An improvement in service on the NCS Metra line would be better, the trains are higher capacity, have more luggage space, and toilets. With Metra being about 10 minutes faster, the fact there are a lot more amenities on Metra trains, and almost every station between O'Hare and Union has a passing track of some sort (except for River Grove and Western Avenue), an express service on the NCS would be cheaper and make more sense in my eyes.
@Dlioku999Күн бұрын
As someone who works in the Loop, the Metra NCS is amazing for the use-case of needing to get to O'Hare after work. The blue line is at capacity and fully packed during rush hour which makes it really inconvenient if you have luggage. The slightly faster time, especially if traveling to terminal 5, is a bonus as well. The NCS is really nice at providing extra capacity in the Loop->O'Hare direction during peak times and reliving pressure from the blue line.
@broadwayindieКүн бұрын
We have a metra that goes to the airport. No one knows about it and it barely runs.
@d3mo1isher64Күн бұрын
its hard to build extra track for the express trains when the blue line runs between the highway for a good amount of its route to ohare
@trainsdestinations39602 күн бұрын
Amtrak puts in so much padding into their long distance schedules.
@trainsdestinations39602 күн бұрын
RIP Capital Limited
@quartzofcourse2 күн бұрын
Damen! Aaaaaaah fighter of the night man Aaaahhhhhhh Champion of the sun
@chicago-l91252 күн бұрын
The "Block 37" concept and unfortunate end result kinda reminds me of the 2nd Ave subway plan for the NYMTA in Manhattan, NY. Tunnel right-of-way started in the 1970s. However, progress came to a complete halt around 1975. It wasn't until around 2007-08 that funding for the first phase of this subway right-of-way became available; stations from 72nd to 96th streets were finally open for service in early 2017. The second phase, when and IF it's ever completed, will run north from 96th street to 125th street in Harlem. But, for what it's worth, at least a portion of it IS up and running, serving people on Manhattan's upper east side.
@yuckyool2 күн бұрын
Have flown in/out of London a few times, and well, the "Heathrow Express" doesn't really work unless one is headed to Paddington or towards the East or South via the Bakerloo, Circle, or Picaddily lines . . . otherwise, 2 transfers and one might do better. Same with Chicago and the Blue line . . . great for getting to the Northern or Eastern loop, but otherwise, I often hop off Belmont or Logan Square and catch a bus to the North Side. So some of those intermediate stops are probably necessary.
@quartzofcourse2 күн бұрын
I took the blue line to and from ohare when we took a trip back in 2018 and it worked great other than dealing with our luggage, I wouldn’t have paid for an express line if it was an option
@PeterGazis-iz9fe2 күн бұрын
The O’hare Tram should be extended to River’s Casino. Stopping at the Metra station along the way.
@JoebDragonКүн бұрын
don't plan on that to get free parking for your airport trip
@PeterGazis-iz9fe2 күн бұрын
The Blue line has too many stops between O’hare and downtown. CTA should divide them up between an A and B train. Leaving O’hare minutes apart, and stopping at alternate stations. The empty station at Block 37 would be the end of the line for one of the lines
@skywardlp49162 күн бұрын
The idea of a Chicago Airport Express reminds me of Taipei's Airport Line. That is also a very metro-like service with both locals and expresses, proving that it can work if you install lots of passing loops for the Locals, which is very common in Taiwan and Japan. I think the main issue is capacity; the Taipei Airport Line runs 8 trains per hour, 4 Locals and 4 Expresses. That's good for what is essentially a commuter line that happens to use metro-style trains, but not really for a Chicago L-style service. I think that if you want express service on the Blue Line, you need to think of it as a whole line express with stops every 5-ish stations, and not just a direct airport to downtown link (which I suspect would be better as a METRA service than an L one). Maybe I am just an 'every railway should be like the Keihan Main Line' evangelist, but that's my thought on the issue.
@creativemindplay2 күн бұрын
Unnecessary use of the word wild! Ok!
@stickynorth3 күн бұрын
Automated mass transit really is the future to this day at least in most of America. Meanwhile Vancouver and Montreal now have YUGE driverless metro networks with Skytrain and REM respectively but sadly not Toronto which scrapped the TTC Line 3 for the Scarborough Subway Extension project which is a shame since it was the first to adopt the UTDC/Bombardier/Alstom driverless metro technology worldwide and still a viable and busy line, just in need of some upgrading. Now? Downgraded to a future busway, not even an LRT line like it was originally envisioned before Ontario's government at the time decided to hastily convert the line into the UTDC public introduction line which lasted until recently as you might know... And of course Riyadh just opened the largest network of driverless metro's in the world and that was with only HALF of its planned 6 lines... I guess it just needs better economies of scale something PRT will probably always struggle with given its small cabin size and track profile... Much like The Boring Company tunnel projects. Expensive for what usage you get out of it since cars will always end up causing a ribbon effect and traffic snarls unless fully automated and we all know that probably isn't likely anytime soon despite Robotaxi and Robovan pronouncements from upon high...
