Nice video I watch Steve Smith and Todd from Styx they are amazing players. That grip your using is very helpful.

excellent

I NOTICED that your pad is very quite, I do to know if the quite is because the mic is far away from the pad or not, but I am looking for a pad that is very quite as my little house is in the middle of similar house on both sides and the walls are thin, so I cannot practice on the pad I bought ...is too loud, but can you recommend your pad if it is indeed quite in its own right ,or another . used to be a drummer, rock, but I stopped because I traveled to many countries ,for years long ,so I never played again ....which while the travel was the dream , never playing again was not ! However I would like to at least practice ,while I am not traveling anymore , I did that dream for years , now I am quite happy to not travel anymore ,accept for the odd Holliday .I am retired as well ,and looking for things to occupy my time. thank u Stephen

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I've recently started playing traditional grip (about a year ago) I've started using my thumb as the main fulcrum and found that my third finger does get in the way , I really am at a early stage of the grip and being comfortable with it I am taking all the correct pointers and seeing some really, really good analysis videos on the traditional grip, yours is right up there I've got to say, thank you for taking the time to video your experience and I think your technique is a very good example of how-to, I'll keep on keeping on, thanks again, from the UK, oh and subbed!! 🙏

Keep in mind also the throne buddy used was 28 inches.. too high for almost anyone especially buddy who is about 5/8.. so you're going to end up slouching... And after 40 years you're bound to have some back problems

I loved the video... thanks

Awesome tip. Truly amazing. I am eternally grateful to you, sir.

I like your explanation and break down of the traditional grip, which I find hard to do. Thank you very much.

Great stuff! Very helpful

Great tip. Thanks for posting.

Learned that grip in 1967. Don't even need the index and middle finger to get great speed.

Very helpful video. Presented in an easy to follow demonstration.

Excellent demo on the Greatest ever!

The buddy rich technique is more than what is shown....I known....I study with his friend Charlie from LoRose music shop at Edison NJ.....😊

That was great. Thank you!

Thanks for posting this important and informed video. I must say, you must have had a very lazy teacher coming up, or you weren't paying very close attention. But I really don't see how that's possible. Because, in 1964, at 14, my 1st (& most important) teacher was the great Jack Burger. Jack was a regular sub for Shelley Mann in Hollywood in those days who would drive around the streets of Hollywood with his drums in the trunk waiting for a call for a recording session which he'd do 3 or 4 times a week. In between he'd pick up drum students. I was one of the lucky ones. But in those days, the matched grip wasn't yet a "thing." It was only used by "lazy" drummers who didn't have the patience or discipline to learn the "right" way (😂). And Jack wouldn't even take on a student who used the matched grip. As a teacher he prohibited it. So, you may have missed a couple of key points, which I drill into all my students. 1st the balance. You got it right from Buddy as you point out in your video. By holding the stick higher up towards the butt you make the stick top heavy towards the tip & lose the balance critical for speed, accuracy & endurance. 2nd, your 1st finger is a counter weight that rests on the stick to maximize the bounce. By adding the 2nd finger, too much weight is added inhibiting the bounce. Finally, fingers 3 & 4 are placed under the stick straight, not bent, against the palm. Think of it as a table upon which the stick rests in the center behind the digit. By bending the top digit the stick slides off the table and you lose a significant amount of stick control. These are 3 of the 4 main principles of using the Trad. Grip (the 1st being the grip itself between the thumb & 1st finger) Jack drilled into me so I could never forget. All of these principles are clearly demonstrated by Buddy, Louie Bellson, Joe Morello, Jim Chapin, all of whom were friends (& some rivals) with Buddy and all gleaned alot of technique, as you referred to the motion of your hand, from Sandy Moeller, whom I recommend you look up if you're not already familiar with him & want to learn more. Happy trails & keep posting those great videos.

Thanks for the insight, I never even thought if something so subtle and now that you mention it I too held it at the end of the finger!! I’m gonna try this technique and see what happens!! Thanks!!

I see the can of Dioxin, so looks like you audiophile too...thanks

Exactly how I was taught in 1969 and still use today

Great video about Buddy Rich. Another coupla things about Buddy's left hand- 1. The height and angle of the snare is set very high and angled downward so that the left hand is lower and closer to the head and rim. This places the stick low, level and even to the head of the drum. As you mentioned as to Buddy gripping the stick towards the middle, from this position, it places the stick bead in the center of the drum. 2. Buddy's posture favored the speed and freedom of his left hand. Buddy sat with his stool kinda high. He dropped his right shoulder in a heavy slouch, releasing tension in his shoulders and dropping his elbows lower with his hands higher. This slouching posture, which is the complete opposite of what i was taught, caused Buddy to look to his left almost constantly. This posture also causes the left arm and grip to loosen up, freeing it's movement, speed and control. try it, it works. 3. Buddy used 2 styles of traditional grip. The first is just what you showed in the video. The other traditional grip he used was turning the left hand over so that the thumb and fingers are more on top of the stick. This transfers the power of the stick from the arm and wrist to the fulcrum and fingers only. This is another reason buddy would rest the stick on his middle knuckle rather than the end knuckle. When you see him do the so called one handed roll, he would often use this grip to push with the fulcrum and pull with the top finger.

thankx john,,you can never learn enough about the details ,thats paying attention,

John, Thank you for this! Very in detail explanation. I will try this. 😊🥢🥁

I admire most your modest and humble approach to explaining the topic. You seem like you would be a good teacher, not like so many of the shouty, know-it-alls on KZbin and the internet generally. 👍 That was interesting.

