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@pavelimani
@pavelimani Ай бұрын
So funny 😂
@helenakalina7796
@helenakalina7796 2 ай бұрын
😂❤
@aanunkitch2426
@aanunkitch2426 2 ай бұрын
The pilot was absolutely correct in his manner and FAA rules. JFK ATC are playing it hardball
@toxicbullets10
@toxicbullets10 8 ай бұрын
women amiright
@panchovilla1770
@panchovilla1770 8 ай бұрын
Emotional messed up Women!!
@wiredforstereo
@wiredforstereo 8 ай бұрын
What? The pilot is 100% in the wrong.
@panchovilla1770
@panchovilla1770 8 ай бұрын
@@wiredforstereo 👈😂Betaaa 😭😭
@jesseesparza4974
@jesseesparza4974 8 ай бұрын
Thats new york for ya
@jackoliver7506
@jackoliver7506 8 ай бұрын
Whats the backstory, anyone know
@amydalton107
@amydalton107 8 ай бұрын
Omg
@brian402
@brian402 Жыл бұрын
✈️Virgin Australia?
@fatburga
@fatburga 2 жыл бұрын
Looks flat
@mavityzz
@mavityzz 2 жыл бұрын
Which flight was this?
@worldaviationnetwork
@worldaviationnetwork 2 жыл бұрын
It was QF7329 from Perth, WA, Australia.
@jonaskessler326
@jonaskessler326 2 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is, he still never got his question answered, he just assumed he was cleared to go and told him to taxi to the ramp 😂🤣
@ngensyutwanzing2738
@ngensyutwanzing2738 2 жыл бұрын
Literally me Talking with a native speaker
@lmartinez3633
@lmartinez3633 2 жыл бұрын
That happens in Delta’s backyard, jejejeje
@trollking202
@trollking202 2 жыл бұрын
ATL ATC have a track record for killing pilots
@OBENSquad_21
@OBENSquad_21 2 жыл бұрын
The sassy attitude 😂
@mikespencer237
@mikespencer237 2 жыл бұрын
The problem is American 2601 didn't ask for 5 wind checks on final, rookies! LOL!
@newoldvideos989
@newoldvideos989 2 жыл бұрын
OMG !
@kachaikc1
@kachaikc1 2 жыл бұрын
At the end Kenny Ground just gave up and sent him to the ramp
@allen2879
@allen2879 2 жыл бұрын
The ATC is no good
@andy4b767
@andy4b767 2 жыл бұрын
The Etihad pilot was so offended
@mikedee8876
@mikedee8876 2 жыл бұрын
welcome to HY
@edsmale
@edsmale 2 жыл бұрын
The controller was a dick. The flight was landing just prior to a hurricane arriving, in driving rain and boarder line wind shear. The gate would have been a right turn off to clear, but they had every light turned up to full bright on a left turn off, which the pilot flying naturally took, being a pitch black night with every light in the known universe turned up bright on an incorrect turn off. So at this time, the controller decided to have a hissy fit of why the left turn was made (not on this audio) and then need American at every single solitary call instead of an abbreviated call sign after using a full call sign. Being that they were on an unfamiliar side of the airport, trying to find taxiways in a near hurricane, the only plane on the airport moving, and NOW this controller decides to be verbatim precise? You know, sometimes you have to understand the conditions going on and be just a tiny bit flexible.
@timl4257
@timl4257 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair the controller wasn't being that clear with the instructions. You can't "umm" and "err" when dealing with aircraft movements.
@Bob-Fields
@Bob-Fields 2 жыл бұрын
Even the commenters here have a poor grasp of English.
@timengineman2nd714
@timengineman2nd714 2 жыл бұрын
They need all International Pilots to pass a certain level of English Speaking and Understanding! (English is the Default Language for Aircraft around the world, so unless you're just flying within your country, a pilot MUST Understand English!). At worst have a translator up in the cockpit.....
@JSmith777
@JSmith777 2 жыл бұрын
the pilot does have poor english.. but the ATC isn't the best neither.. he used a lot of non-standard english which causes more confusions..
