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@justinmckibben4534 5 күн бұрын

So fast

@AzerbaijanParagliding 8 күн бұрын

💥💥🪂🪂🪂🪂

@Summitspeedfly 9 күн бұрын

That's not even a cravat. Look at your lines wrapped around each other, that's a line-over and/or complete line fuckup. Pulling stabilo isn't gonna fix that.

@krisztianbudai6009 11 күн бұрын

It's a wonder there wasn't an accident. This is a serious winch operator error! He didn't look at the pilot, he just drove!

@madsloper 13 күн бұрын

Excellent!

@ChrisNoye 21 күн бұрын

Many things could have been done better: 1. Pilot did not check wing sufficiently on the ground (check lines and then quick ground handle recheck lines and lay it down neatly). 2. Pilot did not lay wing out symmetrically. Also hard to tell but was that the best tow strip for the wind direction? 3. Driver was clearly not paying attention at the most critical time of the tow (The first 100m of height). 4. Radio comms didn't appear to be present or pilot was unable to make a "Stop Stop Stop" call. 5. Driver put too much energy (gas) given wing position and direction. 6. Pilot decided to bail at a dangerous height which a reserve throw or induced spiral recovery would have been very unlikely. I either would have bailed right at the start "Stop Stop Stop" or once airborne kept going to a height where I would have had time to see how the wing reacts and either recovery or throw the hanky. Easy to say from an armchair, but in short; height = time = options. Many things done well: 1. Pilot realized wing was not straight, adjusted brake input to correct 2. Pilot didn't panic, tried to pump out the cravat / stablio line input 3. Pilot made a committed decision and stuck with that decision. 4. Landed relatively safely into wind with little more than half a wing flying. Towing is dangerous, the driver must be trained appropriately. I've had close calls from trying to train up non pilots to tow and expecting miracles. Driving in a straight line whilst keep appropriate speed for wind / conditions, whilst also watching the pilot and processing information quick enough to make split second decisions is not easy, then add to that someone who doesn't fly and doesn't recognize poor wing configurations... recipe for disaster. If you find a good tow driver, pay them well, look after them and they will look after you. If you are training a new driver, make sure they get plenty of time in the passenger seat, learning the art of safe towing gradually. Great work landing it safely, thanks for sharing. Safe towing.

22 күн бұрын

I wouldn’t be so sure about the tow operator responsibility. Here in Czechia, it is the pilot who decides to proceed by explicitly saying “start start start” after they perform wing check.

@AceMcMoron Ай бұрын

Pls. don't slowmo the collapse, as it is hard to learn from an edited footage.

@paraglidingSafety Ай бұрын

I would not have breaked because of the risk of spinning the wing, Instead I would have waited to reach 30 m height and realeased

@patrickmichel782 Ай бұрын

Le treuilleur est aveugle ?

@ldigestani Ай бұрын

tow operator error for sure

@johnalexbaker Ай бұрын

Tow operator definitely screwed that up. I hope they learned the lesson!

@paraglidingflorida Ай бұрын

Not really. I'm also a certified tow operator. This was a forward launch without wind. That means that the pilot has to run to raise the wing. The abort decision in this case must be entirely on the pilot. The pilot can stop and the winch will keep exerting pressure, but not so much that it will drag the pilot. I saw the cravat and decided to continue launching because I misjudged how bad it was. I thought it would clear with a simple tap. After being airborne, I appreciate that the operator keeps the pressure constant. In a similar incident, that happened to me some time ago, the operator released the pressure, and that almost stalled my wing because between the drag of the collapsed side and the break on the good side necessary to keep the wing flying straight, the only thing keeping the wing flying was the pressure of the winch.

@johnalexbaker Ай бұрын

@@paraglidingflorida thanks for the reply. I feel that the tow operator should have noticed that there was a cravat and then not added enough pressure to launch. I think it’s important to not add enough pressure to launch until the pilot is running, with a totally open wing overhead. It makes it so that something like this is a total non issue instead of a KZbin video. AB

@patrickmichel782 Ай бұрын

@@paraglidingflorida Si le treuilleur ouvre les yeux il ne tire pas une voile mal gonflée et tu ne décolles pas. Point final

