Համաձայան եմ, եղբայր, բայց մեր յերկրում էնքան վատ վիճակ ա, որ շատերը գէրադասում են գրել լատինատառ: Էլ ի՞նչ Մեսրոպեան ուղղագրութեան մասին է խօսքը, եթէ ժողովուրդը նոյնիսկ սովետական ուղղագրութիւնից չի օգտւում

@@noffill_zangezurian_edits այո, պետք է այնպես անել, որ լատինատառ գրելը հնացած ու անհեթեթ թվա

Ինչո՞ւ է պետք։

գրենք հայատառ❤

I guess it depens more on how good one can speak Armenian. Both Western and Eastern Armenian speakers who went to an actual Armenian school all their life will understand eatch other. But people who learn the language "just from their family" will have problems understanding. I myself learnt West armenian at home and I still have problems understanding Eastern speakers when they talk to fast or use other words then I know

no such thing as Central Armenian

I suppose you’re referring to the Western Armenian spoken with mixed Arabic words or whatever. Next time you have smtg negative to say about Western Armenian go and talk to someone educated, see how they speak

@@simbb6751 Don't all West Asian languages have some Arabic words? Even some European languages like Spanish have Arabic words. I think the OP just has a personal preference for Eastern Armenian since they were brought up with it, like how people prefer British English to American English. I don't think it has to do with Arabic words being mixed (Eastern Armenian also has some Arabic words in it).

Sarban what he’s referring to is the Armenians who use Arabic words in their vocabulary. Those Arabic words and not officially part of Western Armenian, they’re like a king of “slang”. Just like Eastern Armenians who mix Russian in their vocabulary. And as for the Western Armenian pronunciation, Western Armenians have a different pronunciation because their dialect evolved in Constantinople and because of that they can’t pronounce պ, տ, կ, ջ, ձ like Eastern Armenians (who kept the pronunciations bc their dialect evolved in Tiflis and Georgians have those sounds)

Go fuck yourself Western Armenian sounds so sweet and I am a native Eastern Armenian speaker

@@simbb6751 you do realize western armenian ha dropped many words, pronounciations, and letters, who is more educated?

Այբուբենին մէջը չէ

wrong

sometimes they have trouble understanding but for the most part the message gets across.

CrossWood Productions I speak Western Armenian and I understand 100% of Eastern Armenian. Just because we pronounce words differently does NOT mean that we don’t understand what’s said in Eastern Armenian.

@Killikia Productions it's the other way around I believe

I've started pronouncing my բ as 'pb'։ is that an OK compromise? But I dont want to switch the բ and պ։ And I want to keep using իւ spelling։ :-D

That’s a result of western Armenia being under ottoman control for many centuries. Eastern Armenia evolved in Tiflis and Georgians also have those same consonant sounds, so it was easier for the Armenians there to keep those consonant sounds. Logic.

Manvel K you need to go and check your sanity

@@simbb6751 nothing wrong with not saying certain sounds it does not make Western Armenian bad in some way. We are both sons of Hayk

@@simbb6751 also Eastern Armenian evolved in my city Ejmiatsin. Most of the turkic words we stopped using them and we don't use foreign words like telephone, astronaut, fridge etc. We translated them long ago using Armenian loanwords from Grabar. Western Armenian is rather different in its history and evolution and borrows more words from French then we do here.

because it is a hard T('t) which sounds closest to an english D but it not exactly a T or D. The armenian language has more sounds than the western alphabet. So sometimes you have to combine letters in english to make the armenian equivalent or otherwise use the closest equivalent. it is also sometimes imposible to find any equivalent։ such as the case of KH խ

armenian letters are difficult to describe the sound in english, this particular letter is a combination of the t & d sound you hear in english

it is always D in Easter Armenian.....Western, would call it T ...wader..water...

Edward Chopuryan ի՞նչ եք խօսում: Արեւմտահայերէնը լիարժեք գրական լեզու է: Դուք, երեւի, չէք ճանաչում այն, եթէ համեմատում եք բարբառի հետ: Արեւմտահայերէնը, ի դէպ, չունի սապուն, գեազար եւ նման ոչ հայերէն բառեր;)

Edward Chopuryan Աճարեանի «հայոց լեզուի պատմութիւն»-ը ձեզ յօգուտ:

Edward Chopuryan ուզում եք, թէ ոչ, արեւմտահայերէնը գրական լեզու է: Փառք Աստուծոյ, ձեր կամքից չէ կախուած նրայ գրական լինելը: Ձեր անտեսումը արեւմտահայերէնի նկատմամբ ինձ համար, որպէս արեւմտահայի համար, վիրաւորական է:

@@hamsecihaji4503 իմ կարծիքով նա նկատի ունի, որ պետք չի որպես առանձին լեզուներ նրանց դիտարկել, այլ որպես մի լեզու։ Իսկ վիրավորվելու կարիք չկա, ես ինքս խոսում եմ արևելահայերեն, բայց կարծում եմ, որ աևմտահայերենն է դոմինանտ լեզուն։ Աստված տա մի օր ետ բերենք մեր հողերը, եվ արևելահայերենը դառնա մեր օֆիցյալ լեզուն

