dont go for it anymore since it got super nerfed from a tier 3 to a tier 4. it was the strongest survivability item for shield build and the whole build was put tgt with vielwalker in mind. it isnt bad on haze because back then no-one really got veilwalker for the invis, just the sheild regen. but since they buffed the invis on it and made it tier 4 the invis isnt useless anymore and haze shouldnt get it.
@milansvancara20 күн бұрын
Tesla fall off later because of attack speed stacking with any damage items much more :)
@NatansMe20 күн бұрын
Great video, another thing I've seen basically no one talk about yet are matching item buys with ability upgrades. For example: my Seven build has a massive spike at 8k souls exactly, which is when I get my T3 3 upgade, and finish my laning items + Slowing Hex, Tesla, Fleetfoot that creates a very strong powerspike all at once. But if I'd go for another 3k item instead of buying fleetfoot for 1250, I would be farming for another 1750 souls while I already have my T3 3 upgrade ready. I don't really play any other heroes but I'm sure you can do similar things on other heroes. Another example would be buying a combat barrier on haze right at 3k so you have a really strong all in as soon as you unlock your ult.
@deruitsu20 күн бұрын
@@NatansMe thats a really good point. i guess the clearest example is getting rapid recharge on infernus as soon as he hits max lvl on 2.
@RichardTheWizard21 күн бұрын
Good video! I’ve been grinding the game hard but the items can be super confusing. This helped as I did not really understand the differences between armor and shields.
@deruitsu21 күн бұрын
glad i could help
@thirstisr34l21 күн бұрын
Good video. Would like to see you with a pre-game or in game example
@deruitsu21 күн бұрын
mmm since this video is mainly about a concept of making builds its not really relevant to put in an in game example. but if you'd like an in game example for the haze build ill keep that in mind for next time.
@jangoergens21 күн бұрын
Hey, thanks for the video, I got some useful information out of it. Two things you should consider for your next videos: 1. Write out a script and mostly stick to it to avoid long pauses where you think about what to say next or how to explain your point. 2. Use a different mic / fix whatever is causing the static, its really uncomfortable to listen to.
@deruitsu21 күн бұрын
thanks a lot for the feedback. i wanted to try to avoid reading from a script because i dont think im very good at it but i think ill try to follow one for the next video. as for the static, i think its my ceiling fan haha ill just turn it off next time. thanks for the feedback again i appreciate it.
@Kr1stuXLT22 күн бұрын
Hey deruitsu! Do you have discord by any chance?
@deruitsu21 күн бұрын
mmm i have a really old one for when i used to stream back in the day. but its inactive right now. maybe in the future i will create a new one.
@Kr1stuXLT21 күн бұрын
@@deruitsu I meant personal one, not a server :D
@deruitsu21 күн бұрын
@Kr1stuXLT yea i do have one. i also go by deruitsu on discord
@RadarFinsR22 күн бұрын
I think a lot of people forget a lot about "opportunity cost" Your items don't just have to be good, to be the best build it has to be better than any other option that you could build.
@deruitsu22 күн бұрын
yea, its always good to compare based on the amout of souls you have
@eh661825 күн бұрын
w video, I was working on a build while you posted LMAO
@deruitsu25 күн бұрын
haha hope i helped
@naylisyazwina683626 күн бұрын
This is the only kind of yapper I want lol
@pandemonium2536Ай бұрын
I like seeing more numbers popping up, so it's good
@FairwellNoobАй бұрын
I think active reload is not bad on haze if you're planning to splitpush - because you don't need to waste your knife when you fall back and rather use it to escape with your cloak
@FairwellNoobАй бұрын
Active reload is funny on abrams
@deruitsuАй бұрын
@@FairwellNoob lmao solid idea
@mintcake6895Ай бұрын
great early game value
@kali4067Ай бұрын
I won't say all the tests you did are useless cause it actually gives a more accurate response to people hating on Tesla. Now what a lot of people miss to realize, Tesla also procs on spirit. The only way to allow it not to fall off as you say late game would be to build up spirit. Then again, there are far better items late game. Another thing is now with haze needing a bit more spirit for her ult, Tesla can stay in your slot for at least 30min maybe even until 45min into the game only because its still that good while building spirit items. In any case, Tesla will always be a rushed item for me in early game.
