The WTD had custom rear springs. Me and my buddy have rear lift blocks both extended he has a Action Van Ultimate and I have a WTD. We will get our vans on a fork lift so it's a 100% apples to apples test.

285 75 16. Just short of 33s. Its a E350 V10. The 4x4 has 35s. We're about to have a meet in November. 4x4 vans 2wd lifted and stock. Lifted Van Meet desert camp. You are free to join us even if you don't have a van.

Can't wait to see it in Action off roading!

I'm rooting for you to get one! I hope you check out the content of the meet I'm about to have. You are welcome to join us. Everyone is invited.

Come to the meet bro!

That's why you and tour girl always have beach posts!

@@sebastianslife91 I’ll be there !

Needs ladder 🪜 🎉

The meet is going to be a Overland lifted van show!

You need to do more videos man when you look for Big Foot!

Hope to see you at the van meet

It can go 80 but it's at 4500 RPM at that speed lol. Weak motor but sounds great!

Nice vanlifing

@@josephd27 Extra Van lifting!

That intro was made in 2020 when everything was locked down. It's in a industrial area in San Diego.

I appreciate the support. November 1,2 and 3 Lifted Van meet. There might be up to 40 of this style van showing up. If you are into camping everyone is invited you don't need a Van to join us.

I'm not allowed to make comparison videos? I noticed Weldtec fans like to say Weldtec is the best without any data. They just take WTDs word for it. I'm doing my best to give people actual facts. I made friends with both WTDs and AVs. Someone said hey I'll get my AV on a fork lift for you so you can expand on this topic. So I showed both WTD and AV flexing and I'm letting people know if you want a lift and cant Afford WTDs $7000 install price AV is $3500 and flexes as much What's the problem? Looking at the comments it looks like people appreciate the data because they want to spend their money wisely. Did you miss the part where I say if you are a Weldtec fan and you appreciate their content spending the extra money on their lift is a great way to say thank you to them.

Yes sir. I said it straight up on another video. A Action Van Lift kit or Weldtec lift kit is the equivalent on a Rough Country basic lift kit. It's nothing high end. Weldtec Advertises their stuff like you are getting a Trophy Truck. This isn't long Travel. If you look up a Rough Country Ford Ranger lift it's $1000. A long Travel Ranger lift is $8000. That's why I always recommended Action Van to anyone just wanting a lift and more ground clearance. Even at $3500 installed that's a lot of money. Weldtec at $7000 + installed now is ridiculous for what you are actually getting. When I got mine in 2021 it was 4400 and Action Van was 2900 installed and even at 4400 I felt like it was over hyped. Weldtec is all marketing all hype and hats off to them for getting away with $7000 installs for a basic non long travel lift kit. I hope people see your comment and really do their research. If you look at the comment section I already got a Weldtec fanboy mad at me for this video.

@@JohnDrivesAnything I'm on your side, I'm not a fan of weldtech ! I don't have any experience with Action van so I don't even have an opinion about them.

@@tr-lj2vx I'm just trying to steer people in the right direction. Your comment is spot on and I hope people see it. When you review things honestly you will always upset fans. So when more people their analysis in the comment section people doing research will get more feed back. Most of my friends have AV or WTD and my friends no I'm just trying to help people spend their money wisely. I'm mindful of peoples feelings and In all honesty I think AV is better then Weldtec because it retains the sway bar and doesn't suck in the front with 2 inches like Weldtecs lift does so it's a better street driven lift kit. If you want to flex as much as a Weldtec take the sway bar off. I'm not even getting into potential insurance liabilities. Weldtec bends I-Beams, Ibeams have DO NOT BEND stamped on them. Get into an accident and a good lawyer can blame bent I-Beams or lack of sway bar for your accident. This video was made because I have friends who can afford a $3500 install and not a $7000 install. They want an AV but don't want to feel like they got the inferior lift. I'm putting the data out there that AV flexes as much and in this case more then the Weldtec. I just want to see my buddies with cool lifted vans. Like you said man custom off road shop can build something way better then these 2 off the shelf kits. A real Trophy truck had Custom I-Beams. Bending beams and slapping on Fox 2.0 shocks doesn't create a trophy truck.

He crammed 35s in his. Weldtec is suppose to accept 35s I believe you have to notch the I-beams and do a little trimming. Biggest tires I seen on a AV no cutting is 285-75-17 that's a 34. That's the tire size I will go with eventually. I'm at a 4:10 gear and with a 4:10 and 33s I'm at a 3:82 gear. So 34s I'll be at the stock 3:73. Av and WTD had allowed people to have the cool 4x4 look for the fraction of the price. Most of my friends are running AV or WTD and everyone I know loves their vans that's why we do meets. We're fanatics lol

I have the WTD 6 on 35’s and had to do a little trimming to keep from rubbing up front . Even with 2 inch wheel spacers. Running 4:56 gears. Perfect combo Love my van 🙌

@@thomasbrun8695 Were you just going for more low end power that's why you went 4:56? I wanted to keep decent fuel economy thats why I didn't go 35s and 4:30 or 4:56 gears. I still get 16 MPG on road trips Grandma driving with the V10 engine. I still tow my Tracker like it's not there.

