God as Emergent Potential
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@WicksKE
@WicksKE 2 күн бұрын
I’m sure you’ll get to it but I just feel like this is something I need to get out: trans identity, non-binary identity does not erase cis identity. For me, it is a vindication of something that gives me meaning in my life, my masculinity. For trans and non-binary people, this is something equally fundamental to who they are. We need not feel threatened but, in fact, validated in the importance of who we are through witnessing of the importance of gender to these people who are saying that our categories don’t work for them.
@James-ll3jb
@James-ll3jb 2 күн бұрын
Fraud. Debunked. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3nXp4d9lrWtfJY
@James-ll3jb
@James-ll3jb 2 күн бұрын
The Freke/Gandy theses proposed in his "Jesus Mysteries" has been utterly debunked. Pure boolshytter! A classic arse.
@James-ll3jb
@James-ll3jb 2 күн бұрын
My b.s. detector meter is fluxing wildly!
@James-ll3jb
@James-ll3jb 2 күн бұрын
...I feel like I'm in a sophomore dormroom with a guy who's just done 3 bong hits!!! Lol.
@James-ll3jb
@James-ll3jb 2 күн бұрын
Yipes! What a misreading of the medieval mind! Should have read Lewis' "The Discarded Image"!
@James-ll3jb
@James-ll3jb 2 күн бұрын
He's wrong. There is nothing intrinsically 'irrational' about the narratives as narratices per se. It's all modernism/naturalism. I don't see how he's qualifjed to pronounce obiter dicta on what constitutes "metamodern christianity"
@James-ll3jb
@James-ll3jb 2 күн бұрын
3 minutes in and already the allAmerican wordsalad is nearly unendurable.....
@rochus7486
@rochus7486 3 күн бұрын
Very interesting episode but I would recommend everybody to watch "A Critique of Stephen Hicks' "Explaining Post-Modernism"" by CCK Philosophy. There are many reasons to be very critical with Hicks.
@michaelgarfield
@michaelgarfield 5 күн бұрын
Thank God for Bonnie. It is good to hear someone who remembers what this stuff was like 20 years ago and thinks in terms of diaspora and doesn’t suffer fools and has a clear sense of what is and isn’t radical.
@michaelgarfield
@michaelgarfield 5 күн бұрын
Not that I agree with everything you’re saying, Bonnie. 😂
@SacraTessan
@SacraTessan 7 күн бұрын
Ok I think I get what you two are talking about..after some earlier hesitation and😂 resistance 😇✨️
@nicklaurence318
@nicklaurence318 7 күн бұрын
Thanks for having and sharing this conversation 🙏. I wonder if either of you have come across Cynthia Bourgeault's work, particularly on the Trinity, which describes within a larger (Gurdjieffian) framework how the trinity is continually participating in the creative unfolding of reality. Would be interested in your thoughts on it, it seems to me quite similar to how you're describing the trinity's ongoing and complexifying involvement in creation Jordan. And she speaks directly to that concern you talked about at the end Brendan, of the wobbles that can ripple out from a distortion in the source code/map, how that can self-correct if we understand the trinity within this larger framework she describes.
@RandyAndy7373
@RandyAndy7373 7 күн бұрын
I think it was Spinoza saying, that everyone only has as much right as he has might. How much better we would live if it were the opposite. People will always stick to power, the majority is what they want to be a part of. To speak truth and therefor being attacked by others is not the most common characteristic of men. H. Kueng once stated, when asked about the witches being burnt by Protestants and Catholic Church in the M. Ages, that they all knew its not jesuanic. Yet they took joy to be on the side of the powerful and part of the (evil) majority. Then even killing innocent is ok. I am not a follower of Hobbes and Schopenhauer. Yet any questions on the brains of humans?😢
@RandyAndy7373
@RandyAndy7373 7 күн бұрын
I loved it❤. Two things in special. Thomas read H. Kueng, a man that has more relgious and philosophical power than most of what I experience on KZbin, including B. Ehrman. Also the matter of certainty. Its not on the offer Thomas stated rightlx. If only 250 years after Kant and Humes people would get that one fact. There is no certainty!! The other person might be right😮 It seems most Christians always know better. Their ego is not strong enough to endure reality, they rather live their little lies and impose it on others. The less they know the more certain they are (B. Russel thought this to be one of the biggest problems for humanity). Good luck within the 30.000 different kind of Christianities🎉😂
@thomasgrasha
@thomasgrasha 8 күн бұрын
@10:26 This is, in fact, the modernist position that he is attributing to the pre-modern thinkers. The pre-modern thinkers started with the senses, especially Aristotle. Descartes, arguably the first modern philosopher, was the one who advocated starting from non-sensory 'data'. Kant elaborated this to the point that all sensory data, the world of things, was unknowable. This is why meta-modernism will go nowhere. It perpetuates the errors of both modernism and post-modernism while purporting to be something new. The Moscow-Tartu and Peircean schools of semiotics have done a lot of important research on this subject but the so-called meta-modernists are apparently completely unaware, still drowning in a pool of hyper-modern solipsism and historical ignorance.