@OsightblinderOАй бұрын
One of the reasons people don’t choose Tesla is because if you’d rather have ricochet then you don’t want both.
@malte54Ай бұрын
But who buys ricochet after haze ult only hits 1 person? I mean, who uses haze ult anyway?
@efdeecueАй бұрын
This makes sense because tesla does flat damage. It's best early game and falls off unless you have spirit scaling.
@pistonzulecki2137Ай бұрын
Tesla = fun = good
@deruitsuАй бұрын
real
@SillyLittleDemonАй бұрын
I'm pretty sure it's just because people build it in a match, check the damage report, and see that it did 30 damage over the last minute. Maybe people ignore/don't care about the other stats it gives and just focus on the damage the lightning does
@hmmyes5536Ай бұрын
tesla does worse later on a gun stick haze build compared to burst cause firerate just means youre able to pump out more gun damage while tesla scales spirit so by mid/late the raw value of tesla doesnt catch up to the amount of weapon damage you have, spiritual overflow/general spirit items can make tesla do good damage much longer into the game
@TheGingerjames123Ай бұрын
I think its good but you have to commit and get improved cdr on ult or dagger and many would just prefer to go attk speed route
@deruitsuАй бұрын
i disagree, tesla still has so much value without commiting to cdr. not that cdr is bad, but theres really no need to commit to anything, you can still go lucky shot and other gun damage items
@IkretАй бұрын
wtf ppl are really saying its bad? it's pretty epic to get myth slow + bullet shredder. telsa is also pretty important getting early on for farming. huge damage boost especially for the likes of wraith
@deruitsuАй бұрын
yea the common consensus at high elo is that tesla is a bad
@bogolomaniaАй бұрын
Okay, let me try clearing this up so you don't have to do any more tests. I don't have exact numbers but estimates should be good enough. Tesla's lighting gives roughly 70 DPS at base for haze. Since she has the lowest base DPS in the roster the flat DPS from lightnings is more than any +weapon dmg modifiers, even glass cannon's base +70% gives 6 dmg per bullet, so did a quick test it barely outperforms tesla in the DPS by a small bit. Since fixation provides flat damage (at maxed level 7 per 20 stacks, 28 at max 80) it can only scale with lowering resistances, fire rate, or lucky shot multiplying it. When it's time to buy your 3k item, Burst fire and Tesla provide about the same DPS, Tesla from consistent damage and Burst fire from more fixation stacks procing. You get sliding, slow resistance, a bit of HP and extra move speed when active besides the damage. Tesla on the other hand let's you farm faster and deals chip damage to other enemies in fighting, secondary lightning deals more damage than to the secondary target, so it's good for ulting multiple people. But since Tesla is bound my the CD it gives mostly flat damage from lightning and scales worse as you get items to scale Fixation and you don't really build many items that scale your tesla naturally. So if you winning fights early Burst Fire will scale better, but Tesla gives you the back up option to farm faster. Also Tesla suffers less if enemy stacks bullet resist, but don't buy spirit resist. For DPS your 6k choices are between Spiritual Overflow and Lucky Shot. Spiritual Overflow scales Tesla a bit like 20-30%, while LS is much better with Burst Fire. Lastly there's the way this game calculates recoil and spread. For Haze if you go beyond like 100% rate of fire Haze gets spread on her weapon, which is pretty easy if you decided to go Spiritual Overflow and Burst fire. Overall it's hard to say which is better, depends on play style and which items synergize better with your playstyle, build and the what's needed in the particular game.
@deruitsuАй бұрын
ye
@aettz5143Ай бұрын
crippling hs also good
@tircek1233Ай бұрын
what if you buy both tesla and burst fire?
