In these stories, I would assume it means he got a sample when he had Peter unconscious at the start of this one. He had Peter knocked out in a lab, perfect opportunity. You know, it would work fantastic as a misdirect to keep Peter off the scent, to have put this on him and this comically silly "lead me to Spider-Man" scheme... but Gerry Conway has said all of this was on the fly. He knew who Jackal was going to be but anything involving the clones or Gwen were never planned. The Gwen clone only came into existence because Marvel were still getting bags of letters demanding Gwen's return so Stan told Gerry to just bring her back somehow and so we got a clone (which he later gleefully retcons away a decade later, and then retconned Carrion and kept retconning all the clones away as being actors). Later, in the 90s, we learn Miles Warren had made at least one Peter Parker clone by this point, so he supposedly had a sample already.

It's not fair on anyone if you bring Grizzly into the equation.

Super Chief is more than just a Black Bison rip-off!

Michael Bair. I wish he had drawn this one or another readable one instead.

There's a reason I always do Marvel, sometimes DC and then don't review any of the TMNT comics I have.

Damn, he'd have been great on Blue Devil. Don't think he did, it was Paris Cullins and Alan Kupperberg as the regulars and then the fill-in artists were Keith Giffen, Gil Kane, Ernie Colon, Tod Smith and in the final issue Dan Jurgens.

But unlike Michael Golden on a deadline, Pat Broderick will actually finish his art on time.

I already don't remember any of it beyond the cover.

Marvel Fanfare?

No, actually. Quite slow, having to try and decipher the action during the chasing slowed it down a lot.

I sincerely believe every story in this series was titled "No Escape".

Hold on, wouldn't the horns he grows overlap with some of his eyes...

they are certainly creepy

I remember the cover for the reprint of that issue (Original Ghost Rider issue whatever) had his head in the middle of the roulette.

I've no idea what I mentioned in the vidya but based on "sex in Leeds" alone I know exactly what and which woman-with-a-Wikipedia-article I had sex in Leeds with and neither of us came. Just watched it, I was not on the money about the trains.

Moondragon has been with girls in the years since, Llyra's not out of the question...

I don't know. It was always visually popping but I don't really feel it had that much character or even story beyond letting Kirby draw whatever he wanted. I mainly remember the last issue which was by Jim Starlin and it was the one where they linked it to OMAC's future.

Threesome?

@@SonofNimrodIdiot Sure if I was buff enough to not get smashed by them..

Maybe doing it enough times will be what gets you ripped.

What if you were to rank them in order of glove content?

He could've done with some gloves.

This might as well be a challenge playlist - I think it is incredibly hard to deduce which Claremont comics I will tear up vs which I will let live: kzbin.info/aero/PLpPigwa37AQvNwsbbxt71QHzNlY9QUvbs&si=f7n7qRsYLFEPV_Tp

By this point, it's not a mask. It'd be funny if it was.

More like Doctor Dud, amirite, I'll explain that one later by the door.

You'll have been kicking yourself when you later discovered you were 3 issues too late for Doctor Druid's attempt at teaming up with Spider-Man.

@@SonofNimrodIdiot is that the same issue where Aunt May sees MJ naked

I like Howell. Was his Hawkman stuff ever collected?

Actually, it might be the same issue. That Hawkman's never been collected. It's DC. It's not by Geoff Johns so it's not been reprinted. Really like the one cover of Hawkgirl I showed in this one (have had it waiting on the wings for a covers video since forever but first I need to do Kamandi covers...).

@@SonofNimrodIdiot Kamandi had some great covers

Rom would've shut Nekra down in record time.

There's that tearful moment in MTIO #69 where Future Vance unmasks to his dad from the past and I can't read it without wondering "Would you do this if you knew he was going to hit your younger self?"

Eelar Musk, he bought Twitter and wants people to think he's cool.

I think the reason for the suit alternated a bit early on. Gerber was definitely going with that environmental idea (I mainly remember him going on quite a screed about aerosol sprays as if they alone are the cause of everything wrong with the year 3001).

@@SonofNimrodIdiot There's a part where Vance tells his younger self about the future (while pretending to be from another planet), and claims that aerosol will cause the ozone layer to disappear permanently by the 1980s!😅

Wasted all the time warning Vance about the danger of the ozone layer and didn't feel it pertinent to mention his dad's fists.

Bet you didn't know Son of Nimrod is actually quite the singing sensation!

Was on Eurovision.

Well, Vance has the weird added novelty that there's two versions of him and at any time one of those two versions is in play (and some times both are). The main reality version of Vance didn't even really become a proper character until this run, before he had only appeared in conjunction with his "future self". And after this series wrapped, he didn't make any appearances until New Warriors. And by this point, the Guardians were dormant too. Both New Warriors and Valentino's Guardians launched at the same time (I remember the John Byrne Marvel Age cover with Spidey and Namor and Ghost Rider and Robocop). In truth, I would've said they gave up on either version of Vance before New Warriors brought him back. Quasar was a bit of a ripple, introduced at the tail-end of 1977 most his appearances are within the space of a few years - the key ones being Gruenwald/Macchio Marvel Two-in-One - but he was then mostly absent for the bulk of the 80s. Gruenwald was trying to get a solo series off the ground but Quasar's only appearance following Marvel Team-Up Annual #5 (1981) is in an issue of Hulk that Gruenwald pencilled. Wasn't until Avengers #302 that Quasar resurfaced and Quasar #2 explains his absence as being when he was off in-space searching for the origin of his Quantum Bands.

