I must say , ive truly enjoyed this video! I enjoy the old cemeteries but this is a twist that im throughly enjoying. I really hope u continue doing this. Its inspiring me to find out more about my own family. ❤ From 🇨🇦
@kimmykimak37373 күн бұрын
I cant wait to find out more
@kimmykimak37375 күн бұрын
Thank u for such a wonderful look at this graveyard. We don't have those types of graveyards in Canada
@dc71176 күн бұрын
I want to thank you for making this video. A question I have not been able to get answered is why is Lady Boleyn buried with her Howard family and not with Thomas? Were they estranged when she died? Didn't she die first?
@bubblebaby89759 күн бұрын
I’m a Farr as well my name is Prairie Farr my father was telling me that my great great great great maybe another great😅 grandfather was actually from Germany and we get are last name from the elf mountains
@JalaKamal14 күн бұрын
Anne and George were executed in 1536. Elizabeth died in 1538 and Thomas in 1539. Did they died of broken heart? Sure they did. Only Mary survived and her descendants sit in the Throne of England.
@JalaKamal14 күн бұрын
Just almost two years after George and Anne executions.
@301nurse20 күн бұрын
He is my 15th great grandfather
@janettetaylor876026 күн бұрын
He should be shame to what he did to his daughter and her uncle they had no shame and all for greedy... Poor Anne didn't know what she was getting into with the threats they did to her... Henry 8th wasn't much of a husband if he listened to all the lies against her instead of asking her himself... They all cowards I'm still supposed Anne Boleyn to this day...
@lawrencejames8011Ай бұрын
The marks are hatching which give a two dimensional effect: until the early 1400s brass engravers adopted a one-dimensional effect. The changes reflect the growing naturalism which marked the Renaissance. Sorry to see the brass rubbing is forbidden, a philistine move by the parson or his parishioners.
@spudspuddy2 ай бұрын
I'm a decendant of the Cheyneys. My lot were the Kent cheyneys of Chilham Castle Kent, Sheppey & Faversham Kent
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH2 ай бұрын
How fascinating. I first saw the brass in the early 1990s and in was lovely to go back and have another look. I will be returning again soon to film again with my proper camera, not my phone!
@spudspuddy2 ай бұрын
The brass of Margaret Cheyne (pronounced CHAINEY) (1419) one of the most beautiful of the surviving brasses from the early 15th century. Margaret wears a long gown, tight fitting in the upper body, with a cloak, open at the front and tied with a cord at the breast. Her hair is attached to nets, covering the ears and extending outward and upward, with a veil that hangs down to her shoulders at the sides and back. Two angels hold the embroidered pillow behind her head, and a small dog is at her feet. The Latin inscription translates as follows, “Here lies Margaret, once the wife of William Cheyne, who died on the 23rd day of the month of August, in the Year of Our Lord 1419, on whose soul may God have mercy Amen.”
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH2 ай бұрын
Thank you for clearing up my pronunciation problem! It is a beautiful brass. I did read the 1994 article by Randolph Jones and have been seeing what else is there. I find it so fascinating that the Boleyn family must have looked upon her face, just as we do now. I am trying to find out more about the floor being raised and if the indent now in the Bullen Chapel was originally in the middle aisle as well. Thanks for commenting.
@happyfox7112 ай бұрын
About history, and those that wrote it down.. I'm a viking. You english forget we had the islands long before you started writing so much crap about us. 🤣 We're in your blood. 🤣🤣 Tudors..
@Kittymama203 ай бұрын
I think the Latin means “Evil to Him Who Evil Thinks”.
@trollmeistergeneral34673 ай бұрын
This must be one of the most unprofessionally-made videos it has ever been my misfortune to watch. Surely if you were going to visit a church and make a video, you would contact the relevant authorities beforehand and make the necessary arrangements? You would ask if it would be open and if not, make arrangements for it to be opened. How can you not know the meaning of “Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense?” How could you not know the history of the font? I repeat my comment. Thoroughly unprofessional. Oh, one more question. Why are you so bald?
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
Your name certainly suits you! Thank you for watching. It certainly is very sad indeed that writing comments like this are a source of enjoyment for you. I hope that in time you can heal and find a resolution to whatever has happened to you and hurt you in your life. I hope you have a lovely day!
