Weldtec Vs Action Van Suspension wheel travel flex test | 2wd Ford Econoline lift kit comparison

[@That_Van_Guyy]

Glad I could help!!!

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

I appreciate the gesture man. Lifted Van meet November 1-3. I just want to see my friends happy and enjoying their van build. Action Van doesnt have the online presence like WTD and I have a few friends on the fence on Action Van Vs WTD. I have a ton of video up of my friends vans with both kits and a few of my friends made the move to AV because they can budget the price. Your video is going to get more people sitting on the fence to get off it and get lifted finally.

[@pf465]

I don't have a van but am forever interested in cool stuff like this. Subscribed. Keep up the good work and I'll be watching

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

I appreciate the support. November 1,2 and 3 Lifted Van meet. There might be up to 40 of this style van showing up. If you are into camping everyone is invited you don't need a Van to join us.

[@thomasbrun8695]

One thing I noticed is how much That_van_guyy had to cut his front fenders and even doors to get the tire to fit and flex. I know the Weld tech 6 inch kit pushes the front wheels FWD to compensate a bit. Love that both companies exist for us lifted econoline people 🤘

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

He crammed 35s in his. Weldtec is suppose to accept 35s I believe you have to notch the I-beams and do a little trimming. Biggest tires I seen on a AV no cutting is 285-75-17 that's a 34. That's the tire size I will go with eventually. I'm at a 4:10 gear and with a 4:10 and 33s I'm at a 3:82 gear. So 34s I'll be at the stock 3:73. Av and WTD had allowed people to have the cool 4x4 look for the fraction of the price. Most of my friends are running AV or WTD and everyone I know loves their vans that's why we do meets. We're fanatics lol

[@thomasbrun8695]

I have the WTD 6 on 35’s and had to do a little trimming to keep from rubbing up front . Even with 2 inch wheel spacers. Running 4:56 gears. Perfect combo Love my van 🙌

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

@@thomasbrun8695 Were you just going for more low end power that's why you went 4:56? I wanted to keep decent fuel economy thats why I didn't go 35s and 4:30 or 4:56 gears. I still get 16 MPG on road trips Grandma driving with the V10 engine. I still tow my Tracker like it's not there.

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

Shoutout to Jake for responding to my last video. Check out his IG and YT channel. kzbin.info/door/p65B--wD_9QTIRXIUtkD5A instagram.com/that_van_guyy/

[@katrinaassoumou1531]

Thank you so much and have an amazing day. Amen

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

Getting my friends the info they want on lift kits!

[@PozerAdultRacingTeam]

Good morning van people. Worked last night, back again this morning. Got to make that money.

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

Get paid man! Worked Sat my day off!

[@PozerAdultRacingTeam]

@@JohnDrivesAnything Yeah,but that's your thing. You are highly motivated.😉

[@camposvazquez]

Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

I was told Action Van can't do jumps........

[@bigfoote4x4]

I’m limited with my stock length break lines, mainly the rears. I also run 37s so my tire size is probably maxed out where I’m sure I would rub…. But I do have some flex photos on my IG. I think it does ok.

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

You got 4wd though! Looking forward to meeting you and seeing your van! A little more variety at this meet.

[@bigfoote4x4]

@@JohnDrivesAnything I tagged you on a few IG post showing the van climbing up some rocks.

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

@@bigfoote4x4 Van Doing Jeep things!

[@CHICOandtheVAN]

Only question I have now is about drive train vibrating at speeds

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

Out of all the people I hacve ever talked to only one person got a vibrating drive shaft. If you do end up going with AV I don't think Larry will send you out with a vibrating drive shaft. As far as I know he's treated all my friends great.

[@sebastianslife91]

None of that from mine

[@sebastianslife91]

I didn't have any issues

[@BigKahunaVan]

Fork lift certified 👍🏽

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

Weldtec fanboys with no lift kit giving lift kit advice to buy weldtec wont like this video lol

[@camposvazquez]

More vans getting flex tested please

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

Ryans going to do it. Action Van Ultimate Kit running a sway bar. Curious to see how much the Sway bar limits the flex. I noticed Weldtec is starting to retain the sway bar now.......remember my video on insurance claims. You gave me that idea.

[@sebastianslife91]

Ha! 😂

[@clarkleakins879]

Reading some comments. Sway bar delete is a bad idea. Detachable end links better if you really need superior flex, butvi expect that would only be useful with a 4x4. I would like a front and rear sway bar. Prefer better road handling, 3 inch lift, rear lock differential for occasional loose gravel/mud/light snow.