@deruitsuАй бұрын
@tircek1233 i have tested it in the spreadsheet. and in short its very good. the main reason i compared tesla to burst fire in the first place wasnt to convince you to buy tesla over burst fire. but to consider tesla in the first place since burst fire is commonly known as the highest dps 3k item on haze
@tircek1233Ай бұрын
@@deruitsu like if i have to choose one i would go with burst fire but i like to go both than spiritual and its preaty good
@TaigiryАй бұрын
Not another Tesla stock scam f- oh wait. This is actually interesting
@the_hiromanАй бұрын
Tesla + Ricochet + Toxic Bullets or Silencer goes BRRRRRR
@LaeyzАй бұрын
They called me a mad man, One day they will have to embrace tesla + mystic slow and I will be the one standing tall
@Erick-xi3ouАй бұрын
For me, the only bad thing is that TESLA makes me drop frames in team fights.
@deruitsuАй бұрын
got damn valve please fix
@ImperialGoldfish29 күн бұрын
Holy shit, that's why my fps is so much worse when I play wraith! I always run tesla bullets on her. That's actually a massive drawback to the item. I know it's an alpha, but I really wish they'd fix it.
@averysahara8852Ай бұрын
The real question is Tesla or Ricochet?
@deruitsuАй бұрын
i havent tested so take this with a grain of salt ricochet only gives 10% firerate and 18% weapon damage compared to the 14% firerate and 14% weapon damage and lightning damage procs on tesla. considering that haze doesnt benefit much from % weapon damage. the single target damage of tesla should be much much higher than ricochet. the real upside to ricochet is being able to hit 2 enemies at once and build fixation stacks on both which works really well with haze ult. with all that said ricochet is more than 2x the price of tesla so its hard to even consider it as a farming item in the first place
@waldezurbeАй бұрын
Bullet build: ricochet Spirit: tesla
@deruitsuАй бұрын
but tesla does more single target bullet damage than ricochet
@nordgard2738Ай бұрын
Love this vid.
@deruitsuАй бұрын
this video loves you too. glad you enjoyed it
@DeadlockSchoolАй бұрын
FYI you can measure distance over to the left side where the taxi cab and truck are. Starting at the line between the veil and the jump pad, you should see little number markers on the ground every 5 meters. From the veil to the NPC running back and forth is a little over 50 meters.
@deruitsuАй бұрын
damn i had no idea, thanks
@DrMrMLGАй бұрын
@@deruitsu hold ALT to see 5/10/15 distance
@BarelySociableАй бұрын
Did this factor in the level associated with souls, because your characters gets weapon damage per boon, and this value scales the base damage. Base damage + tier percentage + stats * fire rate - resist. If it did not factor this in I’d image tesla does more damage but it’s hard to calculate this in my head
@deruitsuАй бұрын
oh yea thats true, i didnt consider that. maybe i will run more tests
@deruitsuАй бұрын
so i did some tests and you were right, in the very late game with two 6k items and max boons burst fire outperforms tesla by about 100 dps. however in the midgame test (before 6k items) burst fire only had 30 dps over tesla and considering you wont be max lvl either at that stage of the game tesla still has about equal damage to burst fire.
@firion666Ай бұрын
Barely Sociable plays my favourite game? The more the merrier!
@BarelySociableАй бұрын
@@deruitsu interesting! Makes sense Hahah thanks for testing that, I like tesla as a fun weapon with improved clear for farming. There’s so much to factor in with this stuff situationally.