I'll look them up.

The big camping trip is less then 3 weeks away!

@@JohnDrivesAnything Yeah!

Appreciate the support. Here's my last Tracker video and I will have an update of it soon. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpW3Y5xjeJyagKssi=mSIOvjJZj555Nzj0

Appreciate the kind words. Looking forward to the meet and seeing everyone's ideas.

Here's more of it. Love driving this thing especially off road. So good even stock. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpW3Y5xjeJyagKssi=mSIOvjJZj555Nzj0

It's going to be YUGE

No regrets at all. Since I have had both lift kits I can give my honest unbiased recommendation to people wanting a lifted van. The $2000 price gap install vs install is up to $3000 now. A lot of my friends could not budget a Weldtec lift and went with Action Van and are really impressed. Made lots of friends making lifted van content and reviews and it was cool of Jake to send me a Action Van Flex video to show that Weldtec is a lot of marketing hype and people on the fence might make the jump to AV now because now they know Weldtec doesn't blow AV away. I said it before and I'll say it again I have never tried to talk anyone out of buying a Weldtec. Most of my friends have AV or WTD. I just want to see my friends happy and enjoying this as much as I do. I hope you are too. God Bless you.

Every ones vision is cool to me buddy.

Hope you stick around. My goal is to be the best most informative lifted van channel on youtube.

If I win I got you man! If I ever hit 100,000 subscribers I'm getting that Thor Majestic 19G with a U-Joint I hope they show up to show us their 2wd lift. We are all van fans in this crew.

Yup! I'm getting one on my new van! The 8in one one 40s. Trying to find a van v10!! Shorty is so hard!!

@@sebastianslife91 Shorty V10 is the perfect off road combo! I need to go to AV and get the back lifted about 2 inches and get their not Sky Jacker lift coils. I think if I was a little higher that obstacle in Anza woudn't of got me.

I'll send you a message on IG right now. I hope they make it out. This is going to be an Epic meet!

Ujoint will be pre 4x4 set-up much more that Action Van. Probably 4x the price

@@sebastianslife91 Eyeing it I say its going to be $10K-15K I'm just a van fan so I just wnat to see all the lifted vans out there! I have a buddy with a Camburg whos coming down, I have a Ford Parts One friend and 10 of us are going to be AV or WTD. I hope U-Joint comes out to just demo their stuff. They might get some new customers and the KZbin revenue from the content they make will pay for the gas.

LOL 2 4x4 Chevrolets are showing up. Everyone is welcome. My Brother in Laws brother is showing up in a Nissan Frontier. I hope you show up too buddy.

All are welcome, even paramedics😅

@@sebastianslife91 I even adopted a Jeep Wrangler driver to be part of our crew

That Majestic for sale had a U-Joint 4x4 Conversion. Their kits are $30 Grand installed. That thing was a great deal. Originally it was 65,000 and dropped to 55 then sold. I looked at it every day until it sold lol. Sometimes I want an RV then I remember they are 10,000 pounds and over. My van is pretty light just under 7000 pounds.

@@JohnDrivesAnything small box vans are an option . Most are aluminum frame/fiberglass to keep them light for maximum load capacity .

Dude he'll yeah. Love to see the nv set up!

@@JohnDrivesAnything there’s an old east coast company does a 4x conversion for about $18k for my van . Lift is extra I think.

@@carefreehighway I heard ambulances are the toughest. They are made to flip over and not crumple. They creep me out though cause someone might of died in it lol. I dont want to be haunted in my sleep!

I hope U-Joint makes it out. The content they can make will pay or the gas money and they will meet cool people who loves vans and maybe someone at the meet will be sold on what they have and get a 4x4 conversion.

Yup

I don't think there has ever been a lifted/4x4 Van meet this big ever. This is the lifted van crowd that is as passionate as Tacoma and Jeep drivers. There's going to be some awesome builds out here.

Really enjoy the content. I just bought an 06 E350 chateau I'm in the process of converting the interior. Ive been pricing out lift kits and am really unsure of which to go with. Maybe U-Joint might be the way to go. If it gives the option to got 4x4 withojt having to start over itd be worth it. Would love to meet up if you're ever in the Fresno Area.

Keep me updated on your build. Looking at the U-Joint lift it looks like it's ready to be converted to 4wd. I think it's going to be 10-15k and another 10-15k you can go 4wd. Great option if that's the goal to eventually go 4wd. I will do another Gorman Hungry Valley meet. My GF is in Fresno and Gorman/Hungry Valley is our halfway meet up spot so we have done van meets there.

@JohnDrivesAnything will do! Thanks! The van will be taking its maiden voyage this weekend to the coast. To try it out totally stoked. I have the RTZ leveling kit, which i haven't installed yet. But I already know I need more lift. I just need the bank account to catch up. 😆 😂

@@smokesetting If the plan is 4x4 eventually the U-Joint is the way to go. RTZ will be a good tide you over lift. If you are happy with 2wd lifted I recommend Action Van Suspension. $2089 for their base kit if you go to them for the Install $3500.

