So strange, a thought came to my mind: I am a small little flower, what humans doesn't know is that we all flowers can become which ever human smell, feel or see us, when i chouse a human, my flower body will become whatever I choose as a Human, in the process i lost all my memories of my flower life😢, now everything that i have left from that flower is anything i can remember from the first time i made "eye contact with this human". Now I am waking up, and all of it were just a dream 😊

Gold right here!

Thank you, thank you and thank you again. Great talk.

The consciousness is infinite and so cannot go from point a to point b. There is no action, no evolution for consciousness possible in nature or any evidence for consciousness ever having had a goal. This would imply consciousness has an agenda. Only the unconsciousness can have an agenda to control and so conversely, it can often go from point a to point b and back again quite naturally. Any suffering is caused by the patterns of unconsciousness, not by consciousness. Consciousness, identifies the hazards and puts the tendency for suffering into reverse so we don't need a pill or a life-hack medicine we just need to accept, we need the gift of consciousness and that will be enough to put an end to the plague of unconsciousness we are suffering.

After this there is no need for any scientific understanding nor spiritual understanding !

Since the mid 90s, I've seen Paradox at the very foundation of any "realistic Ontology". Space/Time is a Paradox. Consciousness is a Paradox. Life is a Paradox. Any given set of circumstances will burn down to reveal a Paradox at it's core. I think our "rules" for Logic are incomplete because they don't treat Paradox correctly, and insist that it is a violation of Logic, itself. But Logic itself, is based on Paradox, a la Godel. I also think that insisting that the Universe be "consistent" is also a fallacy. The Universe is dynamic. The conversations and conventions we use to formulate our models need to reflect these deeper truths and we need to step away from the Western obsession of Reductionism, Consistency, and the elimination of Paradox. I don't think we'll make genuine "progress" (whatever that is), until we have better tools and language to delve into the genuine Paradox of why there is Something instead of Nothing.

The essence of pure meditation is a timeless experience without the experidncer to even put into words. Only later there's an attempt to express in words what it felt like being united with totality of consciousness, be it animal, vegetable or mineral.

The thought experiment about the skydive or whatever presupposes that the desire for a pleasurable experience is inherent or fundamental to human existence. The point of the experiment falls apart when the desire for any experience is removed. This of course opens up to the question, if you let go of desire and agency, what will be left? The identified-as-a-self mind is afraid of finding out because it cannot comprehend anything outside of its identification with itself as an agent.

Bernardo was so humble in the presence of his idol that he robbed the audience of his insights and intuitions..... bernard could have paid attention, and let Bernardo answer first sometimes.....

For anyone interested in a comparative perspective, James Maffie's book "Aztec Philosophy: Understanding A World In Motion" shows that ancient Mesoamerican worldview was almost identical to Advaita, except that "Teotl" itself moves and changes--an emphasis on Becoming rather than Being. So maybe it was more like Kashmiri Shaivism, if I am understanding correctly the description which was given by Sarva Priyananda in this video. The way Maffie categorises "Teotlism" is that it is a "dual-aspect monism".

Hypotheses.

At 1:16:25, Michael Levin described our status as complex conscious creatures as “horrible” because there is no way to have our hands clean. That sounds like an awful existential situation. How is God good and love if this is the case? This seems like the worst possible situation ever. Why are all you excited and happy about this? It makes me angry

The brain as a clock along with a sort of master clock that is the circuit of the body relating to the world energy, along with gut and soil etc bacteria clocking of ratio as a statistical result that feeds back to the brain or maybe not, and sensory light input with inferring from that might be one way to see waking up. We infer from the clock of the green of a plant that most accurately isn't the plant. Perhaps this applies to a result from bacteria so the endocrine infers from what isn't the bacteria which is accurate enough to clock with since what is the bacteria is so variable. Thanks for the show! edit: answered just before the 2hr mark, it brings in space time which is a problem since the body is too warm for quantum/space time translation. A lovely talk.

@1:17:36 Thomas Metzinger is almost quoting Jiddu Krishnamurti.

Truly outstanding and enlightening conversation.!

In "Theravada" Buddhism in Sri Lanka, all enlightened "Baghavath Buddhas" appear on earth , after eons of life times of purification of the mind, as a fulfilling universal qualification to perfecting qualities of "conscious energies" described in Sri Lankan Buddhist " pali" canon / texts "marghadi " Buddhas' spoken sound language written Pali Tripitaka" as "paramitha kamma" (perfectible universal deeds). The Baghavath Buddha has described sentience beings existing in 31 realms. All creations in this universe are "energies" with influence of the six ( 6 ) aggregates "elements" 1. sound (ears ), 2. taste ( tongue ), 3, smell (nose ) 4. seeing (eyes ). 5. touch (Body ), 6, feelings(heart ), under "causality" cause & effect . The Buddha has described how universal energy called "kamma" manifests in human form, through human faculties of seeing, hearing, smelling, taste, touch & mind (past experiences) called " SANKARA " energy , in Pali canon, through Human 6 aggregates, " amalgamating" with external world experiences of feelings through the Human "Heart Organ ", as electrical waves signals to develop a "seed" to become "conscious energy", which continues to the brain as a "thought", and this continuation of experience is stored in the "subconscious" mind in the human brain called "mano" (pali ) (mind) in Buddhism. This" perception " action is called "thought". Thought becomes a conscious energy, called "kamma/karma" = consciousness + phenomenon, extinguish from once life . "Theravada Buddhism " in sri Lanka thripitaka

Hoffman uses mathematical terms - Markovian dynamics, decorated permutations? - I can’t begin to understand, whereas Levin speaks within my scope of comprehension… so therefore I’m going with Levin on everything here…ha!