@dc71176 күн бұрын
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Quite! Rude troll. Says it in his name.
@donadieu833 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed this
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
@@donadieu83 thank you. Please subscribe as more on this church and the church where Anne Boleyn's mother is buried is coming soon.
@donadieu833 ай бұрын
It French not Latin : evil to him who evil thinks
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
Thank you. I should know this. Embarrassing really!
@cfa73103 ай бұрын
I visited hever and missed the chapel.
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
It sadly is so easy to do!
@stevemellin58063 ай бұрын
This is great .iam 15tines removed cousin from these people. I am hooked on your programs
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for watching. I have been a bit quiet uploading videos as I have been working on a big project on St Mary-at-Lambeth parish church where Anne Boleyn's mother is buried. The work around that has taken me so much longer than intended, so will continue my video uploads when I launch that project very soon. This is where the Howard family were buried and so much to talk about with that place and those burials and families and people!
@GlennDemicol3 ай бұрын
Good video
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching.
@Anna-Jade3 ай бұрын
You talk too much about yourself. We are here for Anne Boleyn, not you.
@martinham14093 ай бұрын
Then go visit and keep your rude comments to yourself.
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
When people have their own KZbin channels they often talk about themselves. Are you new to KZbin?
@MJM-BS33 ай бұрын
@@Anna-Jade Put one of your videos up for a fair comparison please.
@martinham14093 ай бұрын
@user-pk1gp7iy2o If you are there for Anne Boleyn you are going to have a long wait
@simon-oy6um3 ай бұрын
Show us the bones 😅😅😅
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
It would be amazing if they excavated the Bullen Chapel as there is probably a vault there. I think Thomas Boleyn's mother is also buried there as she died after Thomas and lived at the castle.
@WickedFelina3 ай бұрын
The Garter motto on his robe comes from this story about King Edward III. While dancing with a woman, her garter slipped off her leg and fell to the floor. It is believed she was a witch as it was common for them to wear a garter on their thigh under their garments. The King picked up her garter placing it back on her thigh uttering the words "Honi soit qui mal y pense" Norman French meaning "Shame on him who thinks evil of it."
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing that story, I didn't know the origin of the motto.
@bob_the_bomb45083 ай бұрын
‘Honi Soit Qui Mal y Pense’ is still commemorated on the cap badge of the Royal Engineers
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
@@bob_the_bomb4508 Thank you. I was not aware if that. My great uncle was in the Royal Engineers bomb disposal and killed in 1941 while disposing of a bomb dropped in the Portsmouth Blitz. I think now you mention it my great Granny may have embroidered a handkerchief with the logo on.
@TimKozlowski-bp5tg3 ай бұрын
He's the Grandfather of one of the greatest rulers of England
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
I wonder if Elizabeth I remembered him?
@TimKozlowski-bp5tg3 ай бұрын
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Probably not
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
@@TimKozlowski-bp5tg you never know. My grandfather died when I was 5 and I remember him. I just don't know what contact he might have had with Elizabeth. Probably very little, maybe from afar.
@happyfox7113 ай бұрын
8:08 don't need to be a tomb, could be an old stairwell
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
Do you mean the fireplace or the tomb under the carpet?
@happyfox7112 ай бұрын
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH I meant the one that's filled in under the carpet, but of course the fireplace would be a good place to look for it, too. These catacombes always had multiple entries some to access hidden parts. It's not indiana jones, It's just how they protected the dead (that could pay for it) And those exclusive clubs also had a thing about going down there and talk to them.. 🤘😆
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH2 ай бұрын
@@happyfox711 from my research it looks like the stone was originally somewhere else and later moved to this chapel. Vaults were certainly under some stones, but as far as I know the chapel has never been excavated. Maybe one day!
@happyfox7113 ай бұрын
.. And I thought he was in the hellfire cave.. 🤣
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
Do you think he was a terrible man? I find it so hard to imagine what it must have been like for him and his wife seeing their family destroyed by a tyrant like Henry VIII.