@lirending1
@lirending1 2 жыл бұрын
The ICAO has standards set for operational English levels. The pilot selection process in China has just not been empathizing with their English. All Asian pilots in Hongkong, Taiwan or Japan generally speak much better English.
@vst9266
@vst9266 2 жыл бұрын
Conclusion:you dont need to speak english to be a pilot.🤣🤣 If you know to say "errr" you can apply.
@jasonthomas9364
@jasonthomas9364 2 жыл бұрын
So American doesn’t know how to say there own callsign? Unreal
@murraystewartj
@murraystewartj 2 жыл бұрын
Where's Kennedy Steve when you need him?
@s2v8377
@s2v8377 2 жыл бұрын
This ATC was nasty and rude. ATL seems to have a bad culture in their ATC facilities as this is not the first time I've heard something like this from Atlanta Tower.
@UnbeatenPath1
@UnbeatenPath1 2 жыл бұрын
Wrong. ATL procedures are to use full callsigns on any runway hold short or crossing clearances. The controller is only following policy. It's on the ATIS and in the company material on the airport that you review during the approach brief. It's because of many similar callsigns at the busiest airport in the world. Pilot was 100% in the wrong.
@jasonthomas9364
@jasonthomas9364 2 жыл бұрын
The controller was totally in the right, it’s American that was the amateur there
@ssbohio
@ssbohio 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, but that doesn't mean that the controller handled at the best way.
@RaysDad
@RaysDad 2 жыл бұрын
They resent GA traffic.
@philnaegely
@philnaegely 2 жыл бұрын
@@ssbohio no need for the champ comment though, thats not in the book.
@Nilguiri
@Nilguiri 2 жыл бұрын
Is that music really necessary?
@urbanman1516
@urbanman1516 2 жыл бұрын
Unnecessary aggression from controller.
@sjaviation
@sjaviation 2 жыл бұрын
Dude needs a heaping helping of humble pie
@-Wreckanize-
@-Wreckanize- 2 жыл бұрын
Should have responded Alpha Mike Echo Romeo India Charlie Alpha November 2601
@jasonthomas9364
@jasonthomas9364 2 жыл бұрын
American was already showing his lack as a professional pilot he didn’t need to go any further
@johnpatrick1588
@johnpatrick1588 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, more controller - pilot tit for tat wasting radio time.
@cherifbar
@cherifbar 2 жыл бұрын
over forty plus years i have had to deal with some rude, condensing and downright nasty controllers. funny thing is when i call them on the landline to discuss their conduct, they usually do not care to speak to me without an audience. the bust way to deal with such people is by filing a formal complaint with the FAA.
@wintersplash2256
@wintersplash2256 2 жыл бұрын
40+ years, damn...
@V1Speed360
@V1Speed360 2 жыл бұрын
people make fun but these dudes are in a foreign country having to speak a language that is not their natural language. They are in an airport that is congested and busy and im sure the task saturation is big but these guys are professional pilots and with that said these assholes need to take an english lesson before flying into that airspace again.
@graemecox6502
@graemecox6502 2 жыл бұрын
They are not level 5 proficient. They cheat on the English proficiency test. Go ahead and file a report
@davidcass4958
@davidcass4958 2 жыл бұрын
I just retired from American as a pilot for 35 years, I can say in general, pilots are one of the most arrogant group of people, more so than doctors, even I was embarrassed many times being around them! The call sign wasn’t American Airlines 2601, it was American 2601. You don’t add words to your call sign. The arrogance!!!!
@jamescollier3
@jamescollier3 2 жыл бұрын
Haha. One side of the political divide is the most arrogant group. They are so correct [arrogant] , they just cancel you and call you racist.
@sweetmyth2537
@sweetmyth2537 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamescollier3 what?
@philnaegely
@philnaegely 2 жыл бұрын
but the person asked him to use full which is stupid when there's not another 2601
@frankgrimesification
@frankgrimesification 2 жыл бұрын
@@philnaegely Doesn't matter. Correct procedure is to use the full call sign regardless of there's another flight with your number on the frequency at the time.