Nice observation! I wish more teachers would point this out! Ring finger position has always been the main difference between traditional drumcorps players and many of the great drumset players. I noticed this with guys like Virgil Donati when I saw him play live. When the stick sits farther down in between your fingers, it really helps with moving around the kit. You can whip your arm to the left and your ring finger keeps the stick in position. More accuracy, more control.

Wow….um…well I’m still learning basics but…that’s interesting, I foresee me trying traditional more with my band. 🤔☝️

Nice giving it a try

Thanks! Nice presentation. 🥁

Great video! *Very* helpful!!

Это сколько надо иметь свободного времени что бы этим заниматься . А работать кто будет . Дороги строит кто . Коров доит кто Дома возводит кто .???? Барабанщики 😂😂😂😂 Всем барабанщикам по лому и на рудники

素晴らしい、ありがとう！！

If you want to study someone very interesting look up EL Esipario Siberiano. The guys talent is insane. And check out some of the grips and techniques that he uses. Buddy amazing too. Although I learned with the unmatched traditional grip, I later switched. Way playing Timpani in an orchestra and ended up preferring the matched grip. I am not playing on heavily tilted drums as in marching. Why play unmatched? It’s just a style that was not always “traditional”

John, I don't have formal training on drums but I can play 😢 and have a gig at church every Sunday. Major problem though..I don't know when to stop. Do You have a way to tell when the song will end I play by 👂?

I'll try

Very nice… totally makes sense.. I’m trying this out.

If there ever was a “The Man” on jazz drums, it’s Buddy Rich! I only got to see him live one time, but it was great!!

Bro think he is walter white

Nicely said. I noticed how Buddy holds the stick at the center. Compare to the also great Keith Carlock, who holds his left hand a the very back of the stick. I prefer what you're talking about. Thank you!

An what does all this mean on a drum set?

I have always wondered if Buddy ever really practiced the grip or was he just naturally gifted

Your no buddy rich. Your pretty good. But, there will never be another buddy rich. NEVER! And he only had a single kick base! And still perfectly fluid. What I would give to see him today with today's technology. But, hey man very good video. I never noticed using the two fingers like you demonstrated. Thanks for the info!

Thats the way I been taught just like buddy rich holding the stick lefthand, better control

Thank you so much for illustrating this so well,💯👏👏👏👏👏

Thank you.

Years ago I was a hot drummer. No more, as I went back to the piano and now I've gotten old. But, I once had a great drum teacher who taught me a few finger and wrist exercises that helped me achieve a decent, never great, left-handed buzz roll. You are on your way, so let me share these two ideas that who knows, may help. First, the grip between thumb and first finger is important. I exercised bouncing the left stick on the pad without the use of fingers. This exercise insists that you snap the wrist at a right angle to the pad, a skill that you've discovered on your own. The proper angle of the downward stoke is a key to getting a consistent bounce. The movement of your thumb, from its base toward the first or forefinger is called adduction. The fat, fleshy area of the hand between the thumb and first finger is the location of the muscles that control adduction. You can feel this group of muscles contract if you hold this area of your left hand, with your right thumb and forefinger, an then open and close the left thumb like you're gripping a drumstick. The idea of the no-finger bounce is to strengthen these muscles. Use a heavy stick, like a 5b parade stick. Grip it tightly between thumb and forefinger, and snap the wrist downward at a right angle to the pad, relaxing the wrist a little to allow the stick bounce. Repeat. If you snap the wrist too hard, the stick will get away from you, so start slowly and without using too much wrist power at first. As your thumb adduction strength develops, you can use more force, but always keep the stick under control between thumb and forefinger. The exercise works the muscles involved in thumb adduction, and the wrist snap-twitch motion. Have you ever watched an Olympic sprinter practice starts. This develops what the sports medicine guys call the "fast twitch" reflex. Drummers with blazing speed and finely developed stick control also need to work their fast twitch reflexes. Ok, the next exercise is also a fundamental hand builder. This time you, you can use both hands in the standard grip, with all the fingers. Again, start slowly. The idea here is to do a slow alternating 8th note roll. One-and two-and, etc. Use a light downward stroke and snap the wrist upward, quickly but in a controlled manner. Don't let the stick bounce. Down, then snap up approximately 45° of stick movement. It is OK to grip the stick a little tighter at first, eventually you want to work on a relaxed manner of playing, developing only the upward wrist snap, and add speed slowly, but always under control. This exercise builds the upward wrist strength and twitch reflex. That's it. Try them for no more than ten minutes a day. These exercises build strength and control over time. You will not notice any great changes in your playing during the first few weeks. But give them a chance to work their magic over a year, and you'll notice many changes in stamina, control, and precision in your playing. Best wishes and thank you.

Hi John, I to have been a Buddy Rich fan since I was in my teens. I thought I would share some other video's showing other technique's that I have seen buddy use. Here are the links. kzbin.info/www/bejne/paSnZpKoft97b5Y Here is the open/close technique that he also used. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZSZY36DprZ6n9E Here is Buddy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5bXap19mcSrgcU Dick Cully: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIeTe6KcebGVa5I

Thank you for sharing! Happy Drumming!!!

I agree ! ..I was not that comfortable with stoke to close to ring finger ..and found playing closer to middle of stick better for me ! …I’m also fairly new at traditional grip ..I really like how it feels

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Lucky for me that's how I hold the stick. However I have always been unsure of the better playing grip spot along the stick. Ive been closer to the end. I think I'll take your advice and head towards the middle more. I'm 60 y/o BTW Thanks, great vid.