosion even if you have max charges to get the nether precision bonus to barrage theres another frostbolt talent in deep shatter but omegalul taking deep shatter (wintertide too but thats more for the ice lance damage and the fb damage is inconsequential) great vid, hope they keep cooking with the specs and make mage a little different to keep it interesting to play

At least if frost becomes too bad, I'll have the courage to try out arcane

low key feels like theres not much thought in a lot of the class changes they make because there isnt anyone at blizz thats passionate/knowledgeable about the class or specs, its happening with warrior they are basically just guessing what to do

I remember the first pull on that Ravendreth dungo using Deathboner Mage on a 24, I lusted and died... I couldn't make up the damage. Got kicked after the 2nd pull because my damage was trash... canon event. I've never been kicked like that ever. The 3min CD was rough in comparison to like Boomy with Ravenous Frenzy 3min CD.

For Frost: I worry that they're not cooking hard enough with the talent tree. The gameplay / rotation of Frost both in AoE and ST are insanely fun atm (god please add in the S3 tier set to the talent tree...), but the fact that we only change 3 spec talents between AoE and ST is a huge red flag, and I don't think any of these current changes affect that much (like you said, FB does almost no damage). I definitely don't want Frost to go so far as to be a "only does ST / only does AoE" spec, but the class tree itself is so set in stone that it's nearly dead

Maybe they over did it but I'm not gonna cry over mana gem and tempest being gone, a lot of nice changes overall but i wish they'd make missiles do more damage the longer you channel or something so we don't end up cancelling in favour of precision buff, especially since you can now only access missiles through clearcast, i feel like it should be a bigger ability