I would do one conversion at age 62 then carefully determine when and how large a conversion you want to make to not cost you too much when you begin Medicare. Medicare uses your income amount two years before you begin to establish your Part B monthly bill. Pay attention to the various income limits for Medicare costs.
@1dash1336 күн бұрын
Great discussion, you hit all the high points. However, I'm not sure how much penetration you got into the general audience. Seems like it's a case of "preaching to the choir". Those who are familiar with the ins and outs of traditional IRAs, Roth IRAs, marginal tax brackets, Medicare and IRMAA will be the ones who benefit the most from your video - but their base knowledge was already pretty good. For those who are not familiar with these factors, your video may perk their interest - but won't actually add to their knowledge of the subject, because all of the financial connections are over their head. Biggest omission is a lesson on accounting: Roth growth post-tax vs. Traditional growth pre-tax. IMO, over half your audience (maybe 3/4 of your audience) doesn't understand the basic math behind their growth. A x B x C = A x C x B. Always. Every time. Substitute $Investment for A, Interest rate for B, and Tax factor for C and this models Traditional investment vs. Roth investment. A x B = ($Investment x Interest rate) = Your IRA fund total after investment time period, before taxes. A x B x C = ($Investment x Interest rate) x Tax factor = Your IRA fund total after investment time period, after taxes. A x C = ($Investment x Tax factor) = Your Roth fund starting value, after taxes. A x C x B = ($Investment x Tax factor) x Interest rate = Your Roth fund total after taxes, after investment time period. No matter how much you invest, no matter how much interest rates fluctuate and no matter how long a time period they are invested, the two funds will grow and end up being equal provided the same interest rates are applied to both accounts AND PROVIDED THE SAME TAX FACTOR is applied to both accounts. The tax factor is the one variable that is least likely to remain constant over the life of each investment account. Therein starts the discussion of tax brackets and the advantages/disadvantages of Traditional vs. Roth accounts. Such discussion starts AFTER understanding that basic financial mechanics are the same. If we didn't artificially introduce tax brackets and IRMAA limits, and if government didn't dictate RMDs for one type of account and not the other, then there wouldn't be a difference between the two types of accounts.
@miyukishouse46478 күн бұрын
Thank you always for helpful podcast. Scott’s topic is always something I am wondering about. Thank you!!
@Krunch20208 күн бұрын
The actuarial tables for a couple show increased risk of one spouse dying is very high and then the value of the Roth conversion is multiplied. The taxes on a single person with this size portfolio are very high.
@passion4vintage55911 күн бұрын
Quesion: for employee 401k under distribution detail page, what does it Mean on Termination claim along the issue date, the gross amount, defaulted amount? Its transamerica. Does that mean they gave me the money? I have not got anything and my 401k is showing $0 balance. Idk whats happening.
@jonscrivner908713 күн бұрын
Do roth conversions before you begin SS benefits. Use IRA funds to fund your retirement to postpone starting SS benefits and increase the benefit while lessening the balance in your deferred account.
@patfromamboy14 күн бұрын
I am 62 and have been retired for 6 years. I have a pension and I began to draw my Social Security and I inherited some money from my mom when she passed away so I don’t need to use my 401k to survive. It made 46% last year and 29% so far this year which seems crazy. It seems like a pyramid scheme sometimes so I get scared and take it out sometimes. I have 500,000 which can earn money quickly. I owe 79,000 on my house at 4%. I feel that I should continue to make money on the money I would use to pay it off. I don’t have consumer debt. No car payment. What should I do?
@jpravago16 күн бұрын
How would you know the future tax brackets?
@missouri601420 күн бұрын
Great advice, especially on the wheels of trust and power of attorney. Things of that nature because those are things that you do it when the kids are young but when you’re an empty nester, you need to update.
@damon-burton21 күн бұрын
This is a great reminder of the importance of regularly reviewing and adjusting your retirement plan. It's crucial to stay adaptable.
@lindsaynewell631922 күн бұрын
This was a useful tutorial until the statement at 9:42 which is absolute BS. Feel free to reply below with details of a Roth conversion example where someone's medicare premiums could "go up by hundreds of thousands of dollars".
@just-to-be-clear19 күн бұрын
I think he said "hundreds or thousands" not "hundreds of thousands"
@RetardedSissyКүн бұрын
Example: For MAGI 500,000 part B monthly premium is $594. ($420 higher than the lowest premium). That's $5040/year. So you pull that additional $5040 yearly out of your, let's say, 8% investments. After 20 years of pulling the extra $5040 your opportunity cost/loss is $254,000.
@samanthamile639122 күн бұрын
who can afford to put 30K away out of 100K
@Theodore-tu5zg25 күн бұрын
I think a lot of us focus on building our retirement fund, but tax planning can make a huge difference once you actually start drawing from it. I’ve heard of people who end up with way less than they expected just because they didn’t plan for taxes properly
@Kseniaramesh25 күн бұрын
I’m trying to figure out the best way to avoid that myself. The last thing I want is to lose a big chunk to taxes every year
@Ismatkhimani26 күн бұрын
IRA can double every 7.2 years at 10% return so $200,000 can become $800k in 20 years So it may make sense to start converting when your income is down or have business losses because u may end up paying. More
@poolmilethirty285928 күн бұрын
Thank you. It would help to see the graph in full.screen as one listens to your explanation of ot.