@duskdeadman4333Ай бұрын
Video so good I Tesla Bulleted all over the enemy team
@deruitsuАй бұрын
heres the spreadsheet link if anyone is curious: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wzgHtqGtWj8w5YZ7gnGVZlsfSd6QrLgZA8waDlTbnVo/edit?usp=sharing
@Tempelge1stАй бұрын
I did some testing too after watching your video and noticed that ult dps is a lot lower (almost 20%). Imo tesla isnt that bad for Haze as a single item but the transition from cheap items to 6k items is the most contested in terms of slots & tempo during games. If the game is going super well you have slots but also can go into expensive & situational items early, if the sart is bad orange slots are often very limited. I also think that with the Zerggyyy build you have enough farming speed from the 2x reload items and dont need tesla that badly. This said, you still convinced me to try tesla out a bit more in the future :)
@deruitsuАй бұрын
oo thanks for the test, i didnt even think to test ult but yea that makes sense considering the raw firerate would benefit a lot from the extra spirit damage per shot
@CreeperoshaАй бұрын
@@deruitsu i guess lucky shot also works now in ult. they changed it. it didnt before
@phonthedonАй бұрын
Personally, rushing Tesla early is stronger while you still have t1 items, this is a no brainer. The thing is, you rushing Tesla early isn’t the problem, Tesla falls off hard to mid to late game really fast compared to every other T3 item in the game on haze, that’s why we rush burst fire and the other item because mid to late game you can end up constantly snowballing other then snowballing early then just falling off. That’s my opinion tho
@deruitsuАй бұрын
i tested very lategame items (two 6k items) with burstfire [780 DPS] vs tesla [750 DPS] and bustfire only has better dps by around 30. also its a lot easier to snowball if you have tesla over burst fire in my opinion because you can clear waves faster and steal enemy jungle very quickly with tesla while pressuring (normally while your team is winning, this is why in the video i mention that tesla feels worse when losing). going to the jungle with burst fire feels really bad because the 30% fire rate passive doesnt activate.
@NotJvooАй бұрын
It’s not that it’s bad it’s just that Burstfire imo is the better 3k buy, and I’d rather go from burstfire to lucky or overflow instead of then going for Tesla, that’s just my philosophy at least. Sometimes after I buy my first 6k I’ll then go back and get Tesla.
@deruitsuАй бұрын
i see, what exactly makes you feel that burstfire is the better 3k buy over tesla after seeing that the dps is around the same. i personally wouldnt recommend buying tesla after your first 6k item as tesla is a farm accelerating item and has more value in the early to midgame than the lategame. if you like tesla and burstfire theres no reason not to get both before your first 6k item other than if you want to rush it for a powerspike.
@CreeperoshaАй бұрын
burst fire catcher cause of hero LVL up that gives weapon dmg the point of burst fire is to slide, slide gives not only ammo but also mobility like bunny hopping. The point of swift striker is the cost, u can get HUGE DPS boost buying swift + hollow poin + combat barier for cheap Ive been playing haze for more than 6 month and ive literally tried everything
@deruitsuАй бұрын
yea the movement part of burst fire is really nice to have, i guess it just depends on whether u prefer to have the slide advantage or the waveclear that tesla provides. i just tested (the 5 starting items i chose + swift + hollow point+ combat barrier [255 DPS]) vs (the 5 items + tesla [249-260 DPS) with 1 lvl in fixation so it seems the damage is about the same for the same price. but tesla requires you to save up while the latter doesnt. still i dont see a reason to not go both swift + hollow + combat barrier and tesla
@MENACEEEEEАй бұрын
@Creeperosha drop your fav build
@CreeperoshaАй бұрын
@@MENACEEEEE my build is haze 300+ games r$ch b$itch There is also an old one - haze 300 games+ build 22.11 patchw I don't really annotate things there because they are more for me to buy fast what I need but I'll do some annotations soon I'm phantom 6 by the way but I play like 2 games a day so I don't really climb.
@CreeperoshaАй бұрын
@@deruitsu well ure right, u can get all of this things buuuut kin dash is VVEERY good this patch, so when i buy it there is slot shortage so i usually go burst + switft + dash. Buuuut some games are different and you neeed to read enemy playstyle so sometimes (maybe more that just sometimes) fleatfoot is goat especially with burst fire u can check my build too i wrote it in respond to other comment. But i dont say ure not right. ur video is very good. good anal. (analytics)
@deruitsuАй бұрын
@@Creeperosha haha yea, i dont say your not right either. its just a matter of what you prioritize in the game
@DriftaholiCАй бұрын
If you can work some CDR in tesla gets even better.