@richardyates7280
@richardyates7280 9 күн бұрын
To the best of my knowledge, the pre-modern Aristotelian tradition does not start with the divine and derive everything from that. Maybe what the professor says applies more to the Platonic strand of thought. In demonstrating by reason that God exists, Aquinas starts from the natural world.
@johnbrown4568
@johnbrown4568 9 күн бұрын
Thank you for presenting this information
@johnbrown4568
@johnbrown4568 11 күн бұрын
Thank you for posting this interview with Dr. Hicks, who certainly ranks among the top scholars in the realm of critique of postmodernism.
@alanfarquharhill
@alanfarquharhill 10 күн бұрын
That is actually quite arguable.
@dougsmith8430
@dougsmith8430 2 күн бұрын
The left hates the fact that Hicks draws a comparison and the analogies directly with what was happening in Europe, particularly in the Weimar Republic in the 30s, and what’s happening with these doofus so called ‘students’ on campuses today in the 2020s. Get over it all you idiots, Hicks nails it!
@PhilGribbon
@PhilGribbon 12 күн бұрын
Y'all might like to have a look at Senua, a goddess worshipped in England until beaten out of history circa 3-4th C, forgotten til uncovered in Ashwell 2002. She filled my imagination: in a more reflexive-processing timeline, could the British have exported a more right-brained sensitivity? As IIIΞ recreate the State every moment; Birth anew IIIΞIIIΞ?
@henrikkugel
@henrikkugel 13 күн бұрын
I like the content but HATE the music, its kind of making this video… postmodern.
@Carlos.Explains
@Carlos.Explains 13 күн бұрын
HIGHLY recommend this for everyone! I spent a week at Sky Meadow a few months ago and it was an incredible experience. Absolutely magical. ❤
@shanegfenwick
@shanegfenwick 14 күн бұрын
Great conversation lads.
@MaidenMonster
@MaidenMonster 14 күн бұрын
This conversation is calling to mind the book The Alphabet and the Goddess
@MaidenMonster
@MaidenMonster 14 күн бұрын
Oh yes it’s mentioned ☺️
@BrendanGrahamDempsey
@BrendanGrahamDempsey 14 күн бұрын
@@MaidenMonster I was gonna say, Just wait for it! :)
@alanfarquharhill
@alanfarquharhill 16 күн бұрын
Whilst obv it's up to Brendan who he invites, I looked to see if there was an equivalent figure from the pro-postmodernist side and I didn't really see that. Just something I noticed.
@BrendanGrahamDempsey
@BrendanGrahamDempsey 15 күн бұрын
I tried to be that figure in this conversation. Have had on guests more pro-postmodern than anti, though, for sure. James Cussen, Jason Storm, Sophie Strand, Jeremy Johnson. Have any recs?
@alanfarquharhill
@alanfarquharhill 15 күн бұрын
@@BrendanGrahamDempsey You probably can get an inkling of my thoughts on that. I can think of some people who wouldn't agree with Jason Storm as pro-postmodern! I am thinking the Pill Pod guys. Obviously you have had metamodernists on the show, all of whom would, I imagine, claim to have integrated postmodernism or, perhaps more impressively, humbly aspire to do so. My point, I think it was clear, is that you have invited on a guest whose entire project is anti-postmodern (edit: appears to be full-blown Randian erm wow) and really didn't say anything he wouldn't have said elsewhere. With all charity to the people you have mentioned, they are not equivalent figures from the other side. I appreciate you have to get the people to actually come on, but 'postmodernists won't come on my show!!' sounds a bit Dave Rubin, as uncharitable as I appreciate that might come across! So hopefully you wo'nt play that card. It's early and I am writing on my phone before I attend to other things, so regret if this is too sharp but this is what I have the time to produce rn.