And then he leaves WCA because he transformed into a monster in the last issue and we never see what he transformed into ever.

Carlin's only major credits without Gruenwald anywhere near are some issues of Dazzler, one of which I've read and reviewed and it was quite honestly appalling, and some fill-in issues earlier in this series when Thing was on Battleworld which I've not read and only found out while editing this. He also wrote that one Marvel Team-Up issue where Aunt May becomes Galactus' Herald called the Golden Oldie. He co-wrote some of Ka-Zar (the 80s series) with Bruce Jones. I think those are his only full stories without Gruenwald listed anywhere in the credits. Otherwise there's those 5 issues of Cap he wrote but those are even more clearly Gruenwald than these issues of Thing are. They swapped titles on the book because after 5 issues they decided that was more accurate to what has happening (Mark says so in a Mark's Remarks from 1992 I think it was, when he was celebrating his 100th issue as writer). On the other hand, Carlin's time editing Superman is enough of an accomplishment that who cares if his actual writing is a mix of disaster and flaccid. Everything from Byrne to Superman Blue came from his desk. Triangles didn't last long after his departure.

And then he mutated (which is hinted at in a scene of this issue) and he left because he became a monster - we never got to see what he transformed into.

And then they'd just stand next to the story and not fight it.

Torgo featured in one of the Hostess adverts they ran. Torgo discovered that Hostess Fruit Pies are better than fighting and so he and Ben Grimm became friends and appreciated the consumer product.

I must be missing something, because the only "Torgo" I'm aware of is from that terrible 'Manos' the Hands of Fate, and the subsequent MST3K character based on him.

@@atomicninjaduck9200 In a 60s FF story, Skrulls kidnap Thing and take him to another planet where he fights for their entertainment. Torgo was a sentient mechanoid from a race of intelligent robots he met there. The character returned in FF 173 and 174.

​@@atomicninjaduck9200 Fantastic Four #92, I believe it was (probably off by one). Lee/Kirby. The cover to it is actually what is being parodied or homaged on the cover to Thing #28 that I showed in this vidya. In fact, the whole wrestling thing is kind of an expansion on that one issue (which has been riffed on about a dozen times elsewhere - Giant-Size Super-Stars #1, Marvel Two-in-One Annual #8).

Were I to give you any advice, it would be to not re-read it and rather re-read something good instead. Though, the ending of Druid is pretty funny with Hellstrom literally pissing on his corpse. Actually, I take that back, the existence of that Druid series is funny overall. The idea that Hellstorm was cancelled and Marvel thought "well, let's replace it with a new ongoing title in the same style but with a character even less appealing than Daimon Hellstrom". Famously, Druid was historical as the first Marvel comic that was already cancelled before it hit the stands. Many would follow suit in the years that have followed.

I really do want to re-visit that Nekra/Mandrill/Black Specter story, I read it long before I really know Steve Gerber and breezed through it as "one of those Daredevil stories where stuff is finally happening and someone has ideas". I don't own it, I'll try and find those issues - it might take ages to or it might take weeks - I do want to see it again. Saripha never appeared again after the first issue of this series when Daimon killed the demon she had married. She left slapping him in the face and call him a heartless dick. She was still not coloured correctly and now her name was even misspelt in the issue. Her being a Wiccan - which is a pretty interesting character trait - was never even mentioned. She showed up in #1, for the same reason as the demon from Defenders #118 or Gabriel the Devil-Hunter - because the person who came up with the plot (Kurt Busiek) wanted to show-off how much of a "fanboy" he supposedly is because he can remember all these things from comics that we forgot about and then he tears that sort of stuff down to make himself look better.

From everything I've heard about him, he definitely is capable of walking.

Look forward then to more of that with #7 and the next short-term writer for the series.

You're starting to sound like you think I'm making all these comics myself in my bedroom. I don't know why they redesigned her other than modern artists are always redesigning characters because they want to make an impact on a character and they never do because the next one just redesigns again.

@@SonofNimrodIdiot Rhetorical questions shouted into the void.

Hi, Mark and Frank, I won't call you Hank or Quaid.

Surprised I missed that. No, she hadn't worn that since. She had short pink spiky punk hair and smoked cigarettes at the time.

Yeah, looks nowt like her. Deodato was drawing a totally different character.

Most of them were written by Dan Slott. Can't separate the art from the artist (or the art from the writer in that case). Only writing job he could complete on time. The one that required 2 sentences per page.

I have a feeling I'd hate it and all my favourites won't be on it.

@@SonofNimrodIdiot Most likely. I think the style is from those online card games like Marvel Clash and Hearthstone. Or Capcom's newer character design style. Took me a little while to place it since those aren't my normal hobby. I think many younger Marvel readers first encounter the characters in some mobile phone game.

@@apilgrim8715 That would likely be design work by Scott Johnston... he is meant to be Marvel's "art director" but now it just entails corporate design work. Mobile games, merchandising and absolutely nothing close to the actual comics. He seems unfulfilled so he'll decide to insert random new design elements into a character's model on what is official merchandise so you end up with a bunch of action figures or games with character designs that have embellishments that aren't even something they've worn in comics (and then a few years later, they make it into comics because all the merchandising have Wonder Man with red bands around his biceps or Black Knight with a loin cloth).