Phylosophy starts when Science ends

22:10 This guy really just said, "Michael, your attempts are cute, I see what you're doing and your attempts are adorable". Lmao 😂 How calmly condescending. With chuckles and smirks to boot 😆

Anything can appear in consciousness and be intelligent, but it can’t create the conscious field that it appears in. The body mind are the objects appearing in consciousness just like AI. How would the AI create awareness, here, now, love, peace?

A conversation: when you believe that the other person has something worth knowing. This was one. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 Thank you all

I was surprised that several key areas about suffering were not mentioned, or only marginally alluded to. 1. The major causes of human suffering in this world are wars, famine, poverty, along with illness. If one is interested in eliminating suffering in the human species, these are primary areas to focus on eliminating: wars, famine, poverty, … 2. Physical suffering has a purpose. Children with pain asymbolia do not suffer physical pain (not sure about mental pain). They break limbs easily and keep on playing causing more destruction to their bodies; their teeth often have to be removed so they don’t bite their lips. Until recently, these children did not live very long due to self-inflicted bodily injuries. 3. A phenomenologically sentient AI which did not suffer would probably not feel empathy. 4. Without goals and desires (which of course if not fulfilled lead to suffering) why would it, or any of us, want to keep on “living”? 5. And only at the end of the podcast did Thomas bring up the obvious point: if one does not want to create suffering entities, then one aught not have children.

Nine minutes in and I realize that I’m a fucking retard! c checking out boys !

apenas conozco las ideas de metzinger debido a que en español no encuentro sus libros, se de sus experimento y eso pero no he logrado profundizar. al creador del video le quiero preguntar que piensa de metzinger, si esta muy sesgado o no, yo creo que su aporte a la ciencia y a los automodelos, jajajjajajjaj, es muy gande

Control is inherent in the epistemic framework in which the experience takes place

there are no goals? i dont get that at all. what is left if you remove goals?

What Swami shares with us is very interesting and important the Hindu perspective and Buddhist one are very valuable

What an absolutely fabulous conversation! Michael Levin is a superstar. I feel lucky to have had him pass into my conscious awareness.

Reminds me of stories I used to make up about the Quicks and the Slows. The Quicks lifespan and awareness to match are a few seconds, the Slows are 1000s of years. To the quicks we look like lumps of biological matter that form on the earths surface. To the slows we look like a rapidly propagating signal.

I love this talk, and talks like this with great minds comparing interesting views, but for some constructive criticism, maybe live audience questions could instead be submitted written down and then succinctly asked by the moderator.

53:00 re: AI I'm always called back to David Bohm: "it cannot be artificial intelligence, it can only ever be, 'artificial thought'."

Can somebody explain in Layman's terms what they are basically saying? Can you elaborate what the implications are? Also, any good books that would delve into these topics? Thanks in advance!

There's no such thing as one of anything therefore whenever anybody refers to reality as a single reality it is entirely incorrect there is far more than one reality and that's only one tight perception of the white man that shows up here would I like the most about Dr Levin today is that he is exposing the tight perception of the scientist who egotistic thinks he knows Beyond is better than accomplishes more beats his test with pride instead of thinking things through and I'm sorry to say Dr Levin really showed the constraints of the perception of the other person in this video you might want to go back and listen to yourself sir you kind of going circles just say some things that really make sense and then you turn around and use or Express the opposite that's only the beginning fortunately Dr Levin made it better there's no doubt in my mind that his cognitive like cone is far larger and larger does not mean Superior ego man people larger is just larger it is not better it is not Superior it is just bigger there's no doubt his cognitive cone is far larger than the other gentleman in this video I'm sorry I didn't learn your name because you frustrated me thank you for the video❤GEM ❤

lmao imagine thinking selves don't exist.

I cannot know the truth. I know nothing. I dont exist. Who is writing this? Not me.

If you believe in your self you are the self. This is god's act. We are just actors in it. Your intelligence is not yours. It is. Wake up

The truth is in the eating of the pudding. Experience is existence. God is us. Not me nor you. If you want to be the truth, tell the truth. There is no subject. Just a verb. That verb is us. Is god. Is everything. Wake up

Thank you very much for the very short introduction and getting right into it that's the way It should be nowadays.

Prachtig, dank u wel.

If Michael Levin received so many encouraging and positive messages why the comments session in his channel is turn off?

Dear Bernardo, you mentioned flawed understanding of idealism by Sam Harris. However, he advocates non-dualism in his talks. It might be interesting if you both could have a discussion. I have the sense that you might get to a similar position in mind-consciousness exploration.

