🇸🇰 SMEP PP 01: Part 4 [TCE #0468]
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@oneoflast7757
@oneoflast7757 19 сағат бұрын
Impressive
@gshingles
@gshingles 23 сағат бұрын
My first though for that amount of blackening in the corner of the case would be indicative of someone plugging in a C8 mains flex maybe 😅
@PhobosTK
@PhobosTK Күн бұрын
Man this is cool
@Toreonify
@Toreonify Күн бұрын
I need to get an oscilloscope and fix my father's Радио-86РК that he built himself from the scratch. Keyboard was made with buttons from desk calculators if I recall correctly) He with his friend built several of those at work and one of them had a peculiar fault: EPROM would not work until a lightbulb was placed on top of the erase window.
@Kovyagi
@Kovyagi Күн бұрын
Like !!!
@danielflakelar8193
@danielflakelar8193 Күн бұрын
@Brfff this one
@arampak
@arampak Күн бұрын
Cool, I was reading Radio magazine at the time and skipping over those pages because the schematic and the number of ICs were way over my head and my ability to obtain them.
@vanhetgoor
@vanhetgoor Күн бұрын
Hold on! Remaking the old keyboard without improving it is the easy way, now get the Euro sign on it and an improved way of typing in the diacritic characters or cyrilic. On old computers often it is a lot of work to do that. And I must say that there is nothing wrong with moving the keys around till they end up on the keyboard where nowadays the keys are situated, like the Esc key is now on the same row as the function keys, in the old days it was besides the 1-key. In the early days making the keyboard was the most expensive part of the computer if only back then all manufacturers used the same ley-out, then costs could have been reduced. Back then every switch costed real money and good switches even more then that. The improvement on the ROM board is nice.
@Brfff
@Brfff Күн бұрын
(don't mention Cyrillic!!!)
@gshingles
@gshingles Күн бұрын
What colour LEDs are you going to use on the keyboard? 🤔😅
@Brfff
@Brfff Күн бұрын
MWAH HA HA ... actually, I might stick with the original colours for a change ... green for RUN and amber/orange for the INTerrupt, but nice & bright modern ones
@janwiederlechner9901
@janwiederlechner9901 Күн бұрын
Very nice keyboard pcb, I am looking forward to see PP-01 clicking with cherry flavour :-). Just maybe it would be nice to keep original keyboard pcb alive and not harvest parts from it, from history preservation point of view. Used circuits are not very special and irreplaceable. I will consider to build such keyboard for myself, telephone dialling buttons are not the best keyboard option indeed.
@Brfff
@Brfff Күн бұрын
Yep, good point. I would LOVE to get my hands on replacement Tesla-branded ICs, if the 74154 is available still, otherwise will source Western parts. I've got four more boards so happy to send you one ... if it works!
@janwiederlechner9901
@janwiederlechner9901 11 сағат бұрын
@@Brfff All original Tesla circuits are still available to buy even today... in the czech/slovak rep. though. Look for their names Tesla MH 74154 etc. Western parts will do anyway, with newly built cherry replacement pcb I would use what is handily available instead looking for difficult to get old Tesla parts. Even Sourieau/FRB connectors (green connectors with golden pins) are still available to be bought as old new stock in czech, I suppose one can find them in Australia too if you look deep enough. 3D models for their plastic bodies were also created and precise pins are to some extent compatible with original Sourieau pins dimensions. The problem with them is, they are extremely brittle and not nearly as flexible as original brass gold plated pins are. But in this place with "one connection for all time" could work well too. Good luck with keyboard, again I will observe the building process closely :-).
@WacKEDmaN
@WacKEDmaN Күн бұрын
new boards look smick!... cant wait to see this thing up n running!
@MrWaalkman
@MrWaalkman Күн бұрын
Lots and lots of toys! Very cool!
@JVHShack
@JVHShack Күн бұрын
You're welcome, Brett. If any more keyboards need this kind of conversion, just ask.
@WacKEDmaN
@WacKEDmaN Күн бұрын
nice job on the board!
