How fascinating. I first saw the brass in the early 1990s and in was lovely to go back and have another look. I will be returning again soon to film again with my proper camera, not my phone!

Thank you for clearing up my pronunciation problem! It is a beautiful brass. I did read the 1994 article by Randolph Jones and have been seeing what else is there. I find it so fascinating that the Boleyn family must have looked upon her face, just as we do now. I am trying to find out more about the floor being raised and if the indent now in the Bullen Chapel was originally in the middle aisle as well. Thanks for commenting.

Your name certainly suits you! Thank you for watching. It certainly is very sad indeed that writing comments like this are a source of enjoyment for you. I hope that in time you can heal and find a resolution to whatever has happened to you and hurt you in your life. I hope you have a lovely day!

@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Quite! Rude troll. Says it in his name.

@@donadieu83 thank you. Please subscribe as more on this church and the church where Anne Boleyn's mother is buried is coming soon.

Thank you. I should know this. Embarrassing really!

It sadly is so easy to do!

Thanks so much for watching. I have been a bit quiet uploading videos as I have been working on a big project on St Mary-at-Lambeth parish church where Anne Boleyn's mother is buried. The work around that has taken me so much longer than intended, so will continue my video uploads when I launch that project very soon. This is where the Howard family were buried and so much to talk about with that place and those burials and families and people!

Thank you for watching.

Then go visit and keep your rude comments to yourself.

When people have their own KZbin channels they often talk about themselves. Are you new to KZbin?

@@Anna-Jade Put one of your videos up for a fair comparison please.

@user-pk1gp7iy2o If you are there for Anne Boleyn you are going to have a long wait

It would be amazing if they excavated the Bullen Chapel as there is probably a vault there. I think Thomas Boleyn's mother is also buried there as she died after Thomas and lived at the castle.

Thank you for sharing that story, I didn't know the origin of the motto.

‘Honi Soit Qui Mal y Pense’ is still commemorated on the cap badge of the Royal Engineers

@@bob_the_bomb4508 Thank you. I was not aware if that. My great uncle was in the Royal Engineers bomb disposal and killed in 1941 while disposing of a bomb dropped in the Portsmouth Blitz. I think now you mention it my great Granny may have embroidered a handkerchief with the logo on.

I wonder if Elizabeth I remembered him?

@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Probably not

@@TimKozlowski-bp5tg you never know. My grandfather died when I was 5 and I remember him. I just don't know what contact he might have had with Elizabeth. Probably very little, maybe from afar.

Do you mean the fireplace or the tomb under the carpet?

@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH I meant the one that's filled in under the carpet, but of course the fireplace would be a good place to look for it, too. These catacombes always had multiple entries some to access hidden parts. It's not indiana jones, It's just how they protected the dead (that could pay for it) And those exclusive clubs also had a thing about going down there and talk to them.. 🤘😆

@@happyfox711 from my research it looks like the stone was originally somewhere else and later moved to this chapel. Vaults were certainly under some stones, but as far as I know the chapel has never been excavated. Maybe one day!

Do you think he was a terrible man? I find it so hard to imagine what it must have been like for him and his wife seeing their family destroyed by a tyrant like Henry VIII.

@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Sure, but It's a long time ago, don't you think they've gotten over it by now? One elite tyranny or another, they always wrote down history in their favour. So I take things with a pinch of salt, although things were savage, (even today, when tyrants can't even keep the peace) And they all did the same popery. One church or another rebellious offspring. Get the gold, by selling tickets to heaven, or just simply slaughter and take it. Always a f... insane crusade. You don't see many rich people w.o. slaves and blood on their hands. Sorry man, I care more for normal people

@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH in short, probably quite terrible

When a King as powerful as Henry the eighth wants your daughter, what can you do about it? Not much.

I was reading about this and there is just not enough primary sources for us to know for sure what he could or couldn't do. Did he have any choice? Do you listen to the Talking Tudors podcasts at all? There are some great discussions on this topic there.

@@Anna-Jade I think sadly this is probably how it was, but I understand why people do not look favourably on Anne Boleyn's parents. We just don't have the primary sources to know anything for certain.

I can't believe that I have got a line that can be traced back that far to 1066. And I bet you can't either! I have been double checking it all and it all seems to work out. It is fascinating really. It sounds like your Richmonds are an interesting line.

I am really interested in what the primary sources say about Thomas and Elizabeth Boleyn and what we can learn about them. The truth is we do not know much. We do know that Elizabeth did not die at Hever and was buried at Lambeth, but this seems to have been a standard practice for the Howard women. Nicola Clark has published a great piece of work on this that you can read here: www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-ecclesiastical-history/article/gendering-of-dynastic-memory-burial-choices-of-the-howards-14851559/E48E2D2465DD84EA4ABECBB71C0EA57A On her grave though, Elizabeth was called Howard, not a Boleyn and her husband was not mentioned. We do of course not know if this was because Agnes, Duchess of Norfolk did not want the Boleyn name in her chapel or if Elizabeth did not want to have the Boleyn name on her gravestone. So much to consider but we will sadly never know.

Sure they are , seating on todays Monarchy, princessDiana was another one related to her

Lots of them.

Yes there are so many descendants via Mary Boleyn|Carey|Stafford, including the present King of England, Charles III. Many of us here could easily be descendants without knowing!

He told us that at the end, exactly where she was buried.