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

Aprreciate the input and I hope people on the fence of Action Van or Weldtec sees your comment. I did not like how Weldtec deleted the sway bar. Action Van Suspension Retains it. When I had a Action Van lift on my last van the stability was rock solid. On this van with no sway bar on a windy day my van is wandering a lot. The big one people don't consider is if you get into a accident a good lawyer can say you lost control due to the lack of sway bar. I always recommended Action Van Suspension and one of the biggest reason is it retains the sway bar. Weldtec removes it for the sake of bragging about articulation. Here's the thing. When they lift RVs they keep the sway bar. WTD know sway bars are an important feature and removing it from their van lift kits for articulation bragging rights is not worth it to remove such an important component in my opinion. People who do go with Action Van are free to remove the sway bar and they will Flex as much as a Weldtec but I say keep it for safety and insurance liability.

[@Ryanhall-s1o]

I'll get ya another action van flex test video

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

Hopefully me and you can do a test with both of our vans. Both Extended running basic rear lift bocks. I know Weldtec did their test with the expensive leaf pack.

[@Ryanhall-s1o]

@@JohnDrivesAnything I'm down!!!!!!!

[@veterantraveller-dq4re]

I want to lift my van So Bad!

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

I hope you get lifted someday man.

[@sebastianslife91]

Do it do it !!

[@dlansburg2673]

Thanks

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

Hope you stick around. My goal is to be the best most informative lifted van channel on youtube.

[@dirtydogvideo]

i knew it was coming!

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

I like to back up everything I say! I've always said AV is as good as WTD. I hope this video helps people on the fence.

[@BigTsPerspective]

Depends on the rear . How far does the rear springs droop. Shock length a spring rates . The suspension only does what it’s limited to. Split beams get crazy flex with the right setup. Just peak under any truck with whoop scissors

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

The WTD had custom rear springs. Me and my buddy have rear lift blocks both extended he has a Action Van Ultimate and I have a WTD. We will get our vans on a fork lift so it's a 100% apples to apples test.

[@sebastianslife91]

Weldtech Cons 1. No sway bar 2. Narrow tire with 3. 3in rear blocks 4. Bronco Skyjacker coils 5. Bent I- beams 6. Stock I-beam brackets 7. Overpriced 8. Double doughnut radius bushing 9. No steering stabilizer 10. Jeremy Johnson.

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

NGL #10 made me lol for real. #1 Don't like how the sway bar is deleted. If you get into an accident a good lawyer can say you lost control because of no sway bar. Now Weldtec gives you the option to keep it. $500 extra #2. Narrower means less stable on top of of no sway bar. #3 I need an add a leaf #4 My lift kit has been in 3+ years and I noticed its sitting lower then JaviWasabis van. He also has a Weldtec. My springs are losing height. Springs made for a 4500 pound SUV in a 6500 pound van #5 A good lawyer can say youu have Bent I beams that caused you to lose control. It says do not bend #6 I think OEM brackets are fine. #7 Its actually $7000 installed now. Ask Larry what does it cost to get thier base kit installed. #8 Action Van Base Kit has double donut but they go Heim on the Ultimate Arm. For Weldtec price it should be Heim not Double Donuts. #9 Its Extra, just like a Sway bar. #10 yeah that made me lol for real

[@veterantraveller-dq4re]

My only concern about AV lift kit is the 6in drop pitman arm leveraging the "shaft" that it attaches to on the steering box.

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

I had a AV lift for 7 years total in my last van and didn't have a problem. I would talk to people in this group who have Action Vans. When I do the meet again I'lll show all the vans and lift kits so you can ask Action Van lifted van guys questions. I know Action Vans send 2 different drop Pitman arms for their kits if you install it yourself.

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

This is the guy who owns Action Vans personal van. He actually drives a Econoline with his companys lift kit and goes off roading. The guy who runs Weldtec has a fancy 4x4 GM van kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5fOY6x9armlkJI

[@sebastianslife91]

It's not even a concern. Action van geometry is perfect

[@hedlcm]

The pitman arm is thicker and seats much better than stock

[@JillMorgan]

See ya Nov Meet up … I’m gonna be lookin close 🤣🤣

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

This meet is getting bigger and bigger. Hopefully Mister Action Van Suspension shows up at this one.

