I once had a tarot reading, a lot of stuff came true unexpectedly (whether or not that was predicted is not the point) my friend at the time once said to me “that doesn’t mean it was predicted”, fair enough, but I asserted, and still assert, that there’s no such thing as magic, but the right place at the right time, for the right reason. She may have been trained to transmute poison, but the fact that she could do it and was there to do it in the first place was no accident. Same with Paul, they say he’s not the Lisan Al Gaib, yet everything that happens up to his decision is completely outside of Paul’s control and creates the pre-requisite for the events that follow after, which is exactly what was predicted would happen, was it not fate?

she a thinkin of the pickle... no need no explanations

Spoiler: yes, paul was in fact the lisan al gaib

Other people already mentioned that the whole Lisan Al Gaib prophecy was planted by BG sisters. So it ultimately is a pointless question. I think it's far more important that people ***believed*** he was. And that, that has power

I think the 'changing shot' has been so done in one particular context that you have to work extra hard do divert it from that context. while your analysis is probably the intension, the director did not put in the work needed or did not consider the audience fully. then again, I have no idea how you would change the perspective to fix this

While the Lisan al Gaib was a contingency placed by the Bene Gesserit, religion in general is also a fiction many people use as a safety net.

Part two had such unnecessary tension between them, in the book deeply love each other and Chani supports him 100%, much like how Duke Leto loved Jessica, they have each others backs against everyone... Chani kills Paul's challengers right outside their tent and he gets upset that she risks his life for him. She believes in him even more than Stilgar. Literally the only thing in the universe that keeping him sane and his mind held together.

Name of music?

I say it. All religious people have been manipulated

Great Love Story. I want Dune 3 to be a Love story for ages. Zendaya and Timothée have on and off screen chemistry. They both like each other but maybe someday she will admit her feelings for him.

I love it❤

I love the scene when Chani is teaching Paul about wind traps and he just stares at her, that’s when their love became believable for me ❤

Yes, before you believe in a religion, study and think hard about it. Only then Follow it , dont just inherit the religion from your family God has given us brains to think.

This is beautiful, I've been thinking about it for the past two days nonstop

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Crying in the club rn

Paul yelling "CHANI" gets me every time.

For me my issue is that it uses Islamic terminology, the theme cautionary messianic figure doesn't sit well with me. Is the use of Islam here aesthetic purpose or does he have a commentary on Islamic eschatology? If it is commentary then he has misrepresented the Islamic idea of the messiah. Firstly Islamic Messiah is Jesus and the Mahdi is leader that will come and welcome the return of Jesus. And within eschatology as we approach it there will be many false messiahs and taught not to be fooled by them. People are not manipulated not because of if but through it, when you are desperate you will cling on to any hope. So if someone were to come and make claims of being the Mahdi and speak about things that are not in accordance to the religion he will be rejected because the religion is already completed they do not have a say in the matter. The concept of the Anti-christ is The false messiah, is not a foreign concept to Muslim. So this cautionary tale is already within the faith, the input that dune provides are not that relevant to Muslim beliefs. what made it not sit well with is because people will come out of it (Dune), Religion is false because they believe in messianic figure and use it to manipulate people. Rather than, when a people is desperate and have grand narratives about themselves people that seek power will use those narrative to fit their own agendas. It just happens Religion have grander narratives compare to atheistic/secular narratives (Nationalism, race) which gives it the potency to influence. So just because you are atheist or secular doesn't mean you will not fall for false mesiahs.

Stilgar went from a nameless desert chief to probably etching his name in history by conquering whole planets.

Keep up the dune content my boy 👊

I was under the impression that the prophecy was real when Chaney (I forget how her names spelled) revived Paul by placing her tears on him. Up until this point, Paul hadn't done anything miraculous, and him drinking the piss that no man had survived is one thing, maybe because he's the kwisatz haderach (guessing spelling) that let him do that, but even if his body had the capacity to survive it, why would it only be revived when the tears of someone (NAMED AFTER THE PROPHECY) were placed on his lips? That seemed supernatural to me.

Great analysis and commentary. Thank you

The interesting thing about jesus is that he not only came. But preached love. Not war

The truth is there’s little difference from prophecy and probability. If u have a chance to save ur race from extinction through manipulation u do it. The living can protest but the dead cant

i've heard a lot that the whole lisan al gaib prophecies was fake and made by bene gesserite. But what if, the prophecies that made by the religions are real, and bene gesserite is one of the subject that somehow already determined to become the successor of the prophecies itself?

If someone is able to fulfill the prophecy and make Arrakis a paradise then they truly are the "Mahdi".

Excellent analysis!