@@debbierowley8833 thanks...will watch it again...had to tend to my baking and lost it!

As far as I know I read that she was buried with her family (the Norfolk kin)

@@SawChick249 thanks!

She is in Lambeth parish church and there is a video about her gravestone in the link at the end of this message. I have actually been researching this church and the burial places of the Howard family in it. A video on a big project I have set up on researching this church is coming soon. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKmpaqmweNN8rsU

That is very exciting to have indeed. I think when I visited in the 1990s to look at it, brass rubbing was not allowed then. So I am envious you have that rubbing!

@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Trouble is no one I know wants it. It is still rolled up in a tube and will probably just be thrown away. I now live in Spain so difficult to send it anywhere

@@michaeldianewynne8414 don't throw it away! That would be very, very sad!!

I agree. Is there any way I can contact you privately?

@@michaeldianewynne8414 of course. Are you on instagram? instagram.com/fourminutefamilyhistory4mfh/ If not, please let me know!

I hope you are having a lovely week!

@@laurelshelhamer8958 It is unfortunate you are not on mute

easy to find

There is a whole series of videos coming on this and the second one is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmjFXqOnq8-JhtE

@@billcoley6561 Seek and ye shall find……

@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Thank you, I’m not sure some realise how much work goes into these. Much appreciated.

@@MJM-BS3 I had no idea how long it takes to edit a video and do everything you need to on KZbin until I started a channel! I also always want to make sure that videos are fully accessible so you have to edit all the subtitles too. If the person had looked in the description they could have found the next video which has more information. More in the series will be coming soon. Thank you for watching.

I absolutely agree. I have been working on a big research project relating to this church and the tombs and graves and this will be coming to the channel soon. Thanks for your interest.

People who visit the castle seem to miss the church and I think it is a brilliant place to visit.

Indeed. The spellings can be so varied for so many names. I think it interesting though that the two little tombs to Thomas and Henry Boleyn in Hever and Penshurst have different surname spellings as I think they were probably put in place at the same time. But as with many of these things, we are just not at all sure!

Thank you. This is certainly something that I don't think should have happened either. The stone will sadly become totally worn away.

There are many more videos coming up on this topic and I have researched the tmbs a lot more since this one. The only one currently up online is kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmjFXqOnq8-JhtE However more are coming and it is apparent that some of the brass elements have been replaced. It seems the whole brass cross in Hever for infant Henry is a replacement. i assume originally it was the same design as the one in Penshurst to Thomas Boleyn with a stepped base. One thing I would like to try and find out is if they reshaped the indent in the stone when they replaced the cross. But not sure that is something I will ever be able to ascertain.

Agree! Sadly I wasn't planning on filming that day, it was a bit spontaneous so I didn't have my vlog camera. But this is the first in a series on this church so you will see it filmed better in future!

He was using his phone, you can see it. Why say anything? It was interesting.

Go see if you can do better.

That was a mean comment. I enjoyed it.

I hope to do something on the Doulton factory as an ancestor was in Lambeth and was a potter and pottery burner in the 1890s, so perhaps he worked there. There is still so much research you can do from wherever you are though!

@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Oh that's wonderful, can't wait to hear what you find out. If you come across anyone with the surname Hilkin, that's one of mine. Quite an unusual name, it derived from Norway apparently - Vikings! I know I can do some of it from here in York, it's just applying myself, I find some of it quite confusing!

I hope you enjoy your visit! I have been doing a lot of research on the church and this is going to be coming soon.

@@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH that’s brilliant, I’ll look forward to that

I am sorry to hear about your mother and what you had to do. Sadly often relatives are not that interested in the past and so it is amazing that you are donating some of her collection to the archives. I have cine films of my family too and the process to digitise them is a long one, but I am trying. Thanks so much for the comments and letting me know you are enjoying the videos. It has been a quiet few weeks with uploads, but more are coming very soon!

@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH Thanks for your kind comment. Mum was 96 when she died but clearing her house was a labour of love for me. It has left me tired but with many fascinating questions. I've already found answers to some, but others will probably never be solved. But I'll keep researching. I'm in Ireland but I've found deceased relatives in England I never knew I had. I'd love to trace their graves and visit them. I also found a young lad, only 20 years old when he was killed in France in 1917. I know where he's buried. He wasn't a relative but from his notes and letters he seems to have been much loved by my great aunts and uncles. He was a 2nd lieutenant in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers and I have his officers sizzle stick with regimental crest on it plus some other memorabilia. I'd love to trace his family or failing that, see if there's a regimental museum to which I could donate his things.

@@bahoonies sorting through my late father's things was a challenge and there was not as much as your mother's house. It must have been incredibly challenging doing it on your own. I hope you are able to do the research you would like to do and find a place to donate the objects. It sounds like an interesting story to find out about.

@FourMinuteFamilyHistory4MFH It really was a challenge especially as I had a fast approaching sale closing date. But I got it done and it was very rewarding. I'm sure I'll find answers to many of the questions I've been presented with and that I'll be able to donate items where they best belong. Best wishes.

Thank you! More episodes are coming soon. It has been a bit quiet as I have been working on finding out more about this tomb and this is going to be coming very soon!

Thank you for watching. I have been finding out more about this tomb and that will be coming soon.

Thank you very much! Lots more on this to come. I have found out a lot more about this church and tomb and this will be coming in future episodes!