@bessarion1771
@bessarion1771 2 жыл бұрын
OK, for people below who are obviously ignorant in terms of aviation - ENGLISH is an official language of commercial aviation. EVERY pilot on international routes is REQUIRED to have a working command of ENGLISH language. If such pilot cannot converse in ENGLISH they are not qualified to fly international routes. ATC had an ABSOLUTE right to be pissed off at the pilots who could not understand the simplest of commands. It's the pilots who were completely unprofessional, not the ATC. End of story.
@williamfrank7565
@williamfrank7565 2 жыл бұрын
communications is more than language.....the best thing about no longer living near New York City is the civility.....rare are people with patience in NYC....NY rude is a language unto itself....the controller was condescending and curt...try a little kindness....Peace and Out
@bessarion1771
@bessarion1771 2 жыл бұрын
@@williamfrank7565 I am NOT disputing anything you just said and agree with most of it, but, frankly, I would lose patience with pilots who are REQUIRED to speak English and don't.
@liamp1994
@liamp1994 2 жыл бұрын
Nooooo angry and rude behaviour causes emotional response. It will literally make any well trained person behave poorly. This ATC person is just obnoxious. Only happens in NYC, busy doesnt mean you need to act like you dont have time for people.
@liamp1994
@liamp1994 2 жыл бұрын
Also, NYC controllers designed their systems such that they have a Ramp and a Ground controller but they are not co-working or collaborating and requiring pilots to change freq during taxi which is clearly just a poor design, more handoff more confusion, more traffic jams when it goes wrong. Rude new york ATC aren't better than a non native English speaker simply because they are loud and rude.
@bessarion1771
@bessarion1771 2 жыл бұрын
@@liamp1994 You are missing the point. Pilots who cannot communicate in English, like this one clearly could not, should not be allowed to fly international routes. They endanger themselves and thousands of people, and it doesn't matter if traffic controllers in arguably one of the busiest airports in the World are polite or not. Yes, ATC should have some measure of professional courtesy, but you cannot fault them for being exasperated by international pilots who do not speak English.
@bessarion1771
@bessarion1771 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes - old recording of Kennedy Steve. LOL.
@worldaviationnetwork
@worldaviationnetwork 2 жыл бұрын
He's definitely a celebrity of the ATC world.
@Cissy2cute
@Cissy2cute 2 жыл бұрын
@@worldaviationnetwork Not Kennedy Steve. It's "Mr. Grouch". You don't want to mess with him. He is extremely competent but far from a funny guy.
@gasaholic47
@gasaholic47 2 жыл бұрын
That is NOT Kennedy Steve.
@ej2758
@ej2758 2 жыл бұрын
Not Kennedy Steve.
@bessarion1771
@bessarion1771 2 жыл бұрын
OOPS - y'all are right - it's the Grouch, not Kennedy Steve.
@2011blueman
@2011blueman 2 жыл бұрын
Recycling old recordings of Kennedy Steve from other youtube accounts and posting as your own.
@Cissy2cute
@Cissy2cute 2 жыл бұрын
That was not Kennedy Steve. I listen a lot to Live ATC. It's a controller at JFK I call "Mr. Grouch". He's not bad but I've never heard anything like humor from him. However, in this case I would think anyone would get frustrated. We need Google Translate.
@jesse00pno
@jesse00pno 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly my thoughts. I subbed until I listened, then unsubbed when I realized that’s what they did.
@fa3556
@fa3556 2 жыл бұрын
It's not Kennedy Steve. Impossible to confuse him with any other controllers.
@michaelmartin8036
@michaelmartin8036 2 жыл бұрын
I would have asked ATL for the full ground frequency, not just .9!
@sjaviation
@sjaviation 2 жыл бұрын
Ground is assumed to be 121.x so saying .9 makes sense.