If anyone has to ask if the Lisan Al-Gaib is real, then they didn't understand the story. 🥲

Sort of the wrong question: Paul could never have been the Lisan Al-Gaib because the Lisan Al-Gaib is a totally fabricated myth with the express purpose of manipulating the Fremen. What he actually was -- what it was about him that truely substantiated his claims to embody the myth -- was his breeding as the Kwisatz Haderach.

The name ‘Paul’ from a outer world may referencing the roman citizen Paul. These reference make everyone re-think about the history of the popular religious.

i liked the old movie better where Messiah status was not in any doubt whatsoever and chani knew her place. In this version we are talking as if the Messiah isnt the master of the most powerful force ever encountered by the Bene Geserit the TRUE POWER. Its not something unreal. Also who told you the dominant religion would be Christianity? Maybe in the 80s. Islam is the most adhered religion today.

It's a nod to Incendies (2010) by the same director HAHAHA

All religous have been manipulated. Sometimes for the better, but they have still been manipulated.

This is a really well made video btw, learnt a lot of new information about this epic movie, keep up the good vids bro I'll be here 🫡

The universe will end for mankind unless it follows the golden path. Pual is the beginning of that path, so Pual is HIM. A false prophet or false Messiah can only be false if he isn't who he actually is. Pual is the guy even though he's reluctant to be because what he has to do is awful. So technically Stilghar is right and his faith is properly placed. Those things have to happen for humanity to continue, so it isn't a cautionary tale. It's the story of the savior of humanity. Great video btw.

I think the discussion isn't whether or not Paul is a messiah, or whether or not he is the Lisan Al-Gaib.... but the danger of messiahs and religious fanaticism in general. The proof is in the action and results. A false messiah uses trickery or other means to make it seem like they fulfill existing prophecies. This is flipped in Dune. He is a true messiah of a false purpose. If a deity lays a plan and puts seeds through religion into a culture, they're called prophets, laying the way for a messiah. The stories are planted. It's hope force fed to people, just like what the Bene Gesserit did. By having prophecies fulfilled, it builds faith in said deity. The proof is in the fulfillment of the so called prophecies, not how those prophecies were laid. So, sisterhood (with superhuman abilities already, near deity level manipulation of the entirety of humanity) or god, it doesn't matter. Prophets were sent, prophecies were made, and they were fulfilled. Paul IS a messiah. The mistake is assuming a messiah is a good thing. Many real life religious messiahs also bring peace for a group but war and death for a great deal of people. Yes, Paul did not reach the pinnacle of "godhood" that the sisters were originally after. But the proof is in the results. He freed the Fremen, and Arrakis bloomed again.

Tis a Cautionary tale of White Saviourism? The Road to hell is paved by good intentions

I don't care what you believe: I believe!

Also remember, before his father died, (Leto) and Jessica had a conversation. He said, "Will you protect Paul?" She said "Of course I love my son" and Lto said, "No, I'm speaking to you as a Jesuit Mother! and she hesitated. She would have to end him if it meant protecting the reverend mothers. It seemed to me that they are also a bit telepathic so she doesn't want Paul to figure out what she's thinking. He already scinced that she's pregnant and that the mothers don't want him to drink the Water of life.

Dune is truly a cautionary tale.

cool vid but the way you use you deliver information and use your hands makes me upset, i know you have a lisp but don't let that affect your body language! be confident bro

No, he’s a very naughty boy!

I think in the movie where Paul is the messiah to bring the Fremen people to paradise, there is an implied meaning that Paul will take them to a place where there will be so much water that they can swim in it. Denoting the belief that if you follow Paul, water will be so plentiful that you can waste it to your heart content.

I’m a long time fan of the novels and know the story well. I was not expecting the emotional response that came over me at “lead them to paradise.” Dune 2 surpassed everything I hoped this adaptation would be. Masterpiece.

Dude, humans are torn apart debating whether or not our own Lisan al-Gaibs are real. I don't think we stomach a debate about Paul Atreides' nature lol. Just kidding. Nice job giving voice to what a lot of people are wondering.

We shouldn't probably even wonder if Lisan al-Gaib was real as his arrival was a story planted by Bene Gesserit centuries before Paul. So Lisan al-Gaib was always a fake. A legend prepared to help Bene Gesserit in the future.

i loved what you mentioned about how the fremen treated the harkonnens in the beginning vs. end of the movie. there is a very obvious water vs. fire motif in the fremen vs. harkonnen ways, so to see them become harkonnens like paul encouraged is heartbreaking. i’ve seen it 3 times in theaters and it only gets more layered the more i watch! great analysis.

Awesome video, Kyle! Dune is the "gesamkunstwerk" - the "total work of art."🙏🎨

I was so curious going in to Part Two if this theme would get written out of the movie, but Denise nailed it!

Beautifully explained. Denis and all the people involved in the movie did such a good job of portraying this idea of Frank Herbert. I can't get enough of this movie. What a time to be alive!! Loved the video! I hope you have more of these coming ;)