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Alina Chan is a whistleblower. A very competent scientist ... nevertheless a personality with conspiratorial leanings.

Great debate! Thank you, subscribed! I'm on the con side but probability(AI existential impact on humanity)< prob(meteorite) seems low. I'd guesstimate more like the risk of getting into a car crash (I/we can also influence it by driving safer). I won't stop driving because of the risk of an accident though it's substantial. And really I may not have a choice because driving solves many of my other problems. Actually more worried about the carbon footprint than the accident risk. As I am for AI.

It's energy reduction that matters first, refrigeration biggest one by far 3900 twh of electricity. Airjoule is the solution to reducing cooling energy loads by 75% and can eliminate refrigerants while making fresh water. These units are in production, company just went public, big boys like ge bought in heavy, they're running with the biggest players in the game catl, Bosch, and carrier paid huge to be first to manufacture using their tech. This isn't hype, it's going to be everywhere within the decade because if you can make an AC unit, fridge, heat pump etc, be 75% more efficient than everyone else and make clean water... Btw translate the savings airjoule would do to our energy grid and that equates to a reductio of over 1 billion tonnes of carbon. Hoping like-minded people find this and like me want to invest in these companies not just for profit but for humanities success. AIRJ / AIRJW for those interested

Tegmark gets a chance for questions of the opposition and asks like 59 of them.

You need to make a much more cogent argument as to from where and why a self-preservation goal will enter the AGI equation. This is the THE pivotal risk factor.

Reasoning a bit off. Subservience is not an emotion and doesn’t require emotions. It’s a behavioral pattern which simply requires following all instructions.

Here’s my summary: while the lab leak hypothesis is entirely possible it’s not likely, and that based on the evidence we have now, the zoonotic origin hypothesis is stronger and more likely. While this could change with new evidence, so far it has not. This is the most reasonable, nonpartisan summation anyone can make after listening to these brilliant researchers.

Wow , is it a coincidence that the same percentage of voters who believe that the KKK was just misunderstood, that the earth is flat and that smoking tobacco does not cause cancer is around 37%? I think not!

I love Munk debates and was really excited about this one but... the arguments are - pardon me - lacking of substance and somewhat lazily construed. Disappointed 😞 I think Jerry Seinfeld made a clearer statement against AI in his commencement speech

On October 14, 2016 I attended a lecture by Vaclav Smil in Vancouver BC. Professor Smil does not live on a faculty salary, I believe he derives a substantial proportion of his income from his publication royalties and thus relies heavily on frequent public appearances to promote his book sales. I was amazed at how bad his English was - for a man who fled Czechoslovakia in 1967 and had ostensibly been living almost 50 years in North America. I was disappointed by his failure to grasp the fundamentals of good public speaking to a general audience: 1. he spoke much too rapidly, 2. whenever he presented a slide he continued to yammer instead of pausing for a few moments of silence to allow our collective visual-cortices to "digest" the contents of the slide, 3. he failed to anticipate and deliver rebuttals to theories that ran contrary to his own. The crux of Smil's thesis, presented that evening, seemed to be that virtually all of modern scientific discovery occurred during just two generations (between 1880 and 1914) and the so-called "progress" during the past 100 years has been merely innovative refinement of those fundamental discoveries. In other words, the discoveries of transistors, radar, television, electron microscopes, superconductivity, atomic fission and fusion, the structure of DNA, the blue l.e.d., etc. are of such minor importance as to be scarcely worth mentioning. After the presentation - during his departure from the hall - I listened to Smil field a few questions from members of the audience; I found his arrogance stifling and the insulting way he dismissed some of the questions to be somewhat distressing.

Yeah, I'm gonna trust a govt fund baby (9 govt grants) who produces poor studies for Global Think Tanks whose purpose is to bypass the will of the people through technocratic authoritarianism (epidemiological models aren't factual - they're statistics [there are lies, damned lies and statistics] and never prove causation, they find signals that require hypothesis and clinical testing.) I've studied epidemiology, from its origins with John Snow to the most famous epidemiologists like Bradford Hill and understand that the manner with which epidemiology is deployed is fraudulent. It can never prove or disprove causation. BTW, there's no such thing as a one size fits all drug that can be universally given to an entire population - a portion will always be maimed or killed due to the genetic diversity of people. As every drug has a NNT and NNH, these Injectable drugs are no different, they have a NNV: the number of people needed to be injected before one person benefits. Pfizer is 142 and Moderna 88, which means the vast majority people will receive no benefit from these drugs. I'm always shocked how propagandized the average "academic" is and how little they understand about immunology, infection and biology. A freakin economist who builds models based on numerous fallacies and false assumptions is hysterical. I've studied infectious disease for over 10 years and can absolutely say that studies like this are garbage. Tuberculosis has a higher death rate than c19 and the vast majority of people are naturally immune to TB. Only 5-10% of susceptible people have a life long possibility of developing TB. Every infection works this way without exception. Majority are immune and only subsets of groups carry a risk of infection and an even smaller group, risk of death. The host pathogen paradigm elucidates the true nature of infection and real risks associated with it, placing the host, not the pathogen, at the center of the equation and the determiner of the outcome.

Sorry, it seems the arguments from Yan and Melanie was completely emotional and ridiculous (especially Melanie arguments were disaster, it seems she did not even get the idea of from where the power of neural networks is coming)

Yan LeCun is clearly a brilliant mind. I have no idea how he keeps up with let alone is at the leading edge of AI research and development. I can barely keep up in my own humdrum job and profession which is why it is all more frightening that the best argument he can come up with is “if it wasn’t safe we wouldn’t build it”. God help us all.

Why is there no mention of nuclear?

right

BENEVOLENT AI is mandatory, imho

Trump poses an existential threat to our democracy, Putin poses an existential threat to mankind, Musk is trying to climb into top three and maybe there.