@jasonthomas9364
@jasonthomas9364 2 жыл бұрын
That's written in the book that way so ground was correct
@edsmale
@edsmale 2 жыл бұрын
@@sjaviation it’s not 121 in several places. Go check out KSNA for example. There are others. Expecting a full call sign on one end and abbreviations on the other is a bit douchie
@sjaviation
@sjaviation 2 жыл бұрын
@@edsmale yeah, not everywhere... But in most places. That's why you assume 121 if they just say .9 or .7
@edsmale
@edsmale 2 жыл бұрын
@@sjaviation and in most places after saying American 2601 2x you would understand who 2601 is in a high work load environment. But to expect verbatim by the book on one end and shortcuts on the other is BS
@JSmith777
@JSmith777 2 жыл бұрын
Agree that the Chinese pilot needs to improve his English. BUT...the atc needs also realize that he is talking to someone whose mother tongue isn't English.. so all the non-standard aviation language should be avoided as much as possible. turn right here at Juliet, then join alpha, hold short of mike alpha.... why not just say.. "Right turn Juliet, Right(not sure what join means.. non-standard) turn Alpha, Hold Short mike alpha"
@E787Z
@E787Z 2 жыл бұрын
The controller is using the official language and terminology of aviation. He doesn’t need to lower his standards.
@JSmith777
@JSmith777 2 жыл бұрын
@@E787Z i am like 70% agree with you. He is definitely not using the 100% correct aviation language. He needs to "up" his standards.
@E787Z
@E787Z 2 жыл бұрын
@@JSmith777 Sorry, I disagree. I’m a pilot and I say that the controller did his job as he supposed to.
@JSmith777
@JSmith777 2 жыл бұрын
@@E787Z cool man. I respect your comment. Not sure if you fly internationally often. If you fly to Japan, Korea, Taiwan, etc... those ATC know they suck at English, so they always use the standard aviation language. just like my example. "Left Alpha, Right Charlie" is correct and super easy to understand by any pilot.... not "let's make a left on alpha then join charlie with a right turn blah blah"... also a pilot ;)
@blythkd9017
@blythkd9017 2 жыл бұрын
His statements and questions seemed plenty legit to me. No slang or anything. What more was he to do when the pilot on the other end clearly just doesn't understand plain english? It wasn't that he doesn't know the words, he just didn't know the syntax and how to tell a question from a statement. Holy shit, I would have been losing my mind worse than Kennedy Steve was.
@TheBeagle58
@TheBeagle58 2 жыл бұрын
LOL!!!
@austintx_planespotter8561
@austintx_planespotter8561 2 жыл бұрын
Okay I’m not the only one but at 0:28 to me he almost said ho shi*
@amc3
@amc3 2 жыл бұрын
Some of these American controllers need re-training, they dont speak clearly and when they do open their mouth, its way to fast with a rude arrogant aggressive attitide. While English is the international language of aviation, they dont speak it, they use some kind of other lazy Americanism English, its unprofessional and dangerous. The Air China pilot most probably speaks 4 or 5 languages, this controller cant even speak English properly.
@blythkd9017
@blythkd9017 2 жыл бұрын
Sounded pretty clear to me.
@amc3
@amc3 2 жыл бұрын
@@blythkd9017 You seem to be in the minority.
@blythkd9017
@blythkd9017 2 жыл бұрын
@@amc3 That's ok, I'm used to it.
@preethamnmurthy593
@preethamnmurthy593 2 жыл бұрын
I’d disagree, as an Indian who speaks about 6 different languages myself I understand the emotions of the ATC. Kennedy is a very very fast paced airport with so many airplanes round the clock. And to them, time equals money. Delays cost the airport tens of thousands of dollars. He asked a normal question in a slow manner, sure his voice sounded loud and irritated but he did break the question down. China needs to up the standards of English for it’s pilots (at least those flying internationally) because otherwise, it could lead to serious problems or even disasters.
@fa3556
@fa3556 2 жыл бұрын
We're all going to be speaking chinese soon if the US government doesnt get their shit together.
@airesjone7721
@airesjone7721 2 жыл бұрын
Wtf 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@gtmgupta42
@gtmgupta42 2 жыл бұрын
Ego
@scubasteve7303
@scubasteve7303 2 жыл бұрын
Two things I’ll never do: fly on an Asian airline and ride on an Asian ferry