@dads451428 күн бұрын
As with many videos on retirement, the "buy a new car" spike causes an unnecessary distraction. If you want a new car with cost C every X years, don't input C as an expense every X years (resulting in spikes), input annual cost of C / X, e.g. if you want a $42k car every 6 years, don't input $42k expense every 6 years, input an annual expense (i.e. expense accrual) of $42k / 6 = $7k expense annually; and Yes, this means pulling C / X out of your taxable account each year to smooth the tax accrual.
@user-js4ez2yz9b29 күн бұрын
If i retire at 50 and start to do convert 401k to Roth. Will the 10% penalty apply? Is it considered early withdraw?
@NJBKATL25 күн бұрын
No, it's a conversion you'll only be subjected to a 10% penalty if you withdraw that converted money from the Roth account before 5 year conversion window.
@kersting1329 күн бұрын
Wouldn't the best "timing" strategy be to do say 90% of your conversion at the beginning of the year, and then "true up" to a final amount near the end of the year? You can do as many Roth conversions during the year as you like, can't you? Converting later in the year isn't as good as doing it earlier (assuming your account is growing).
@Brins-g2k27 күн бұрын
I believe his concern is that early conversions drive the need to do estimated tax payments; if you calculate these payments incorrectly and fail to pay enough then the IRS will penalize you thus driving up your costs; whereas a later conversion can still be paid off using normal tax filing processes with less drawbacks
@kersting1327 күн бұрын
@@Brins-g2k I don't get that as his concern at all, and you've got to make your estimated tax payment no matter when you do your conversion. It seemed to me his only concern was knowing exactly how much to convert. I'm saying that the whole point of doing a conversion is to move money from the trad to the Roth, and if you allow the trad to grow for 10 more months, it could wipe out the entire reason for doing the conversion. Doing conversions late in the year is like starting your conversions a year later than you should.
@Brins-g2k27 күн бұрын
@@kersting13 I agree if you are doing back-door Roth conversion of your IRA; but for some reason I was thinking converting your 401K funds. My mistake
@darrelgrove530422 күн бұрын
Completely agree! If you’re converting $100k of assets earning 7% and you do it in early January you really moved $107k but only paid the tax on $100k. It keeps the $7k out of your IRA (on which your will pay tax on later) and moved it tax free into Roth.
@CarmenGarcia-bu3soАй бұрын
U cant use your money the way you want too, I end paying last year 7,0000...next year probably 50000 IRS. I USED IT AND STILL USING IT,, I WILL DIE ONE DAY. I TRAVEL NOW
@carlhyman5540Ай бұрын
I'm in the position of having a significant amount in traditional IRA'S. My only realistic option is to pay the taxes from the conversion, but how would I know if it's beneficial
@kersting1329 күн бұрын
You know it's beneficial if you're paying taxes at a lower rate on the conversion than you will be at withdrawal. That's ALWAYS the way to know whether it's beneficial to do a conversion. Where it gets complicated is the fact that you can't definitively predict the future. If you KNOW you'll have very large RMDs in the future that will push you into higher tax brackets, and you can convert now with lower brackets, it *should* be beneficial. It's just MORE beneficial if you can pay taxes from outside accounts.
@matney12Ай бұрын
Good morning, does your standard deduction reduce the amount of your Roth conversion? I have no income, so I’m wondering if I convert up to the standard deduction if that means I pay zero tax
@LarryO1022Ай бұрын
Yes, the Roth conversion amount is treated as income on your 1040. With no other income, your standard deduction will reduce this amount by the amount of your standard deduction. Any Roth conversion in excess of your standard deduction will trigger tax
@SicilyJoАй бұрын
Sir, your explanation is the cleanest, clearest, comprehensive,and most concise explanation I have experienced over viewing many videos from other financial experts on KZbin. Thank you! You are appreciated!
@PrincessLolly113 күн бұрын
Root Financial, podcast with James Conole, is another well-reasoned (not flashy) CFP channel I follow.
@RAA-ud2llАй бұрын
Great show. thanks
@jackrothaus2816Ай бұрын
We are almost certain of a 22 percent cut in SS benefits in about 10 years when the SS Trust Fund runs out of money. This changes the break even age by a few years. Why is this not considered?
@bennguyen1313Ай бұрын
My employer automatically withdraws a percentage every paycheck, in order to reach the yearly limit ($23k 2023).. but I'd like to change that to add the $7.5k catch-up. How difficult is it to change.. or is it HR specific? But say you will turn 50 on December 31, 2023, then how/when should you add the extra catch up amount for 2023.. or do you have to be 50 for the full calendar year in order to be eligible (i.e. 2024)?