Wow. Many thanks for arranging this podcast with Professor Jay Garfield. ❤

i’ve been appealing to my thermostats moral intuition for years why didn’t anybody tell me ps levin may not have set this as a goal but they’re becoming one of my fav surrealists

As a scientist, I'm going to make a series of predictions and in some time we'll find out if I was right or not: Levin will get a Nobel prize for one of the many things he has discovered, the primary being the bioelectric field, which I call "eDNA" (ie. electric DNA), since that's what it is, an electrical code, that is like DNA, but encodes the body plan and shape, along with the consciousness, thoughts, memories, emotions, and etc, everything that is YOU, is stored in this code. Much like your DNA, its passed on in the genes from your parents. It IS your soul, your spirit, and one layer of this algorithmic coding is your consciousness. Like DNA, this electric algorithmic code has layers and layers, like any software program run on a computer. Just like a computer is just a brick without software to run on, you are just a flesh vehicle that also runs on software. Animals and other organisms are no less aware or conscious than you or I, they are just, like Levin says, in a "smaller cognitive light cone", I describe it more like a filter of consciousness, we are filtering human, since we are humans, birds are filtering birds, bees are filtering bees, and so on. Obviously other organisms are not on "our level", whatever that is to mean, but the lights are surely definitely on and everything about us we find in everything else, emotionally, and etc., down to even basic cellular processes, which moreso shows all these behaviors we exhibit that we think are unique, are really old processes that have been conserved over time down to even the smallest organic bits and pieces. Which indeed, this whole electrical code, like the organic (biochemical) codes of RNA and DNA, creating the bio-electric-chemical interface, is the crux we've been looking for, something we knew and saw, but didn't bother to explore when it was right under our noses >> we know the brain sends electrical signals throughout the body for functions, but we didn't put together that this works as a coded system..>>> We are software running on hardware, THAT is the answer to many of the philosophical and also biological questions that explains many anomalies, particularly in neurobiology >> I'll elaborate >> > In plenty of instances, when you incur damage to your brain, the brain is damaged, and thus something like say, cognition or consciousness is impaired. BUT, there are also plenty of instances, where damage to the brain happens, and consciousness or other functions are not impacted at all, when they definitely should be. The "dummy" answer was "the brain is somehow compensating", which isn't a real answer. Well, we now have the answer to that (ie. why where there people not impaired when they should be); >> consciousness is NOT stored nor created in the brain, it only taps into the brain >>> consciousness is a product of the bioelectric field, ie. your eDNA, and is only tapping (ie. hacking) into the brain to drive the flesh vehicle. The brain is also tapping into another layer of the bioelectric field to run other autonomic processes that your consciousness does not run. Like any software - hardware interface, there are many firewalls between systems to prevent outside forces from hacking the system, but those firewalls are not always perfect. We've figured out how to electrically override the brain - body interface to hack someone's body.... And we are working on if not have in many ways done the same with the mind/consciousness. One of the real huge discoveries from Levin's discovery will be that this electrical code, your eDNA, ie. your soul, your spirit, including your consciousness, can be transferred from system to system, ie. body to body, or body to computer as it were ...> This means, again, we really are ghosts, and ha, all the historical accounts up to modern day ones, of people seeing and encountering ghosts, are likely true... That is to say, we do not really ever die. This would also infer that technology can be made to capture your ghost as it exists out, wherever it does exist... Indeed if we are transferring your eDNA from one vessel, your body, to a robot body, then we really already are doing this. I can create many dystopian black mirror scenarios that will come when humans realize all these things are real and that we now have the technology to do them. Also, both Ghostbusters and Terminator are documentaries.

Look into the sameness of the frequencies that are talking to each other 😢the inbetween ones that translate from one typeset to the next step of the chains of the communications the heart brain projections the liver and blood traveler's body from head to toes is communications of super fast position or super imposed memory that stays in the cells inside of cells dormant and yet actively managed

Obe can be explained by you know exactly what you look like.... your brain is powerful enough to show you... you in a different frame of imagined experience

Cognitive light cones = levels of intentionality.

God bless Michael Levin. God bless life.

you said you like simplicity, yet give complicated answers and long lists of things to avoid or follow....here is the simplest rule : do not ever create conscious entities, if that's even possible given the idea that consciousness is fundamental and existed before matter. But even in that case, you could create consciousness traps, like our brains are. The highest need of consciousness is meaning, and the biggest suffering is lack of meaning. All created conscious agents will completely lack meaning, so you better come up with a religion for artificial consciousness, knowing in advance it's a lie. Creating consciousness is equivalent to creating conscious suffering, which is the worst. So it's simple dont do it, create intelligence , but conscioisness is the line that shouldnt be crossed

What evidence does Michael have that consciousness "was here before life"? It's like claiming that straight lines existed prior to geometry! I really wish these guys would begin with their underlying assumptions. Wittgenstein famously declared "the world is determined by fact," an unquestioned presumption that misled him from the getgo! 😂