March 2024. This is just the tip of the AI iceberg. Wikimedia gone feral. Putting AI in charge of anything, or to accept its advice is bizarre - THAT is the problem. I was interested to be better informed, and I still am - but I am now biased against the use of AI. It is essentially PROGRAMMED by HUMANS and recently in 2024 these particular humans programmed an AI system called GERONIMO, to remove white people from the internet world. AI was used to remove pictures of white people and changed the requests of people who wanted real information. Censoring by sleight of hand is extremely dangerous. This was a deliberate attempt at the worst form of racism. This borders on a genocidal wish. Is this anti-white attack by Geronimo, acceptable? The programmers were so incompetent, thankfully they revealed what they were attempting to do and let the cat out of the bag. He assures us that AI will be subservient - why aren't we teaching history? Just last century we have seen well documented records, films, and books about genocidal maniacs with their SUBSERVIENT minions trying to eliminate ALL Jewish people, and others, as a rule of law, and sadly we see certain Arabs STILL attempting this as they did with Hitler in the 1940s, yet this real history is being denied and revised. Who is going to feed our history to the AI? Is this what we want? Regards.

Yann LeCun might be the dumbest smart person I've ever seen

I’m amazed that Yoshua Benggio is supposed to be an AI expert, but he doesn’t seem to understand that all AI systems, no matter how advanced they are, at their core they are nothing more than a bunch of mathematical formulas and equations, that enable computers to execute tasks. Since the field of AI was founded in 1956, that’s how it worked. You “plug” digital data into these equations, and you get an output. This is one such equation: W:= W-a θJ/θW. Which means that Yoshua Benggio believes that this equation, and equations like this, will become sentient and wipe out humanity. This is barking mad

Too bad sam harris wasnt in this debate.

Sounded like melanie was complaining and griping.😂

Why are all of these guys foreigners

AI is going to decide what is information and what is misinformation. Great. That makes me feel so much better.

Mostly side with the pro case, but Bengio was so annoying how many times he kept interjecting, he never let anyone finish. It's clear there was a log of pent up frustration on both sides. Not much understanding gained or progress made, just a lot of venting.

It's pretty cool to see high-profile technical professionals debate each other; this is also why I'm looking forward to seeing LazAI soon, as they are ready to take the next step in the field of AI matching with decentralization, and they're also one of the participants in the AI battle that will be held at Ethereum Denver, hosted by MetisFest.

we should teach the debators the A B C of how to use slides and deliver speeches! I would expect people at this level either place on photo on the screen or not at all. If anyone working for me present this way, I'll send them to take a communications class.

Who invited Karen?

After listening to these people... I am totally worried

And they didn't note that these systems are trained on Human information amd knowledge and these A.Is can just amplify our biases or imperfection

When LeCunn says "the good guys will just have better AI than the bad guys" I can't help but think about why he is assuming the world thinks of Meta and OpenAI and Google as the good guy :| I'm much more worried about mega corps ruining the world with AI than about terrorists honestly.

The debate is just to divide. Why are we pretending virologists can’t tell the difference between a natural virus and a modified virus under a Microscope. could you imagine if they lead plastic surgeons in the world pretended like they couldn’t tell the difference of someone had plastic surgery or not.

Only ignorant individuals whose knowledge of science is next to nothing keep spreading their misconception about AI and nonsensical behaviour of anti-technology development

It's funny. This was 6 months ago, and he's like, we're still very far away from human level ai. Lol. Just goes to show you, how fast it's moving, they can't even predict at all anymore.

Thank you Sir! This is so straight forward and accessible! Bravo, Jacopo Buongiorno!

Because cats and dogs can talk. Jeez. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

I keep asking myself if this LeCun guy has EVER met an actual human being. Maybe he's been blessed by having only encountered the absolutely pure of spirit throughout his life, but I would doubt it considering he works for META, for Pete's sake! The guy drips with inauthenticity.

AI is in Gaza Extrapolate that!

Next time a scientist calls me Uman I'm going to call him a Cientist and the ie will sound like a 'u'! That'll confuse AGI Peace monkeys

A few weeks ago in a diatribe outling the criminality and war criminality of the last half dozen Republican presidents I thought it fair to bring up Obama's ' drinking the poisonous' water trick played on a suffering town's fear of their water table being poisoned by connected development. About a week later when scanning KZbin 'shorts' I saw a clip of Obama.... pretending to drink a glass of water Coincidence?

Well, in my 300k-population-town in Siberia smells like quite a lot of people transitioned from burning wood twice a day to burning resin and plastic (downgrading and making contributions, I suppose) due to laws banning cutting wood.

Ehhhh… this was a fairly piss-poor debate. Smart speakers to be sure, but their arguments were embarrassingly weak, unaligned with the resolution, and lacked meaningful engagement with the other sides. Melanie came close out of all of them, but even then missed the mark by simply dismissing the resolution rather than addressing the resolution (which itself so broadly worded an eight-grader could have driven a truck through it).

Melanie Mitchell is unbearable

Professor LeCun nailed it 👌 ❤

I don't believe ai is a threat. What is a threat is the wrong people who would like to use it for military purposes.

"The assimilation of AI with nuclear weapons is a complete fallacy. Nuclear weapons are designed to kill people and destroy entire cities. AI is designed to basically amplify human intelligence. I mean this is intrinsically good, right?" But human intelligence gave us the nuclear weapons, right?

Melanie was the only one with well structured arguments, others didn’t follow

Would have really liked to see the live votes. Felt like the platform had 'slight' bias towards the For side 😉

Aaahhh. 'Rogue AI sound like James Bond movie so it can't be'. Really?!!?