@paraglidingflorida Ай бұрын

@@johnalexbaker He noticed the cravat, and he didn't add pressure. This was a pay-out towing (The winch is on a moving car). Even without added pressure, I was going up unless I stopped my run. Again, in this case, the operator did exactly what works best for these cases. The idea that he should make the decision to abort the launch is flawed. He doesn't have enough information to make that decision correctly. It might seem that aborting at the right time saves the pilot, but aborting without coordinating with the pilot the sudden cessation of pressure is actually worse given the conditions of the wing. Only timing it to be done while still on the ground can be good, and it is almost impossible to time it right just from the car alone. What it is important in these cases is for the pilot to have a radio with a PTT button easily accessible. Mine is on the tip of my finger under my glove. I can talk to the operator without releasing the breaks. The operator knew that I could tell him "abort, abort, abort" if I really needed him to abort. Lacking that, he would do exactly what I expected him to do and what is best in this condition: Keep applying constant pressure. When I tell him that I was going to release, he slowed down releasing the tension slowly and that prevented a surge. You can see that in my way of handling the breaks and the fact that I almost forgot to grab the right brake and correct it when I felt the release of pressure.

@johnalexbaker Ай бұрын

@@paraglidingflorida thanks for responding. Personally I like to pay out tow so that we give enough tension to keep the line off the ground when running, but we don’t add enough tension to launch until after the pilot is running with a clear open wing. I feel it’s way safer, and makes it so that if the wing comes up with a cravat and the pilot does everything they can to launch, they still can’t. In fact they could continue running down the road trying to fix it for as long as they want. If it gets fixed, and they are still running and ready to launch, the operator could dial it up and get the pilot airborne. For anyone else watching that is getting into towing: you don’t have it do it the way shown in the video. Launching with a giant cravat is easily avoidable with the right techniques. I’m also fine moving to a personal conversation if you have any interest. AB

@TheChrisBreyShow Ай бұрын

Lucky day!!

@YankeeinSC1 Ай бұрын

I could feel your anxiety @0:20 !

@paraglidingflorida Ай бұрын

I was stressed because I had another similar incident and at that time the operator released tension due to the problem he saw I had. But releasing tension when I'm putting a lot of break to the flying side to keep flying straight and jerking and pulling lines on the collapsed side to try to clear the knot had the effect of sending the wing into a stall. Fortunately I sensed it and reacted on time, but in the time I gave the glider to recover it turned 180º and put me downwind at low altitude and with a glider I could not turn quickly and still connected to the tow line. I aimed to a tree and that caught me on time and delivered me to the ground without any injury. So, I was remembering all the lessons learned then and hoping I would not make mistakes.

@7up-weee Ай бұрын

Seemed like a good choice to release when you did. I've never done towing - hopefully you never get a cravat again on tow - seems more complicated than a cravat whilst normally flying. With a cravat when not on tow, what is your order (set of steps to carry out) to deal with it? I've got a list I run through in my head before I launch on strong or turbulent days. Doesn't need to be the same list for everyone, but it's good to have one up front because cravats can be a bit disturbing on rough days.

@paraglidingflorida Ай бұрын

On tow, the first thing is controlling the wing and its direction. When launching forward like I did, you must be able to sense if the wing is coming right or slanted. And you should be able to correct any slant without having to see it. That's what I did. Then you check the tips and make your decision to stop or continue. I misjudged the cravat and thought I could clear it with a tap, so I continued running. Once you are airborne, you need to make sure you have enough control on the wing. I checked and between the weight shift and right brake, I could make the wing fly straight and even turn to the right. So, I positioned the wing more to the right of the car before attempting to clear it tapping on the break. If you see too much turning towards the collapsed side, you need to gain enough altitude to do a 360 close to the ground and release then, and prepare for that 360 that will take you to the ground. Some would say that if you have enough control, ride the tow until you have sufficient altitude to release, try to clear once, and if unsuccessful, throw reserve. I didn't even think about throwing reserve. After I was unsuccessful clearing with taps, I tried to search for the Stabilo, but it was limp, and pulling too much on the Stabilo would send me hard to the left wich is not good on tow and much less close to the ground. So, at that point, the options were to communicate with the operator so he would soften the pressure, and I will release doing minimal control until reaching the ground.