@dellh86
@dellh86 18 күн бұрын
Great video, but I think the term metamodernism is being used more out of a desire to assign a new literary movement than an awareness of a new literary movement emerging. Does metamoderninsm differ from postmodernism in any of it's mechanics(I am speaking specifically with regard to literature)? I don't think having a positive instead of negative message is enough to justify a new movement, especially when many postmodern works are aware of there own severity and will occassionally admit some kind of sincerity. I fail to see how Pynchon(postmodern) differs categorically from DFW(metamodern). If we are in this new movement, it must be in the really early stages. I understand that Joyce and Nabakov are authors that define the passing of the baton from modernism to postmodernism, and so the distinction between those two types of literature is murky with them. Is there some more overtly metamodern works that have come out since Infinite Jest?
@adamjensen7206
@adamjensen7206 19 күн бұрын
Beautiful
@brendantannam499
@brendantannam499 19 күн бұрын
I think the bottom line for metamodern Christianity is the group of principles attributed to Christ. There is good reason to acknowledge the debt of Christianity to earlier belief systems but time and literature have managed to crystallise these principles in the modern mind. So what should we whittle the literature about Christ down to so that we extract the gold from the dross? I’m assuming the doctrine surrounding Christ is the dross. Let’s adopt ‘love your neighbour as yourself’ and abandon the ‘lake of fire’. Let’s agree to be meek and hope to inherit the earth? Maybe not! Let’s kumbaya in metamodern Christian communities or go the way of Nietzsche’s lonely uberman. I guess even Parzival was a lonely soul as he refined his soul along the road less travelled. Metamodern Christianity is open to much criticism as it ‘pretends’ to supersede the literature and liturgy of its mainstream predecessor. Some might like it as ‘the religion without religion’ and I think this concept of believers bonding around an idea that rejects bonding is where the concept falls down. Anyway, I’m going to keep my eye on this new Christianity and see what develops.
@Zirrad1
@Zirrad1 20 күн бұрын
50 minutes in and there's no meat. No there there (if we're going to invoke the Budda). Science is mentioned, but not demonstrated: only motivated reasoning, circular justification, and hopeful hypothesis. Does the book have any answers? 1:10 in and still nothing. 1:20 - It's inter-subjectivity and concilience. 1:25 - deepity, deepity, deepity. I tried but I'm done. Perhaps the 20% of the people that better understand quantum physics dislike the book? How about somebody who understands Godel? It's not the limiter you think it is. You know those truths you think you can't reach? Choose another set of axioms and increase the coverage of the truth space. Mathematicians do this all the time - even with just arithmetic. They've accepted incompleteness and moved on. No metaphysics required. (Plus it only applies to formal systems)
@alykathryn
@alykathryn 19 күн бұрын
"You know those truths you can't reach? Choose another axiom set and increase your coverage of the truth space." Aren't axioms supposed to be self-evidently true? Is it legitimate to "choose" something else to be a fundamental given truth that we base our system on, the system that is used for determining what is true? What does it say about "truth" If we can change just choose a different set of axioms and thereby alter what we can prove to be true? I guess personally I find these questions to be worth asking and interesting to think about but de gustibus non est disputandum 🤷‍♀️
@Zirrad1
@Zirrad1 19 күн бұрын
@@alykathryn No axioms are not self-evidently true. They are language constructs. There is nothing magical about axioms, the crucial part is "do they work" There is no capital T "Truth" - we have provisional models that more or less correspond to our measurements of reality. Some exist just as neat mathematical toys. Reinmann? geometry was one such intellectual exercise until it was show to be useful in describing space-time effects of mass. You're mistaken in thinking these were chosen as fundamental truths (yes some folk present them as such, and Godel did show you can't have a single set - which pretty much eliminates the notion that there are fundamental truths!!!) The ones you think as fundamental are the ones that have withstood testing and have been shown to be useful and/or predictive. These axioms don't exist as entities on their own - there are squiggles on a page, noises in the air, or patterns of neuronal firing. And if that isn't Zen, I don't know what is!