@deruitsuАй бұрын
@@DriftaholiC yep i usually go tesla into cdr on wraith but since haze's abilities dont benefit too much from cdr i dont usually go for it just for tesla
@arthurpereira-lh7umАй бұрын
I agree with you, I had the same thoughts and you confirm it for me. Thanks
@deruitsuАй бұрын
happy i could help
@melleehhxyzАй бұрын
You are not utilizing Burst Fire if you are static. The idea with the current meta Haze is to be a really fast assasin and punnish people out of position. You need to dash and slide so you can kill people before you have to reload :p
@deruitsuАй бұрын
thats a pretty good argument for burst fire over tesla, but i personally feel that the normal slide is good enough on haze cause she gets ammo capacity easily, and with quicksilver reload she can easily have around 150 bullets to use before reloading. but i do agree that sliding is strong and if you go fleetfood burst fire, you could silde a lot easier and more often
@mosesslaiАй бұрын
yeah the movement potential from burst fire may not be the objective best but damn does it feel nice
@dankomancerАй бұрын
I do this with infernus haha. Extra stam + burst fire you can slide the hell around and in and out of places. Longer slide distance is a must for the infinite ammo, too and having a smaller hitbox as you are basically prone to the ground it's hard for people to hit you as you curve around them n stuff
@ryanlim3603Ай бұрын
for the algorithm
@deruitsuАй бұрын
@@ryanlim3603 :O
@redmil3773Ай бұрын
it's all over my screen
@deruitsuАй бұрын
huh...
@DoduszkaaАй бұрын
Please never comment again
@ryanlim3603Ай бұрын
song name king
@deruitsuАй бұрын
its Floaroma Town (Day) from pokemon diamond
@jasonchai3428Ай бұрын
get off it bro pls
@deruitsuАй бұрын
@@jasonchai3428?
@ryanlim36032 ай бұрын
w video
@deruitsu2 ай бұрын
thank you goat
@jasonchai34282 ай бұрын
please stop posting
@deruitsu2 ай бұрын
@ryanlim36032 ай бұрын
algorithm
@jasonchai34282 ай бұрын
loser
@deruitsu2 ай бұрын
@@ryanlim3603 algorithm
@Raisuru2 ай бұрын
Active Reload can be popped right before Haze ult to nuke enemies for extra 20% dmg in teamfights, just tap left click once and go into stealth and hover near team, once the fight breaks out press R for Active Reload into Unstoppable + ult
@deruitsu2 ай бұрын
its actually +20% firerate that scales additively from base firerate so its not really 20% damage increase, swift striker gives +22% firerate and your prolly going bullet ls on haze because she needs it so the active reload ls isnt doing too much. QSR is an instant reload and gives 15% firerate instead of the 20% from active reload but scales way better into the lategame as active reload doesnt really instantly reload but cuts the reload time in half. also weapon items are extrealy contested on haze making it even harder to justify getting active reload.
@Raisuru2 ай бұрын
@deruitsu oh yeah right when I tested it in sandbox I only did it with one item forgot about diminishing returns Basically I think QSR is staple on Haze it's just the matter of whether to take both or just QSR
@deruitsu2 ай бұрын
@@Raisuru yea i agree, but personally i feel that active reload becomes redundant when u get qsr as you end up just reloading with qsr all the time unless you are activating it intentionally just for the buff and not the reload reduction in which i feel like an item such as kinetic dash might be better.
@kevin84992 ай бұрын
What would you recommend for infernus? Considering he likes to have a lot more spirit lategame than scaling his bullet damage, I think pretty much everyone agrees that it should be put on catalyst to you can mag dump twice and get the damage amp on the afterburn there after
@deruitsu2 ай бұрын
yea i think qsr on his 1 would be the best for infernus.
@randomname23662 ай бұрын
QSR is better on Haze. Orange slot is needed for other items. Also QSR buff lasts for the whole mag but AR is just for a few seconds. Out of fights always reload with QSR dagger and you can have the buff basically always.
@deruitsu2 ай бұрын
nice, i wasnt even awake of the duration while making this video but yea you always want qsr on haze.