[@JillMorgan]

@@JohnDrivesAnything I got a lot of questions for Larry 🤣🤣

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

@@JillMorgan I have a couple of stock height friends showing up. I'll tell Larry he has to come to this meet lol

[@JillMorgan]

@@JohnDrivesAnything 🤣🤣

[@tr-lj2vx]

If you want a lift for looks or a little more ground clearance, just about any lift would be fine. If you NEED more than just a basic lift you are best off going to an off-road shop where they can customize your front end to be anything from a good quality lift all the way up to king of the hammer level trucks. Weldtech is all hype, even their 4wd conversions are laughable.

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

Yes sir. I said it straight up on another video. A Action Van Lift kit or Weldtec lift kit is the equivalent on a Rough Country basic lift kit. It's nothing high end. Weldtec Advertises their stuff like you are getting a Trophy Truck. This isn't long Travel. If you look up a Rough Country Ford Ranger lift it's $1000. A long Travel Ranger lift is $8000. That's why I always recommended Action Van to anyone just wanting a lift and more ground clearance. Even at $3500 installed that's a lot of money. Weldtec at $7000 + installed now is ridiculous for what you are actually getting. When I got mine in 2021 it was 4400 and Action Van was 2900 installed and even at 4400 I felt like it was over hyped. Weldtec is all marketing all hype and hats off to them for getting away with $7000 installs for a basic non long travel lift kit. I hope people see your comment and really do their research. If you look at the comment section I already got a Weldtec fanboy mad at me for this video.

[@tr-lj2vx]

@@JohnDrivesAnything I'm on your side, I'm not a fan of weldtech ! I don't have any experience with Action van so I don't even have an opinion about them.

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

@@tr-lj2vx I'm just trying to steer people in the right direction. Your comment is spot on and I hope people see it. When you review things honestly you will always upset fans. So when more people their analysis in the comment section people doing research will get more feed back. Most of my friends have AV or WTD and my friends no I'm just trying to help people spend their money wisely. I'm mindful of peoples feelings and In all honesty I think AV is better then Weldtec because it retains the sway bar and doesn't suck in the front with 2 inches like Weldtecs lift does so it's a better street driven lift kit. If you want to flex as much as a Weldtec take the sway bar off. I'm not even getting into potential insurance liabilities. Weldtec bends I-Beams, Ibeams have DO NOT BEND stamped on them. Get into an accident and a good lawyer can blame bent I-Beams or lack of sway bar for your accident. This video was made because I have friends who can afford a $3500 install and not a $7000 install. They want an AV but don't want to feel like they got the inferior lift. I'm putting the data out there that AV flexes as much and in this case more then the Weldtec. I just want to see my buddies with cool lifted vans. Like you said man custom off road shop can build something way better then these 2 off the shelf kits. A real Trophy truck had Custom I-Beams. Bending beams and slapping on Fox 2.0 shocks doesn't create a trophy truck.

[@samuelfox8126]

You said it, you wanted to look cool. Because of the marketing, Weldtec is much more well known. That would make it the cooler lift kit to have on your van. And now you regret spending the extra $2k. Weldtec is a for profit business. They did their job. And delivered on a better than stock ride promise. That's like hating on Nike when you can't dunk like Jordan. Someone not caught up in looking cool would've just gotten another Action Van lift kit because you already had one and liked it. That's on you bro.

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

No regrets at all. Since I have had both lift kits I can give my honest unbiased recommendation to people wanting a lifted van. The $2000 price gap install vs install is up to $3000 now. A lot of my friends could not budget a Weldtec lift and went with Action Van and are really impressed. Made lots of friends making lifted van content and reviews and it was cool of Jake to send me a Action Van Flex video to show that Weldtec is a lot of marketing hype and people on the fence might make the jump to AV now because now they know Weldtec doesn't blow AV away. I said it before and I'll say it again I have never tried to talk anyone out of buying a Weldtec. Most of my friends have AV or WTD. I just want to see my friends happy and enjoying this as much as I do. I hope you are too. God Bless you.

[@flexxi8000]

Why are you so obsessed with weldtec designs?

[@JohnDrivesAnything]

I'm not allowed to make comparison videos? I noticed Weldtec fans like to say Weldtec is the best without any data. They just take WTDs word for it. I'm doing my best to give people actual facts. I made friends with both WTDs and AVs. Someone said hey I'll get my AV on a fork lift for you so you can expand on this topic. So I showed both WTD and AV flexing and I'm letting people know if you want a lift and cant Afford WTDs $7000 install price AV is $3500 and flexes as much What's the problem? Looking at the comments it looks like people appreciate the data because they want to spend their money wisely. Did you miss the part where I say if you are a Weldtec fan and you appreciate their content spending the extra money on their lift is a great way to say thank you to them.