@happyfox7112 ай бұрын
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Sure, but It's a long time ago, don't you think they've gotten over it by now? One elite tyranny or another, they always wrote down history in their favour. So I take things with a pinch of salt, although things were savage, (even today, when tyrants can't even keep the peace) And they all did the same popery. One church or another rebellious offspring. Get the gold, by selling tickets to heaven, or just simply slaughter and take it. Always a f... insane crusade. You don't see many rich people w.o. slaves and blood on their hands. Sorry man, I care more for normal people
@happyfox7112 ай бұрын
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH in short, probably quite terrible
@debbierowley88333 ай бұрын
Wow....what an unpleasant human being you are, so glad I don’t know you.
@debbierowley88333 ай бұрын
Evil be to he who evil thinks.......I use that snippet myself.......strangely appropriate for a Father who abandoned his daughter to her fate at the hands of Henry V111th, I imagine the irony of the quote wasn’t lost on those who read it at the time.
@Anna-Jade3 ай бұрын
When a King as powerful as Henry the eighth wants your daughter, what can you do about it? Not much.
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
I was reading about this and there is just not enough primary sources for us to know for sure what he could or couldn't do. Did he have any choice? Do you listen to the Talking Tudors podcasts at all? There are some great discussions on this topic there.
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
@@Anna-Jade I think sadly this is probably how it was, but I understand why people do not look favourably on Anne Boleyn's parents. We just don't have the primary sources to know anything for certain.
@Nana-vi4rd3 ай бұрын
I found on my paternal grandmother's side of the family my ancestors also came with William the Conqueror and his name was De Richmond and from what I found he was given land in or near York. I felt such pride learning that as well as a lot of other things about my paternal grandmother's side of the family.....the Richmonds.
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
I can't believe that I have got a line that can be traced back that far to 1066. And I bet you can't either! I have been double checking it all and it all seems to work out. It is fascinating really. It sounds like your Richmonds are an interesting line.
@Nana-vi4rd3 ай бұрын
Could you find out just how Anne's mother felt towards her husband after the death of her two children? I can not see them being very close after Anne and George lost their heads due to Elizabeth's husband and her brother's greed and lust for power. I for one would have avoided my husband if he had cause the death of two of my children. And don't forget that Thomas Boleyn also banished his other daughter, Mary from the family. It must have been heart wrenching for Elizabeth, I know it would have been for me.
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
I am really interested in what the primary sources say about Thomas and Elizabeth Boleyn and what we can learn about them. The truth is we do not know much. We do know that Elizabeth did not die at Hever and was buried at Lambeth, but this seems to have been a standard practice for the Howard women. Nicola Clark has published a great piece of work on this that you can read here: www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-ecclesiastical-history/article/gendering-of-dynastic-memory-burial-choices-of-the-howards-14851559/E48E2D2465DD84EA4ABECBB71C0EA57A On her grave though, Elizabeth was called Howard, not a Boleyn and her husband was not mentioned. We do of course not know if this was because Agnes, Duchess of Norfolk did not want the Boleyn name in her chapel or if Elizabeth did not want to have the Boleyn name on her gravestone. So much to consider but we will sadly never know.
@rhondatrout13603 ай бұрын
I wonder if there are any descendants from the Boleyn family>
@jumaris283 ай бұрын
Sure they are , seating on todays Monarchy, princessDiana was another one related to her
@Anna-Jade3 ай бұрын
Lots of them.
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
Yes there are so many descendants via Mary Boleyn|Carey|Stafford, including the present King of England, Charles III. Many of us here could easily be descendants without knowing!
@michaellewis65103 ай бұрын
Please dont be so critical. It's still very interesting
@kaymaynard45323 ай бұрын
Very interesting. Thank you
@SusieAnderson-ds7dq3 ай бұрын
What about mrs Boleyn? Is she in the church, also?
@debbierowley88333 ай бұрын
He told us that at the end, exactly where she was buried.
@SusieAnderson-ds7dq3 ай бұрын
@@debbierowley8833 thanks...will watch it again...had to tend to my baking and lost it!
@SawChick2493 ай бұрын
As far as I know I read that she was buried with her family (the Norfolk kin)
@SusieAnderson-ds7dq3 ай бұрын
@@SawChick249 thanks!
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
She is in Lambeth parish church and there is a video about her gravestone in the link at the end of this message. I have actually been researching this church and the burial places of the Howard family in it. A video on a big project I have set up on researching this church is coming soon. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKmpaqmweNN8rsU
@michaeldianewynne84143 ай бұрын
I still have the brass rubbing of Thomas Bullen, which I did in the 1960s, when you were still allowed to do them. Remember climbing up onto the tomb in order to do it. Took quite a few hours.