@7up-weee Ай бұрын

@@paraglidingflorida Yeah - I'm not sure I want to try towing. But I imagine in Florida you don't have many hill launches. I would have released when you did too. The thing that wouldn't be on my list on tow launch cravats would be any attempt to use the brake on the cravatted side to clear the cravat. Shallow or fast pumping never works and on tow a deep pump and hold would risk a spin. In clear air - which is a completely different situation - my list is this: 1) stop any rotation 2) get a good heading 3) check what kind of cravat (usually they are cloth in front of the lines but occasionally they are cloth through lines or a knot 4) for cloth in front of lines, if it's less than half the wing gone, spin to cravatted side, if it's a monster cravat, stall if I have enough height 5) for cloth through lines, stabilo 6) with knots I've tried big big ears but usually I just have to land and sort it out on the ground. In your case, too low when releasing for most of those cleaning techniques so I'd land carefully with the cravat

@DavidRitchie-tr2rn 29 күн бұрын

@@7up-weee I had a friend in Deerfield Beach that used to use 100 foot rope. Catch people on the beach and ask them to pull him up. Would use the high-rise buildings once he got up there release and he could fly around all day with onshore winds….

@7up-weee 29 күн бұрын

@@DavidRitchie-tr2rnsounds fun 😂

@crancont Ай бұрын

"Up, Centered, Stable, Tips, GO!" This is the mantra we use when towing. Tow tech should never proceed with the tow unless they look back and see the wing "Up, Centered, Stable, and Tips open", otherwise the tow is a No Go before the pilot leaves the ground!! Especially important for the tow tech to monitor this when forward launching in no wind like in the video, because the pilot will not see until the tow has started and the wing is coming up. Tow tech needs to monitor the wing, and not proceed towing the pilot off the ground unless those four are good. I have that mantra laminated and attached to the remote in the tow tech's hand when towing. "Up, Centered, Stable, Tips, GO!"

@johnalexbaker Ай бұрын

Yes exactly this. Give enough pressure to keep the line off the ground when the pilot is running, but only add pressure when everything is perfect. In this case the cravat is super obvious and the tow tech should therefore not launch the pilot. Line tension is up to the tech, not the pilot, and giving enough to fly with a cravat is a mistake, IMO.

@cartoonraccoon2078 19 күн бұрын

"Up, Centered, Stable, Tips? NO!!"

@jamesbrindley4507 Ай бұрын

Very nice save to a dangerous situation

@parapenteencuba8369 Ай бұрын

Súper

@larryholdercoolsolutionsllc Ай бұрын

Awesome job flying it and keeping it under control. That’s was a nasty one. Glad your safe

@MrEvpatoria Ай бұрын

It's gotten so dry. Used to be much greener.

@paraglidingflorida Ай бұрын

I went at the end of their summer. So, it is like that at that time. But green at the end of their winter.

@jbusigin Ай бұрын

Well handled! How was the climb? What are your thoughts about try for more altitude, then trying to pull the cravat when no longer under tow? That looked like a tough cravat though

@MrEvpatoria Ай бұрын

0:58

@jbusigin Ай бұрын

@@MrEvpatoria ah, line-over not cravat

@paraglidingflorida Ай бұрын

I thought of finishing the tow and then try to clear it, but from the looks of the knot, I thought the chances of clearing it would be low and I would put too much stress on the lines doing it. So, that's why I decided to release and manage coming down.

@huepix Ай бұрын

Looked like a tension knot to me. Hard to say tho. Pilot did well in an incredibly stressful situation

@paraglidingflorida Ай бұрын

@@huepix From my perspective, it seemed a tension not around a twig. The twig cannot be seen in the video due to the resolution, but I remember seeing it why trying to clear the knot.

@MrEvpatoria 2 ай бұрын

Excellent video, Roland. Somehow I missed it when it came out.

@paraglidingflorida 2 ай бұрын

I think I need to rerecord it, and procure better audio. Just recently there was another death because of this. I'm not sure this technique can be applied to every circumstance, but certainly it should be something we keep in the back of our mind just in case it is the only option we have.

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@Abderrahmane_Aitouche 3 ай бұрын

Le tissus volant 👍

@laserflight 4 ай бұрын

Sounds like 6m/s

@conny-r 5 ай бұрын

😊 Ein heißer Stil😂

@iamhove 6 ай бұрын

Phew. Yikes. I think just after 3 mins in, your friend almost got a reserve ride down getting into the seat! 🤪 Or is that big red handle actually for pushing into the seat?! See something similar on the other side.