@stickynorth3 күн бұрын
Great video as always. Personally I think the solution is to contract The Boring Company to build tunnels but run conventional driverless metro trains in them. While it may seem like a loopy idea the 12' internal diameter is actually 4" larger than MOST of London's Deep Tube train network which runs in 11'8" tunnels. So in theory you wouldn't have to design new larger TBM's to get the job done if these things are actually revolutionary and faster than existing ones. Personally? I have my doubts for several reasons including the proof being in the pudding or not. Everywhere he proposes quick build tunnels? They seem to take much longer than traditional TBM's using existing off the shelf technology. Hell even in the seemingly ill-fated Valley Line project here in Edmonton? The TBM bored tunnel under the quicksand prone banks of the North Saskatchewan River was the least of the design and construction projects concerns. That was sitting empty and complete in like under 6 months. It was every other over-stressed section of pre-stressed concrete slab that was built to Tofu Dreg standards by mediocre contractors had the P3 project years behind schedule and over budget... BUT if TBC truly is real and effective it might just create a second renaissance is building affordable driverless train networks in cities for a fraction of the price of say SAS in NYC which is running at what $2B/mile? Even for NYC that isn't good value for $$...
@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis3 күн бұрын
This video was helpful when a friend and I decided to go see Canadian Pacific Railway 2816 at Franklin Park, as driving in would not have been very practical with the crowds. This station is also useful for avoiding an inconvenient walk with luggage from the C&NW terminal to Union Station for riding Amtrak long-distance trains.
@iwouldliketoorderanumber1b793 күн бұрын
We just need to go ahead and build more tunnels to many trains sharing the same lines.
@guillermo46873 күн бұрын
I think what we need is a O’Hare - Midway is more necessary. I read something on Reddit on “The silver line” and I believe that’s a more viable option. The Blue Line should build noise-dampening stations instead.
@KushPatel3 күн бұрын
Metra NCS being faster is half the story unfortunately. You still have to walk over the to the MMF to catch the airport tram system. When all things considered, Metra NCS and Blue line end being about the same time, yet with Metra you get a quieter more comfortable ride at the expense of an extra transfer
@LMV1233 күн бұрын
Flying cars will change that 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
@qolspony26893 күн бұрын
Another JFK failure!
@neilworms23 күн бұрын
I remember being so annoyed by the never ending proposals for the O'Hare express train, like most of them seemed like a waste of money for a nice to have service. The CTA still needs a lot of other things worked out before such a service would make sense IMO. I'm frustrated that the "superstation" removed a really nice 2nd transfer between the blue and red lines in the loop too for something that was just boneheaded. You are right about the musk tunnel being a dodged bullet too, I was overjoyed that both mayoral candidates then didn't want it. I did use airport expresses in both London and Tokyo, but those are cities that have way better transit networks than Chicago does, I feel like they've earned the rights to have it. The CTA should get better before it pursues these nice to have projects. Btw, I've argued for years that the NCS makes the most sense for an express train to O'Hare, I hope that's what it eventually gets used for, I'd love to see it fully electrified and have frequent service but that could be just a pipe dream...
@djpetesake3 күн бұрын
At least Metra is doing a better job serving the airport than Metrolink's Riverside Line in Ontario. Those ex-Surfliner F59's that were left in the original livery are never going to not look funny to me 😄
@stevencipriano39623 күн бұрын
Currently people from Huntley, Algonquin, Lake in the Hiils and surrounding areas use this station.....also this is the line that will be extended to Rockford with a few stops on the way including Huntley
@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis3 күн бұрын
Correct!
@UnReal313373 күн бұрын
The easiest solution is to upgrade the existing Metra line that drops you off at the rental garage and people mover. Increase the frequency and move the station closer to the terminals.
@neketo50603 күн бұрын
imagine how much worse this would have been than the skybridge every mff 😬
@history_leisure3 күн бұрын
If Blue could be quad tracked, then the Pink line would become the express to ORD, freeing up capacity in the loop
@UlisesShah3 күн бұрын
Also, a buisness focused express could be made by constructing a tunnel from O'hare to the Metra North-Central Service, where there would be a 20-minute service every 15 minutes between the airport and Union Station.