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
That is very exciting to have indeed. I think when I visited in the 1990s to look at it, brass rubbing was not allowed then. So I am envious you have that rubbing!
@michaeldianewynne84143 ай бұрын
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Trouble is no one I know wants it. It is still rolled up in a tube and will probably just be thrown away. I now live in Spain so difficult to send it anywhere
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
@@michaeldianewynne8414 don't throw it away! That would be very, very sad!!
@michaeldianewynne84143 ай бұрын
I agree. Is there any way I can contact you privately?
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
@@michaeldianewynne8414 of course. Are you on instagram? instagram.com/fourminutefamilyhistory4mfh/ If not, please let me know!
@laurelshelhamer89583 ай бұрын
Better on mute. I don't want to hear about you. No speculations, please. Oh goodie! The door was unlocked!
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
I hope you are having a lovely week!
@martinham14093 ай бұрын
@@laurelshelhamer8958 It is unfortunate you are not on mute
@billcoley65613 ай бұрын
It could have been more interesting if the person making this video had more information .
@wendygraham68633 ай бұрын
easy to find
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
There is a whole series of videos coming on this and the second one is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmjFXqOnq8-JhtE
@MJM-BS33 ай бұрын
@@billcoley6561 Seek and ye shall find……
@MJM-BS33 ай бұрын
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Thank you, I’m not sure some realise how much work goes into these. Much appreciated.
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
@@MJM-BS3 I had no idea how long it takes to edit a video and do everything you need to on KZbin until I started a channel! I also always want to make sure that videos are fully accessible so you have to edit all the subtitles too. If the person had looked in the description they could have found the next video which has more information. More in the series will be coming soon. Thank you for watching.
@Gamble6613 ай бұрын
So, she's currently buried in the gift shop...not sure how to feel about that. Also wonder why they don't cover the tombs with plexiglass or something because the constant foot traffic can't be good for them.
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
I absolutely agree. I have been working on a big research project relating to this church and the tombs and graves and this will be coming to the channel soon. Thanks for your interest.
@Gamble6613 ай бұрын
Been to this church several times while visiting Hever Castle, really amazing little church. The Henry VIII pub (ironic name considering his history with the family) was just across the street...nice little pub.
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
People who visit the castle seem to miss the church and I think it is a brilliant place to visit.
@marierowe59693 ай бұрын
There was no standard English so people's names were spelled differently so it would have not unusual ...bullen and Boleyn same family .
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
Indeed. The spellings can be so varied for so many names. I think it interesting though that the two little tombs to Thomas and Henry Boleyn in Hever and Penshurst have different surname spellings as I think they were probably put in place at the same time. But as with many of these things, we are just not at all sure!
@colleenshea76263 ай бұрын
Bullen is a common spelling of the time.
@LHLK-q2v3 ай бұрын
Nice video, why do they let people walk on these stones? Such a waste to rebuild a chapel and not protect original portions.
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
Thank you. This is certainly something that I don't think should have happened either. The stone will sadly become totally worn away.
@LHLK-q2v3 ай бұрын
Interesting that his name is spelled differently. Sad that the brasses etc have been stolen? It would be nice to have arranged to meet with someone who knew more about the brasses, burial records, etc. Good video
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH3 ай бұрын
There are many more videos coming up on this topic and I have researched the tmbs a lot more since this one. The only one currently up online is kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmjFXqOnq8-JhtE However more are coming and it is apparent that some of the brass elements have been replaced. It seems the whole brass cross in Hever for infant Henry is a replacement. i assume originally it was the same design as the one in Penshurst to Thomas Boleyn with a stepped base. One thing I would like to try and find out is if they reshaped the indent in the stone when they replaced the cross. But not sure that is something I will ever be able to ascertain.
@cherylschantz98934 ай бұрын
The camerawork leaves a lot to be desired.
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH4 ай бұрын
Agree! Sadly I wasn't planning on filming that day, it was a bit spontaneous so I didn't have my vlog camera. But this is the first in a series on this church so you will see it filmed better in future!
@MJM-BS33 ай бұрын
He was using his phone, you can see it. Why say anything? It was interesting.