@Zirrad1
@Zirrad1 19 күн бұрын
@@alykathryn Hi! No, axioms are not self-evidently true - they are assumed, then used to see what follows according to whatever rules have been created for that system. There is no capital "T" truth. Only models that more-or-less correspond to our measurements of reality. Those are the useful ones, those where the disparity is low and/or have predictive power. Ones that don't are discarded, or might be kept around because of interesting mathematical or philosophical properties. Godel demonstrated we can't have just one set of axioms to encompass one formalism (like arithmetic), but we can have overlapping ones that are internally consistent and have overlapping and non-conflicting conclusions. This is the notion of consilience in science, e.g. modern evolutionary theory is consistent from every angle, biology, chemistry, physics, geology and so on. Math abounds with systems that have little practical use, though sometimes they are discovered to be useful. Like Reinmann? geometry (which breaks the axiom that the angles in a triangle must add up to Edit 180… not 360… brain fart) that found a home in describing the effect of mass on space-time IIRC, but also accommodate planar trigonometry if you set the right parameters. That testing against reality, that inter-subjective discipline of the scientific method, is essential because Axioms (logic, math and so on) are not magic, not special, not divine. Axioms are mental constructs - squiggles on paper, noises in the air, patterns of neuronal firing in the brain. And if that's not Zen, I don't know what is! :-D
@Uberrheogenic
@Uberrheogenic 19 күн бұрын
@@Zirrad1 "the angles in a triangle must add up to 360" What?
@Zirrad1
@Zirrad1 19 күн бұрын
@@Uberrheogenic Damn….
@anthonytroia1
@anthonytroia1 20 күн бұрын
"Nothing actually touches; that's what touch-is."
@alykathryn
@alykathryn 20 күн бұрын
What i feel intuitively, for what its worth, is that one of the most important takeaways from Godel theories is that: ultimately logic and reason are, and can only ever be, fundamentally based on intuitions which we have elivated to the stutus of axioms. These assumptions must just be taken as true to get any system of logic up and running, they can never be proven true within the same system, and any other system that can prove the truth of our axioms will need to be based off a new set of assumptions that then we cant prove without... ad infinitum. On the other side, with regards to empiricism and the scientific method. When for starters, we only ever can have access to our own subjetive world, one might question whether we can truly say anything about things in themselves. And then when we get down to the boundaries between where one thing ends and another begins, only to discover that there are no ferm borders between objects, substance based ontology is bankrup, and stacks of complex processes in which we can choose what to define individual at whatever scale we happen to be looking. Again, we are pushed back to intuition on which we are left to ground our decisions. This isnt by any means to say we should get rid of science and rationality, or that they arnt extreamy useful epistemic tools for gaining real knowlage. They are! And intuitions aswell should be viewed as capable, especially in conjunction with these other ways of knowing.
@InterfaceGuhy
@InterfaceGuhy 20 күн бұрын
I felt like a dilettante until I discovered Neil and the Golden Thread. Now I still feel like a dilettante while knowing that I am a polymath.
@billj776
@billj776 20 күн бұрын
I'm a refugee from Catholicism with no spiritual home, but over these 20 odd years have manged to build a hermitage of my own, and forgo community. I imagine if something like Arethion had been around then it may have been a great help. I am glad to see it pop up now as it will fill quite a large void as more and more Christians grow disillusioned with that life, but won't leave unless they have a place to land. But I am curious, where did the term Arethion come from? Is it a made-up word? I don't think I heard that in the discussion.
@ethanjwells
@ethanjwells 21 күн бұрын
Wow, I so appreciate the depth of you and Zak’s understanding in these areas. Thank you Brendan. I would love to see more between you two on these topics. And here’s to the absolutely necessary dream of these ideas giving birth to post postmodern institutions that teach folks to live their sacred vocation! 🙏🏼
@sirrobinofloxley7156
@sirrobinofloxley7156 22 күн бұрын
I'd just got home from Wushu training, which has a central tenet of supernatural, like music, art, those things are supernatural. Mr Freke should try some Wushu training and expand his horizons. And his explanation on the oneness of consciousness is a basic of Buddhist culture, no?
@TimFreke1
@TimFreke1 21 күн бұрын
Thanks for the advice. As it happens I have written a number of books on Buddhism along with most other spiritual traditions. Glad you enjoy Wishu.