@JVHShack
@JVHShack Күн бұрын
@@WacKEDmaN Thanks!
@JamiesHackShack
@JamiesHackShack Күн бұрын
Pretty neat right there. I've got to catch up on my Clueless engineer video backlog again!
@deepmaze1
@deepmaze1 Күн бұрын
All my childhood I dreamed about this PC cause it was the most famous home brew PC in USSR. It was a virtual Raspberry Pi of its time but.....if you wanted to make some then you had to commit a crime of stealing very rare MCs from the military oriented factories. That is why commoners had only БК, ПОИСК (this one was for cool kids with parents in the Party HQ), Вектор and later on we had all kinds of ZX Spectrum clones. By commoners I mean families with the elite jobs like plane pilots, high ranked scientists, ruling system members and crime lords of the era. You could easily swap any PC for a motorcycle or two PCs for a ВАЗ 2101 car in late 1980 - early 1990. Real Western IBM PC desktop machine could be a reason why your apartment has the same security as the police armory and why you could be stabbed and looted at the streets if you had 5inch floppies (not because bandits had PCs but because floppies were a part of the USSR's cargo cult.). Радио-86РК disappeared from the market in 1991...... Complete HP 486 DX2 66Mhz (VGA 15'' monitor, 32RAM, 1Mb VESA Video, 200+mb HDD, no CD ROM, no Sound card, no modem) in 1994 was exactly 2440real money and no sales for local money were possible cause it would be too much paper weight. Cheapest 386SX 200 based system with 2MB of ram and 40Mb HDD was 1200 Compaq 80286 based system with 1.2Mb of ram and 20mb hdd was no less than 800 ZX clone of the same era was around 200 real money with a color monitor while motorcycle was around 30. In 1995 Pentuim appeared and all the Post USSR computer market gone mad. Everyone started to ditch everything older than 486. Prices were cut in half but still too expensive for students. The same year green capacitors looting became a thing. Science workers demolished old ДВК and Поиск based educational classes, mainframes, science equipment and TV station hardware in order to buy at least one 386. ZX 48 clones market flopped. ZX Scorpion based marked lived for three more years. By 1998 there were little to none old era USSR made mainframes and classes. I remember when punch cards were EVERYWHERE at the streets of my city cause software warehouses went to a dumpster and looting. ZX and БК base game clubs went down last. it was way cheaper to use Nintendo systems ripoffs as a gaming clubs hardware.
@LastofAvari
@LastofAvari Күн бұрын
Congrats on reaching 2 kilobytes worth of subscribers, Brett :) It's always interesting to see your impressions of all sorts of weird unpopular/non-default computers.
@viktoruzhgorod
@viktoruzhgorod 2 күн бұрын
These "Lvivs" were kind of a masterpiece of an 8080 hw design, but just a total nightmare to run. I had 6 or 7 of them die on me out of 10, in several weeks time. One time they just wouldn't turn on - gone. believe me or not - but I managed to diagnose/repair like 4 of them with a... nail (!!) I was shorting out IC pins and watching if that changed anything in display, and if it did not - I did cut that IC out, soldered in a new one and we were up again. Fun times :)
@viktoruzhgorod
@viktoruzhgorod 2 күн бұрын
Well, those "space invaders" caps might be part of the problem. They grew stalactites and shorted out with time. Possibly the worst caps of all times, should be avoided in every possible case.
@Brfff
@Brfff Күн бұрын
Ahh, interesting. In general, I've had 0% luck getting any machine with a Soviet ULA to work ... but I won't give up
@viktoruzhgorod
@viktoruzhgorod 2 күн бұрын
There is no poblem with your Alpha-BK, it only displays everything in russian and otherwise misbehaving, because you have no keyboard connected. The keyboard pulls up 8 data lines of the PPA, and the pc starts working. You should connect a keyboard (or at least a pull-up network) and switch to latin layout, as simple as that.
@Brfff
@Brfff Күн бұрын
I did try 10KΩ pull-ups on the 8080's data lines (as advised by ZXBYTE.RU) but they didn't make any difference, at that stage of troubleshooting at least. I did also try with the keyboard connected (which is a MASSIVE PITA) with no real change ... again, at that stage. But I will be coming back to this fellow!