It may be a bit late but let me try to explain it to you and hopefully it will come to you as a notification. Long ago there was a singular Armenian language (rarely spoken today and only by small families that managed to stay isolated in western armenia now eastern turkey) but over time in larger populated zones of armenia western armenian became dominant and is still used by the church to this day outside of Armenia. Churches within armenia and Armenian priests from Armenia obviously use the eastern Armenian dialect though some try to use western during service. The eastern Armenian dialect began forming when the Russians were in control of present day Armenia. Just like how Mexican natives speak English with a strong accent Armenian speakers of Russian had a strong accent. Now over time the accent changed to where Armenians spoke near perfect Russian and Armenian, but it was no longer Western Armenian. It formed the Eastern Armenian dialect and because some words were near impossible to say with that dialect inch goosesgor ( western armenian for what do you want) is a lot harder to say properly as inch kooseskor because if you say it quickly it's a jumbled mess. So they used ousoom ( oo-zoom) and it grew from there. Outside of Armenia it really depends on where you go and where the family came from but private armenian schools tend to teach eastern armenian. Of course they accept western Armenian in tests. Now for the whole regional aspect. Western Armenian is spoken most cleanly in Lebanon and some parts of Syria. Israeli Armenians speak a much more slang filled term of Armenian which is essentially taking a word from another language and or adding an Armenian prefix or suffix. We say Oto ("armenianified" way of saying car derived from Auto) or tren for train or Computer-uh which means the computer Cake-Uh for the cake. In Lebanon they use Gauto for cake. Armenians in the west tend to use French and Turkish words like Mercy or Patates (meaning potato) as opposed to kednekhonsor ( which means ground apple aka potato). Armenians living in Burbank have their own form of Armenian that's been heavily simplified from Eastern Armenian and tends to mix in English. Armenian from Arab speaking lands (including Israel) tend to mix in Arabic here and there but to a very small extent. Armenian from Iran (known as Barska hye) speak a mix of Persian and Armenian which sometimes even we question how they understand each other. Their armenian is based off the east. Russian Armenians tend to include Russian in their sentences but not as much as the Persian Armenians add Persian. Armenians from Russia also don't drop their accent when speaking in Armenian for instance if they just spoke in Russian their accent will tend to stay in russian or if they just spoke a lot of English they will keep their Mixed accent and not go full Armenian. Eastern Armenians have an accent and a way of speaking that is a lot slower and focuses on each syllable because it's a lot of hard sounds. Western Armenian from Arab states tends to be a lot more Flowey and soft (but both always tend to end up sounding like shouting lol). Armenians from the US tend to speak in what seems like broken sentences because in English you highly highly stress each sound of each word and they end up doing the same so it doesn't sound one peace. Turkish Armenians speak Western but also have a bit of a choppy feel to them.

+Sarkis Boyadjian Thenk you for taking the time to explain the differences. If I got it right Eastern Armenian is harder but also more complete? I now kind of feel that's the dialect I may want to go for, if I were to study it. Now I'd be really happy if you could just answer one question. Have you ever heard "Castelletti" or "Kasteliti" somewhere as a family name? Many thanks from Italy!

+scarletb79 Oops, thAnk you with the A!

+scarletb79 No I think you may have misunderstood me. Western Armenian for most people will be a lot harder at the beginning because it needs to flow otherwise it'll be a bit unintelligible at times unlike eastern where you can. still at times salvage a sentence. Both have the same completion and ability except native Western Armenian speakers tent to add in these foreign languages or slang words this doesn't mean you'll be taught slang words. Most Western Armenians know all the words but because of how long it is to say computer and train and stuff like that we just tend to use slang instead

+scarletb79 Also no I don't believe I've heard that name before

I agree. Actually i find that the ethiopian armenians are a great reference for western armenian. I also believe that there is a subtle distinction in all the western armenian letters but to who learn western armenian informally we may blur the թդ հյ ջչ ձց etc. The formally educated don't seem to do that with their western armenian (to my ear).

Depends on where your family is from exactly (what region of Turkey or what country) your family is from, like some English speakers pronounce which and witch differently depending on where they're from

Yup, pretty ignorant for a calcutta հայ։ An embarrassment to Katchig the calcutta orphan who surveyed the sight which is today the port of hong kong. he needed a place to export his steel and ended up establishing one of the major sea ports in the world. his home mansion was later donated to the hong kong government.

Avatar Jester well western is simpler, the way u pronounce it, u write it.

I am a western speaker. i have to agree that caucasian armenian is the formally simplified form although the pronunciation is harder for non caucasian armenian speakers. most in the diaspora speak արեվմտյան հայերեն so eastern is harder to pronounce and the words are longer. western might be harder to conjugate verbs bc there are more forms to learn (similar to spanish). western armenian has an easier flow

Also i believe that the reform of caucasian armenian was done by lazarian school before the 1920s. maybe the date1920s is of when the first independent state of armenian formally adopts caucasian armenian as their national language. the historical populations that spoke western armenian were killed/displaced in genocide during the turkish expulsion of christians. western armenian went from majority to almost extinct. i can understand both dialects but in honor of those victims of genocide i choose to strengthen and expand my արեվմտյան հայերեն

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