@JohnDrivesAnything I know both kits are solid. My big concern is how the action van will perform through Baja. I go twice a year and the roads down toward Loreto get pretty rough. My concern is the brackets just add potential points of failure rather then the weld tech which has less bolts overall. Eventually I'd like to get a Field Van dana 60 4x4 conversion done but that's some serious coin

I like to back up everything I say! I've always said AV is as good as WTD. I hope this video helps people on the fence.

Getting my friends the info they want on lift kits!

Aprreciate the input and I hope people on the fence of Action Van or Weldtec sees your comment. I did not like how Weldtec deleted the sway bar. Action Van Suspension Retains it. When I had a Action Van lift on my last van the stability was rock solid. On this van with no sway bar on a windy day my van is wandering a lot. The big one people don't consider is if you get into a accident a good lawyer can say you lost control due to the lack of sway bar. I always recommended Action Van Suspension and one of the biggest reason is it retains the sway bar. Weldtec removes it for the sake of bragging about articulation. Here's the thing. When they lift RVs they keep the sway bar. WTD know sway bars are an important feature and removing it from their van lift kits for articulation bragging rights is not worth it to remove such an important component in my opinion. People who do go with Action Van are free to remove the sway bar and they will Flex as much as a Weldtec but I say keep it for safety and insurance liability.

Get paid man! Worked Sat my day off!

@@JohnDrivesAnything Yeah,but that's your thing. You are highly motivated.😉

This meet is getting bigger and bigger. Hopefully Mister Action Van Suspension shows up at this one.

@@JohnDrivesAnything I got a lot of questions for Larry 🤣🤣

@@JillMorgan I have a couple of stock height friends showing up. I'll tell Larry he has to come to this meet lol

@@JohnDrivesAnything 🤣🤣

I appreciate the gesture man. Lifted Van meet November 1-3. I just want to see my friends happy and enjoying their van build. Action Van doesnt have the online presence like WTD and I have a few friends on the fence on Action Van Vs WTD. I have a ton of video up of my friends vans with both kits and a few of my friends made the move to AV because they can budget the price. Your video is going to get more people sitting on the fence to get off it and get lifted finally.

NGL #10 made me lol for real. #1 Don't like how the sway bar is deleted. If you get into an accident a good lawyer can say you lost control because of no sway bar. Now Weldtec gives you the option to keep it. $500 extra #2. Narrower means less stable on top of of no sway bar. #3 I need an add a leaf #4 My lift kit has been in 3+ years and I noticed its sitting lower then JaviWasabis van. He also has a Weldtec. My springs are losing height. Springs made for a 4500 pound SUV in a 6500 pound van #5 A good lawyer can say youu have Bent I beams that caused you to lose control. It says do not bend #6 I think OEM brackets are fine. #7 Its actually $7000 installed now. Ask Larry what does it cost to get thier base kit installed. #8 Action Van Base Kit has double donut but they go Heim on the Ultimate Arm. For Weldtec price it should be Heim not Double Donuts. #9 Its Extra, just like a Sway bar. #10 yeah that made me lol for real

Weldtec fanboys with no lift kit giving lift kit advice to buy weldtec wont like this video lol

You got 4wd though! Looking forward to meeting you and seeing your van! A little more variety at this meet.

@@JohnDrivesAnything I tagged you on a few IG post showing the van climbing up some rocks.

@@bigfoote4x4 Van Doing Jeep things!

Someone responded to this video and put his Action Van on a fork lift and did a flex test. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqGwoWenn5mIms0 I think this will get more people off the fence.

Ryans going to do it. Action Van Ultimate Kit running a sway bar. Curious to see how much the Sway bar limits the flex. I noticed Weldtec is starting to retain the sway bar now.......remember my video on insurance claims. You gave me that idea.

Ha! 😂

I had a AV lift for 7 years total in my last van and didn't have a problem. I would talk to people in this group who have Action Vans. When I do the meet again I'lll show all the vans and lift kits so you can ask Action Van lifted van guys questions. I know Action Vans send 2 different drop Pitman arms for their kits if you install it yourself.

This is the guy who owns Action Vans personal van. He actually drives a Econoline with his companys lift kit and goes off roading. The guy who runs Weldtec has a fancy 4x4 GM van kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5fOY6x9armlkJI

It's not even a concern. Action van geometry is perfect

The pitman arm is thicker and seats much better than stock

I was told Action Van can't do jumps........

Hopefully me and you can do a test with both of our vans. Both Extended running basic rear lift bocks. I know Weldtec did their test with the expensive leaf pack.

@@JohnDrivesAnything I'm down!!!!!!!

I hope you get lifted someday man.

Do it do it !!

Out of all the people I hacve ever talked to only one person got a vibrating drive shaft. If you do end up going with AV I don't think Larry will send you out with a vibrating drive shaft. As far as I know he's treated all my friends great.

None of that from mine

I didn't have any issues