@PapaD104Ай бұрын
The title states "Retiring at 62" then your math at 18:00 talks about a bigger pull from savings if he claims Social Security at 62 vice waiting to claim. This appears to also assume he will continue working. If he in is not working, and does not claim Social Security, that will be the bigger draw on his savings. Of course continuing to work longer makes your money last longer. Am I missing something?
@andre1987ephАй бұрын
If you're subject to WEF, age 70 is the ONLY logical solution
@muth1997Ай бұрын
the answer isn't "what gives the most money" the time value of money needs to be accounted for, in other words, money gained in ones 60s is likely much more valuable than money in their 80s. when you consider this, and the memories which can be made by having the money in the youth of your golden years it's clear that drawing early is more "valuable"
@JB-fq9dpАй бұрын
I'm claiming SS @ 62, I don't trust the gov to watch out money.
@phsx2890Ай бұрын
My income is ok but my spouse income is none for many years . Can she still claim for half of mine and I still get 100 percent
@Mikevdog8 күн бұрын
Yes. She gets half after you claim. Before that, she gets hers. She gets the max of yours if she claims at her FRA
@brindacockburn4033Ай бұрын
Social security?
@LASLOEGRIАй бұрын
Ten minutes of excellent points diluted to 30 minutes of vamping, filler feel good empty phrases, “let’s keep this simple..” delaying the topics. Too tedious to watch. Use the chapters feature to reduce the filler.
@came7494Ай бұрын
Question: I have huge gains above basis in my 401k. If I roll it to an IRA, I have to realize those gains, be out of the market while check is sent and then I’ll have to reinvest at a much higher basis in a limo sum. Is this a concern? Is there a way to avoid this like an-kind 401k to IRA rollover?
@cjmountian367Ай бұрын
Get to the point dude.
@barrybird5070Ай бұрын
Pay for Roth conversions with RMD
@missouri60142 ай бұрын
Solutions, please for this scenario
@keithmachado-pp6fv2 ай бұрын
On the appeal for retirement you said they might adjust. Is it not automatic if you are below the limit due to retirement?
@keithmachado-pp6fv2 ай бұрын
Good video. On item 4 if you just withdraw from your IRA to spend you get the same IRMAA benefit with or without conversion to Roth.
@SicilyJo2 ай бұрын
Very worthwhile watch. Your explanations are super clear. Appreciated!
@721512 ай бұрын
Pretty sure when I’m 70, I’m not going to have a desire to do the things I want to do when I’m 60.
@SicilyJo2 ай бұрын
This was an excellent presentation. So on target these 2 scenarios. Thank you!
@BobBell-f4i2 ай бұрын
Congratulations!
@damon-burton2 ай бұрын
Incredibly informative. I was particularly surprised to learn about the potential tax surprise that many people are unaware of. It's a great reminder of the importance of understanding the nuances of these retirement plans.
@bman65022 ай бұрын
I have an annuity that structured the same as SS.. even though I’m still working at 62, I started taking it this year.. it pays me $3k per mth for life.. if I waited until 65, it would have paid me $3.4/mth.. but I wanted to start enjoying that extra money now, as I’m using it to get my house ready for retirement yrs… so u do t get hit with big home repairs once I retire, plus nice vacations
@madvin38812 ай бұрын
But the money you put into the annuity you will never see again. Also value of 3000 today will be greatly reduced 10 years down the road
@nulldude7822 ай бұрын
The government is desperate for you to delay SS and to keep paying in and work til the day you die. 63 for me.
@ThomasReedy-j6u2 ай бұрын
Checking and savings have already been taxed. So I don’t understand why they are in a taxable bucket. They can be used without additional income tax. Taxable may generate tax by dividends or selling. Dividends and selling will be taxed a lot less than tax deferred. They would not be considered ordinary income so those taxes aren’t even measured on the same scale. Essentially, if you aren’t working, either draw from tax deferred or roll it over to a Roth up to your projected tax bracket… or to your future needs if you are pre59.5 and will need the money in 5 years. Also consider your tax bracket and aca subsidies for health insurance.
@dudleybrown70302 ай бұрын
You used “Recognized gains” repeatedly. Did you mean “realized”?
@GraceAure-kr3eu2 ай бұрын
It all depends to every person about their financial standing whether retiring @ 62 or 67. Always have something for rainy season.God bless
@rickb52752 ай бұрын
If taxes stay the same it doesn’t make sense to do a Roth conversion? It’s the growth of the money over time that gives most folks large tax bills not their contributions. 4 doubles = 35-40 years of growth…. 1. Double 200k you get 400k 2. Double 400k you get 800k 3. Double 800k you get 1.6m 4. Double 1.6m you get 3.2m I’d much rather convert 200k in Roth even if tax brackets decreased in the future rather than leave it in traditional. All that being said if I can afford to convert and pay the tax bill today. It’s almost always better to convert. I don’t understand how “experts” can’t understand the entire problem