@viktoruzhgorod
@viktoruzhgorod Күн бұрын
@@Brfff I should have said most probably there is nothing wrong with your hw. Which to me looks like a problem with your keyboard PPA. This type of machines are very tightly tuned together (CPU/DMA/VDC/memory), so the fact it displays suggests it is all working fine together. The RAM is very often an issue, but that is also not the case. So only the two PPA's aren't in that circle. I remember having absolutely similar problems with my piece of HW, just it was displaying something like "Радио-86РЦ" instead of that it should have displayed it in latin, (obviously it's the same text under different layouts, because there is no difference between the keyboard and the character layout), and I also went down the path of tracing VDC to char ROM paths, finding out that everything was fine, etc. It took me several ROMS (fortunately I have plenty of them as well as programming and erasing devices for everything), until I realized it was the unconnected keyboard. If connecting it's alike did not fix the issue - I'd still suspect the PPA damage, specially that it is the piece connecting it to the outer world. Too bad you don't have it socketed, but the board looks fragile and idk what it takes for you to throw in a socket there...
@magnustveten492
@magnustveten492 2 күн бұрын
4:56 making copies you could use a dual tape deck :)
@Brfff
@Brfff Күн бұрын
The program actually lets you make a copy of itself ... "only for backup, not for your friends!" ... I do actually have a couple dual-deck, component cassette recorders. I ended up digitising the tape ... there's definitely data there ... no idea why my Datasette couldn't read it ...
@charlesdorval394
@charlesdorval394 2 күн бұрын
Nice find! Totally unrelated: What was the name of that spider that was hanging around?
@Brfff
@Brfff Күн бұрын
That'd be Hanuš ... haven't seen it for a while, but it'll be lurking somewhere www.cbr.com/spaceman-hanus-spider-explained/
@WacKEDmaN
@WacKEDmaN Күн бұрын
@@Brfff oh thats where the name came from!... watch that movie a few months ago...weird AF!
@AndrewAHayes
@AndrewAHayes 2 күн бұрын
I have to get the caps changed in my Vic 20, they are not fat but I would feel easier if they were changed out, I changed out the ones on the boards of my Research Machines 380Z, the very machine from my school that I learned to program on. Are there any modems that can be modded to work with the Vic 20? I have quite a few 56K modems lying around.
@Brfff
@Brfff Күн бұрын
The 380Z looks like an interesting machine! I'd not heard of those before! For modems, generally they connect via a V24/RS232 serial port ... so you could either get a VIC-20 modem that connects via the expansion port (like the one I've got ... and don't need) or you could get an RS-232 interface for the VIC and connect a standard modem via that ... but just a guess! In video TCE #0207 I look at the VIC-1011A RS232 interface. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppPPgZdvmJWLhK8
@AndrewAHayes
@AndrewAHayes Күн бұрын
@@Brfff Yeah the 380Z was the choice of most UK schools before the BBC was launched, my school went with this computer but bought BBC models when they launched, however, our teacher preferred that we learn using CP/M as that is what we would most likely be using should we use computers in our careers and so we were taught on both machines. I was the chairman of the computer club and we raised money to by a colour card for our 380Z, on the documentation booklet for the card a print which basically said the card was purchased by the computer club and the names of the committee members was slid into the clear wallet that contained the book. Around 1994 the caretaker was doing a clearout and came across the 380Z and the documentation was on top, I bumped into Colin the caretaker in the village pub one night and he mentioned that he had seen my name on the print (he always called me Mr Chairman after this), he was going to dump the 380Z but I asked if I could have it and he dropped the whole lot off a few days later.
@WacKEDmaN
@WacKEDmaN 2 күн бұрын
nice and simple motor driver board... it really shouldnt be too hard to send stuff to it with a little fiddling!... ....this made me wonder what hardware was used on the old vic20 and commodore64s that were used to control the Slotcar tracks (them big 8 lane things)...i wonder if youve seen any on your travels?!