@DESUDESU243 күн бұрын
A tunnel would be way too expensive, but you're on the right track with Metra's North Central service (pun intended). If Metra can't turn up more service for that whole line, they could at the very least turn up more regular service just between O'Hare's station and Union like they temporarily did during the DNC. that could very much so serve as an express as there's already very little Metra stops between O'Hare and Union, and it would be a very cost-effective way to utilize existing services and infastructure.
@RudeMyDude3 күн бұрын
I had no idea this was a thing! Interesting
@UlisesShah3 күн бұрын
What Chicago should do is to get rid of the slow zones on the blue line, which will make the journey from State/Lake to O'hare 30 minutes.
@DESUDESU243 күн бұрын
That's a CTA funding issue, which I'm sure you're aware may or may not be a corruption issue. Also, the stigma of using public transit, The Rona, and the now prevalent work from home in the wake of The Rona has all caused low ridership and low profit from fares, even if the previously mentioned stigma is dissipating in the wake of ridiculously overpriced cars. CTA would die tomorrow if those tax subsidies disappeared.
@Kakurady3 күн бұрын
The Union Pearson Express costs 25 CAD for a return trip (currently ~18 USD), or 19 with a Presto card (~13 USD). When I visited Chicago for Midwest Furfest two weeks ago, I got a 7-day CTA pass for 20 USD (+ cost to purchase a Ventra card). It was super nice for sightseeing after the convention. Although it was definitely difficult to keep two large suitcases full of fursuits in place on the Red and Orange line (flew into MDW instead of ORD and took the train to Rosemont). (Meanwhile, Ottawa is building a 3-stop airport shuttle line that branches off from Line 2, which uses mainline tracks and does not directly pass through the CBD)
@MyFairRosaline3 күн бұрын
Master Planned Music!!! Incredible choice <3
@redlinedreamin3 күн бұрын
Such a fantastic video Stormy! Great production!
@YaboiOGOC3 күн бұрын
The challenge is the lack of available track. Metra and CN (who owns the track) have such a bad relationship that any permanent connection would go along with a realignment of the entire line and the blue line doesn’t have the room to expand on either its highway or elevated sections. Maybe something like a special blue line express train running outside of rush hours would work but I don’t know how that would affect the system when it just saves 10-15 minutes. I agree that the CTA should expand connections outside of the loop rather than mess with existing track
@sammymarrco23 күн бұрын
great visuals!
@galeschool3 күн бұрын
*The CTA did have a "limited stop" express service until some time in the 1990s -- known as the A/B skip stop service.* They should bring back that service on the O'hare branch of the Blue Line, i.e., between the airport and the UIC/Halsted station. Just past UIC, there's a third track which could be used by some trains to reverse and head back to O'hare. So between O'hare and UIC, "A" and "B" trains would run, stopping only at designated "A" or "B" stations (or "All Stop" stations). Eliminating roughly half the stops along this portion of the Blue Line would cut travel time between O'hare and the Loop by 10 to 15 minutes. At UIC, half of the trains (either all "A" trains or all "B" trains) would reverse direction and head back to O'hare. Of course, this would result in more frequent service on the O'hare portion of the Blue Line, but that's OK because the Forest Park portion has lower ridership and doesn't need such frequent service.
@mrAhollandjr3 күн бұрын
My idea would be cheaper, if not controversial The express tracks to O'Hare should be built on what is currently the reversible lanes on the Kennedy Expressway Then 1. Express trains can make local stops from Jefferson Park to O'Hare, stopping at HO, Harlem, Cumberland, and Rosemont. Other than connecting the Lake Street tunnel to the express lanes, that's the biggest cost and reduces travel time as the express trains would have their own right of way for half the distance of the route. 2. For more money, express tracks can be built to Rosemont with one additional outer track in each direction. In exchange this would make a true downtown to O'Hare express train Obviously the controversial topic is removing the reversible express lanes. For Midway express trains the only way to make this happen is to build a subway following the current Orange Line to west of Ashland where it would arise into the median of the Stevenson Expressway to west of Pulaski where it would elevate and turn south to parallel with the CN tracks until joining the Orange Line tracks just north of 55th heading into Midway Station.
@tarasaurus983 күн бұрын
Hell yeah, new Stormy video
@javirodriguez77593 күн бұрын
On the side of the highway there is space to build a sky train that could connect the O'Hare and Chicago stations.