@paraglidingflorida 6 ай бұрын

No. Reserve is in the pilots harness. Those handles are for the passenger to grab and seat.

@iamhove 6 ай бұрын

Makes a lot of sense for a passenger harness not to have that option. 😄

@paraglidingflorida 6 ай бұрын

@@iamhove the only thing the passenger can grab before due time is the release handle. I warn them that it is their duty to release us but only when we are at the end. I can also release it, but that imprints in them that they should not use it before told so.

@FlyBabyFlyPPG 7 ай бұрын

Rolando que buena pasajera, se parte la linea y ella tranquila sin quitarsela de la cara hasta que usted no lo hizo, buenos vuelos amigos.

@tangolima647 7 ай бұрын

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🪂🪂 Well done , Rolando! Beautiful!

@ripmanridin7092 7 ай бұрын

She was so excited!

@paraglidingflorida 7 ай бұрын

Flying passengers gets you the pleasure we had when we flew for the first time.

@tangolima647 7 ай бұрын

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍👍🪂🪂🥰

@tangolima647 7 ай бұрын

That was so nice, Roland! Thank you so much to make the weekend so fun to us! Great work, your video!

@parapenteencuba8369 8 ай бұрын

Superrrrr

@parapenteencuba8369 8 ай бұрын

Nice

@vagabundos_del_cielo 11 ай бұрын

this is my dream. to have a B2 🤩 such a awesome glider. you´re a lucky guy

@blackrhino3442 11 ай бұрын

That’s how pilots get killed. I learned power paragliding. You can get slammed to the ground very fast from towing with a car.

@paraglidingflorida 11 ай бұрын

Power paragliding seems similar to paragliding, but it is quite different. Many PG pilots are also PPG and know the difference which are more than just the engine. While it is true that towing with a static line is dangerous, this is not it. Lots have been learned about towing and the dangers of lockout (the one you mention) and those learnings are now part of the training that you need to take to tow and to be towed with a specially designed winch. Towing, when done correctly, is as safe or even safer in many circumstances, than other means of take off, including being propelled by an engine or launching from a mountain. If you already know ppg, I invite you to learn free flight with towing. It is very different and you will love it.

@Haralddv 11 ай бұрын

which winch type/model?

@paraglidingflorida 11 ай бұрын

We use the e-winch produced here in Miami. miamiparagliding.com/ewinch/

@perfectweather 11 ай бұрын

Great video, thanks 👍

@perfectweather 11 ай бұрын

Great video, thanks 👍

@FlyWithSergio Жыл бұрын

Well done!

@Marianoenparapente Жыл бұрын

Bienvenida a la era de las dos bandas!! 👏💪

@abadonael Жыл бұрын

How high can you get like this?

@paraglidingflorida Жыл бұрын

On tow we release between 1,000 and 2,000 feet. And once free flying, the max altitude is given by the ceiling (how high the thermals are getting that day) in Florida I've been at 9,000'.

@abadonael Жыл бұрын

@@paraglidingflorida got it, thanks :) I am a beginner pilot and fly in the mountains only so far, so have little understanding how hard it is to find a thermal in a flat area. But judging from your comment i guess you can do it consistently

@paraglidingflorida Жыл бұрын

@@abadonael yes. You can. But you must learn to read the sky and the ground to know where to search for them.

@Krasava.Slavik Жыл бұрын

Класс

@parapenteencuba8369 Жыл бұрын

Gracias roland

@christophostrowski3382 Жыл бұрын

DAMN - so short before landing... great save at the last moment! Fly save

@maxim9376 Жыл бұрын

All nice and fun until the driver of the car decides to floor the gas pedal 😂.

@paraglidingflorida Жыл бұрын

Not really. The winch's job is to mantain the tension constant regardless of the car speed. When the car accelerates, the winch just gives more line.

@parapenteencuba8369 Жыл бұрын

Felicitaciones para Lina 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

@dmshanks1 Жыл бұрын

Nice flight, thank you for your thoughts on the new Bonanza.

@andrew6274 Жыл бұрын

never brace to risers and never pull the brake "inside"

@danielwalker5706 Жыл бұрын

Where do you guys fly? Would love to fly with you. Dan P4 just moved to sarasota.

@paraglidingflorida Жыл бұрын

Dan, find us on FB: Paragliding Florida Group. Get in touch via PM with the Admin and we will get you in the right whatsapp group were we post the location where we are going to fly.

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