@magnustveten492
@magnustveten492 2 күн бұрын
The user port on vic 20 and c64 were pretty much used like the gpio on pi’s and what nots.. :) even from basic
@WacKEDmaN
@WacKEDmaN 2 күн бұрын
2K already! damn you! :P congrats mate.... ...dunno why but this one didnt pop up for me until today.... youtubes been really weird lately...
@Brfff
@Brfff Күн бұрын
Don't think I'll ever have a 1M+ view video like you though!
@Brfff
@Brfff Күн бұрын
Oh ... I didn't "notify subscribers" when I published it ... if I think something won't be of general interest, I avoid spamming subscribers to stop their temptation to unsubscribe ... a daily video already is probably enough for a lot of people!
@WacKEDmaN
@WacKEDmaN Күн бұрын
@@Brfff the 1M vid isnt really mine tho.. and no monetisation on my channel... yeah the not notifying makes sense... i didnt know ya could do that... but probably explains why ive been missing things all over the place the last few weeks!
@MrWaalkman
@MrWaalkman 2 күн бұрын
There's probably some old Ham who has this software.
@danielflakelar8193
@danielflakelar8193 2 күн бұрын
cant find Part 2
@Brfff
@Brfff Күн бұрын
Yes ... I need to somehow get the beast on to my bench so I can fix the CRT brightness issue ... the poor thing really needs to get completed!
@danielflakelar8193
@danielflakelar8193 Күн бұрын
@@Brfff Not sure why this comment ended up on this vid. I was on about the Small B&W Tv that you did a composite mod.
@Brfff
@Brfff Күн бұрын
Ahh … yes, I need to complete this. Maybe next week
@varjagg
@varjagg 3 күн бұрын
Heh I remember reading the series in the original magazine. Also the competing design Specialist/Специалист in another magazine around 1987, which I was subscribed to then. The latter turned even more obscure.
@Brfff
@Brfff 2 күн бұрын
Oooo, I've not heard of that one ... interesting. I'll have to keep an eye out but I guess it might be hard/rare to find one ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Специалист_(компьютер)
@varjagg
@varjagg 2 күн бұрын
@@Brfff There was even a rarer one, ЮТ-88. Also a magazine design, closer in concept to KIM-1 or other trainers. I'm not even sure these were industrialized in any way or just existed as homebrew builds. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UT-88
@viktoruzhgorod
@viktoruzhgorod 3 күн бұрын
I can't see any misbehavior. So where is it misbehaving exactly? Although 61C for a 8080 seems way too high to me. It means it's impossible to hold a finger on it, and I never met an 8080 so hot.
@Brfff
@Brfff 3 күн бұрын
Edited out ... [1] On first power on with Polish 8080, nothing happened; [2] With Western 8080, black screen; [3] Then boots with flashing cursor; [4] Get RADIO prompt then blank screen with flashing cursor; [5] Get RADIO prompt, appears to be working then crashes after a minute; [6] Get RADIO prompt, pressing any key reboots Yes, I agree ... the 8080 seems to be running too hot ... but the Альфа БК is the same (see around 33:31 mark in Part 4 video [TCE #0458])
@josefjelinek
@josefjelinek 2 күн бұрын
@@Brfff I think these should not have been edited out, they would make the journey more interesting IMHO.
@Brfff
@Brfff 2 күн бұрын
​@@josefjelinek I'll add them back in for Part 2 (loading ROM software)
@viktoruzhgorod
@viktoruzhgorod 2 күн бұрын
Yeah, I've seen your struggles with the Alpha. Connect a keyboard (basically, the pull-ups that are necessary) and there you go. The unconnected keyboard on a radio 86 RK causes all sorts of weird issues, because the PPA is picking up unpredictable $hit. And the cyrillic characters are displayed, because the keyboard (and screen) layout is currently russian. Most probably that is the issue, at least worth a try...
@jjermar1
@jjermar1 3 күн бұрын
I wouldn't pay too much attention to dislikes, especially if it's only a very small fraction of your views.