@martinham14093 ай бұрын
Go see if you can do better.
@dc71176 күн бұрын
That was a mean comment. I enjoyed it.
@Magic_in_York4 ай бұрын
All of my father's family were born and lived in Lambeth for many years as most of them worked at the Royal Doulton factory. I wish I had done some ancestral research when I was still living in south London - unfortunately the internet was not available then and it involved too much footwork!
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH4 ай бұрын
I hope to do something on the Doulton factory as an ancestor was in Lambeth and was a potter and pottery burner in the 1890s, so perhaps he worked there. There is still so much research you can do from wherever you are though!
@Magic_in_York4 ай бұрын
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Oh that's wonderful, can't wait to hear what you find out. If you come across anyone with the surname Hilkin, that's one of mine. Quite an unusual name, it derived from Norway apparently - Vikings! I know I can do some of it from here in York, it's just applying myself, I find some of it quite confusing!
@kimlakkides7704 ай бұрын
My 2 x Great Grandparents were married at St Mary’s Lambeth , I’m visiting next month
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH4 ай бұрын
I hope you enjoy your visit! I have been doing a lot of research on the church and this is going to be coming soon.
@kimlakkides7704 ай бұрын
@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH that’s brilliant, I’ll look forward to that
@bahoonies4 ай бұрын
I recently cleared out my late mother's before it was sold. Not one of my siblings living locally gave me any help. I found a huge number of old photos and negatives. In addition, I have a large bag containing old cine film together with lots of rolls of old undeveloped 35mm and 120mm film. None of my siblings are remotely interested in them. It would all have been lost but for me. I'm slowly going though photos and negatives. Some things will go to the national archives. I've been able to identify deceased relatives and locate graves. There's so much more to do but I'm disgusted with my family that they just don't care. You keep doing what you're doing. I think it's very important and fascinating work.
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH4 ай бұрын
I am sorry to hear about your mother and what you had to do. Sadly often relatives are not that interested in the past and so it is amazing that you are donating some of her collection to the archives. I have cine films of my family too and the process to digitise them is a long one, but I am trying. Thanks so much for the comments and letting me know you are enjoying the videos. It has been a quiet few weeks with uploads, but more are coming very soon!
@bahoonies4 ай бұрын
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Thanks for your kind comment. Mum was 96 when she died but clearing her house was a labour of love for me. It has left me tired but with many fascinating questions. I've already found answers to some, but others will probably never be solved. But I'll keep researching. I'm in Ireland but I've found deceased relatives in England I never knew I had. I'd love to trace their graves and visit them. I also found a young lad, only 20 years old when he was killed in France in 1917. I know where he's buried. He wasn't a relative but from his notes and letters he seems to have been much loved by my great aunts and uncles. He was a 2nd lieutenant in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers and I have his officers sizzle stick with regimental crest on it plus some other memorabilia. I'd love to trace his family or failing that, see if there's a regimental museum to which I could donate his things.
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH4 ай бұрын
@@bahoonies sorting through my late father's things was a challenge and there was not as much as your mother's house. It must have been incredibly challenging doing it on your own. I hope you are able to do the research you would like to do and find a place to donate the objects. It sounds like an interesting story to find out about.
@bahoonies4 ай бұрын
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH It really was a challenge especially as I had a fast approaching sale closing date. But I got it done and it was very rewarding. I'm sure I'll find answers to many of the questions I've been presented with and that I'll be able to donate items where they best belong. Best wishes.
@anunrealproduction14384 ай бұрын
loved the presentation.. Subscribed.. Great format!!
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH4 ай бұрын
Thank you! More episodes are coming soon. It has been a bit quiet as I have been working on finding out more about this tomb and this is going to be coming very soon!
@leesa31404 ай бұрын
Thanks. Very interesting video.
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH4 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching. I have been finding out more about this tomb and that will be coming soon.
@IamaDutch-Kiwi4 ай бұрын
It's always a treat to re-vist a favourite place. How special for you to share this with us..a well documented video and lovely to watch. Enjoy your wanderings. 👌🇳🇱🙋♀🥝
@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH4 ай бұрын
Thank you very much! Lots more on this to come. I have found out a lot more about this church and tomb and this will be coming in future episodes!