@sirrobinofloxley7156
@sirrobinofloxley7156 22 күн бұрын
I think the pivot in the 90"s was the arrest of John Gotti, as depicted in Godfather 2
@mikibellomillo
@mikibellomillo 23 күн бұрын
yass! my conclusion is right! thank you for uploading this video!! God bless you!! 🎉
@Anthropomorphic
@Anthropomorphic 24 күн бұрын
I think Vervaeke might agree. I'm pretty sure I've heard him praise Iamblichus for this exact reason. I think he's also said that the Christian neoplatonists tended to be less "disgusted" than their ancient pagan predecessors, which is why he often prefers people like Boethius over Plotinus. That's my impression of him anyway!
@joshsy5708
@joshsy5708 24 күн бұрын
Wonderfull.. Sir Penrose C3 cones resonated along with electron coupling. Tree of light . Pau D Arco , 4 electrons in the valence. There has to be some form of biological matrixical chirality aligned with the axial homeostasis of the great round, as if on the conformal boundaries. I question the sacred woth bio phyics, photasmically speaking. Such clarity Brendan to the intuition of my pixelated truths from the dark night that has last over a decade.... The cup of which you drink is the quenching to my soul's thirst for air and water in the light of knowledge So many thanks
@joshsy5708
@joshsy5708 24 күн бұрын
Decadence of the wooing young witch's trinkets faded like dew in the dissolution of dopamine currency, integral of instinct under the fig of time where the wavering wake of Nietzsche comes to center- mechanized to degree of suffering. And may the pleasure of destruction to idolatry sway in the transformative light of dissolution. So much I can learn from your realized journey, knowledge and quest!!!?
@hagbardc623
@hagbardc623 24 күн бұрын
This is a great conversation! You guys really hit it off and obviously resonate with each other and it helps parse out these ideas.
@rantetwins527
@rantetwins527 26 күн бұрын
This is summed it on my Omniversal Cycle concept.
@TrojansFirst
@TrojansFirst 26 күн бұрын
You should read a couple of books by Tim Freke and Peter Gandy: "The Jesus Mysteries" and "Jesus and the Lost Goddess." The early Christians understood Jesus as an allegorical myth and when a literalist interpretation of the myths arose later, Rome decided to sanction the literal version and suppress the original.
@BrendanGrahamDempsey
@BrendanGrahamDempsey 26 күн бұрын
I just interviewed Tim Freke on the podcast, actually. As for Jesus as allegorical myth, there is scant evidence to suggest early Christians interpreted the materials in those terms. Allegory became one of the 4 hermeneutic lenses (anagogical), but the literal reading was always original.
@TrojansFirst
@TrojansFirst 26 күн бұрын
@@BrendanGrahamDempsey Oh no, that's not true. You need to read those books. The information has been suppressed.
@TrojansFirst
@TrojansFirst 26 күн бұрын
@@BrendanGrahamDempsey Hey maybe you can have Tim on again and have a discussion about this issue; was Jesus an allegorical myth or an historical person. I would watch that video several times.
@TrojansFirst
@TrojansFirst 26 күн бұрын
Jesus was an allegorical myth.
@deadfdr
@deadfdr 27 күн бұрын
Loving others by prioritizing helping others take their next best step of growth is the ultimate meaning in life, the essence of our Creator and Savior through us.
@tommore3263
@tommore3263 27 күн бұрын
Jonathan Pageau Enlightenment Ideals Aren't Working kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2G5pmqPf9qYiLs
@tommore3263
@tommore3263 27 күн бұрын
The metaphysical foundations of reality, form and matter, essence and existence, have never been refuted and demonstrate the existence of the necessarily existing infinite and transcendent. Why the cosmos is intelligible. Modern science arose from Christian culture. the "head of a pin" trope is very insulting to some of the best minds ever like Aquinas .
@tommore3263
@tommore3263 27 күн бұрын
Did Professor Hicks grow up in a Protestant culture or family? As St Thomas Aquinas said , if something is against reason it is not from God. God is BEING.. We are finite being. And its demonstrable by reason alone as Professors Ed Feser and Peter Kreeft show. The Bishop of Lincoln was the first to articulate the scientific method in the 1200's; Grosstestes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5K2hIapqZh9eNE