@transitcaptain3 күн бұрын
I think the trains are awesome plan is still better than anything. The CTA tried to do. I just proposed that they make a spur off of the North Central service to go straight to the terminal
@Mr.E7233 күн бұрын
The Metra option makes by far the most sense. The freight companies allowed it for the DNC, I know it was temporary but that’s proof they’re willing to budge. So that just leaves the need for track and station upgrades, just do it, it’s clearly worth the investment, and if it was a freeway project trust me, they would have done it a long time ago.
@mrAhollandjr3 күн бұрын
The freight companies, specifically CN, are NOT willing to budge. CN is the reason why there are only six trains to O'Hare. CN is the reason why there's no weekend service on this lune. The only reason CN agreed to the temporary DNC service is that they didn't want to come under government scrutiny for not allowing expansion of commuter service, especially if they denied the access and the Democratic won the White House. CN is interested in moving freight, not people. CN is so bad that Amtrak has applied for grants so they can reroute their Chicago trains from St Louis OFF THE CN and onto Metra tracks to get downtown . CN will extort as much money out of Metra as possible but will give Metra as little leeway as possible.
@Mr.E7233 күн бұрын
@ that’s disappointing
@HeavyRayne3 күн бұрын
The dnc ncs service having relatively low ridership really shows how inconvenient taking Metra to O'Hare is. The station is just too far from the terminals and it being only 5 minutes faster than the blue line (walk and ats ride not included) is the nail in the coffin. I think an express would be great and should be easy to do well but ofc isn't a priority right now
@KyrilPG4 күн бұрын
The most important thing missing in Chicago's transit system is the ridership... Where are the passengers? There are tramway lines in Europe with the daily ridership of the entire L network. Sure, it's not as low as LA Metro, but still, it's abysmal ridership for such a system. If there's one pressing issue, it is to restore the system's ridership by making services that are practical and attractive for people to ride.
@PiplupJames4 күн бұрын
2:15 and yes that same Mills Corporation that built Gurnee Mills. The Mills really tried too much, too fast and got dissolved out by Simon Malls in 2007.
@TheMrDwillison4 күн бұрын
I'll say this, as someone who lives relatively close to the Blue line I appreciate its existence despite its flaws. From my door to O'hare is about 45 minutes total ride time. However, I HATE coming home from visiting my family across the country, and after a 4 hour flight having to immediately jump onto a train that's absolutely crawling for those first handful of stops. I realize that's a very first world problem, hell not even New York City has a subway line that runs directly to any of the airports, but I feel like the CTA overall is a 7/10 system that *could* be a 10/10 with just a bit of care, planning, and resources.
@laitentierdotcom3 күн бұрын
i used to operate on the blue line, and if you think the slow zones between ohare and logan square or wicker park are bad, the stretch from forest park all the way til IMD is basically 15 mph max. some spots pick up to 25 or 35 for a quarter mile or so, but mostly you’re stuck crawling by while cars speed past along the highway. what a slog!
@JackDaniels-tx4qx3 күн бұрын
NYC subway may not connect to any of the airports, but JFK and Newark Liberty still have trains that go to them. Both have AirTrain (AirTrain Newark is terminal to terminal, while JFK goes to Jamaica and the Rockaways, through which it connects to the subway and LIRR), and Newark Liberty has access to both NJT and Amtrak trains that head to Trenton and Philly going South and into Penn Station going North.
@AverytheCubanAmerican4 күн бұрын
NYC was close to having a good airport rail link similar to what was proposed in Chicago. Before they ended up with a peoplemover for the AirTrain JFK (which connects the JFK terminals with Howard Beach and Jamaica), when the MTA first proposed a direct rail link to JFK, they wanted it to serve both LGA and JFK. They wanted it to begin in Midtown, cross the East River into Queens via the Queensboro Bridge, travel to LaGuardia Airport, then make two additional stops at the former Shea Stadium and Jamaica before proceeding to JFK. This plan was cancelled in 1995 as it wasn't popular politically and involved increasing road tolls and PATH train fares to pay for the new link. The day the AirTrain opened in 2003, Senator Schumer and then Governor Pataki wanted to extend the AirTrain to Lower Manhattan using the LIRR Atlantic Branch and a new tunnel under the East River, and terminate at World Trade Center! This would've benefited not just those taking the AirTrain, but also LIRR riders as 100,000 LIRR riders were predicted to use it on an average weekday, and it would've reduced crowding on several subway lines However, it wasn't a top priority for the governors after Pataki, especially when compared to projects like the Second Ave Subway and East Side Access. The Bush administration approved 2 billion for the project in June 2004 as Pataki wanted to use unused federal funds aimed at rebuilding Lower Manhattan, but this approval was blocked by the Senate. And the projected total cost rose from $6 billion to between $8.6 and $9.9 billion.