@Brfff
@Brfff 2 күн бұрын
Hey, it's all "interaction" isn't it? :) Generally it's ... likes = 10% of views = 10% of subscribers ... dislikes are an occasional fraction of a fraction! The way I see it at the moment is, if a video gets more views than 10% of subscriber count, then there's interest in the topic (i.e. SMEP PP01), and if a video gets more likes than 10% of views, then people appreciate the video I've made. Sometimes I don't "notify subscribers" when I publish a video (like this one) if I don't think there's general interest, hence why the view count is quite low on this one ... you need to stumble upon this one.
@MartijnvanBuul
@MartijnvanBuul 2 күн бұрын
You don't want to know how often me and my thick fingers manage to hit the dislike thumb when I really meant to hit the thumbs up... I usually catch it when that happens, but no guarantees.
@JVHShack
@JVHShack 3 күн бұрын
There is something with the combination of older ICs and turned pin sockets that sometimes make whatever computer or other device non-functional. Sometimes, the pins can work themselves out of the sockets. @Epictronics discovered this recently while working on a C64. Because of his discovery, he had to replace the turned-pin socket with a dual wipe one. He does a very good explanation as to why in his latest video.
@viktoruzhgorod
@viktoruzhgorod 3 күн бұрын
Particularly the 54LS series. I suspect this is because they have thinner legs.
@Brfff
@Brfff 2 күн бұрын
I'm also (slightly) mixing 2.5mm and 2.54mm pitch as well ... just one of the EPROMs at the moment
@viktoruzhgorod
@viktoruzhgorod 2 күн бұрын
@@Brfff The pitch mismatch in this case makes connections actually better, so no worries, it really does not matter up to 28 pin count. 40pin ICs is where is gets annoying.
@MrWaalkman
@MrWaalkman 3 күн бұрын
Why not use a 28C16 as an alternative to the 27C16? Nice to see it working!
@Brfff
@Brfff 2 күн бұрын
Ahhh good point - it's not something that I've got handy, and I'm assuming they're easier to program ... don't require the high voltage that the 2716s require.
@MrWaalkman
@MrWaalkman 2 күн бұрын
@@Brfff Oh yeah, EEPROM - Electrically Erasable! Not in circuit of course... Or find a EPROM programmer that can handle the higher voltage of the 2716. Clearly they exist.
@Brfff
@Brfff 2 күн бұрын
@@MrWaalkman Ahem, like the one I mentioned in the Video Description? :)
@MrWaalkman
@MrWaalkman 2 күн бұрын
​@@Brfff Yup, I saw that. And I remember that you mentioned it awhile back. And that it can handle the higher voltages. But I can't recall if we ever saw it in action. But we would need a solution for the rest of us mere mortals. We all can't send our EPROMs to Oz to get them programmed... :)
@australiancomputermuseum
@australiancomputermuseum 3 күн бұрын
Thanks for the shout out! Even if it's not running on the day, it'll be good to have a 664 on display to complete the set!
@Brfff
@Brfff 2 күн бұрын
I'm planning on heading on down around 5am-ish ... I'll bring down the HP Series 80 stuff as well!
@archivis
@archivis 3 күн бұрын
mnoo
@JVHShack
@JVHShack 3 күн бұрын
Methinks you have a troll disliking your videos, Brett. Trolls need to stay under their bridges and leave everyone alone! lol
@Brfff
@Brfff 3 күн бұрын
LOL ... it's only certain videos ... like the Amstrad CPC664 Part 2 video ... the Part 1 (almost a year ago) got a single dislike ... then bang, same with Part 2 shortly after it was uploaded. I just assumed it was someone jealous that I've got a 664 and they don't (just pure luck), and they feel they could do a much better job fixing it (they're probably not wrong). It doesn't really annoy or irritate me ... it just makes me laugh when I see it as I can usually predict when I'm going to get one!
@MrWaalkman
@MrWaalkman 3 күн бұрын
Congrats on busting the 2k mark! And hell yeah, 6 minutes is a long time when you are an old fart like me!
@jason-birch
@jason-birch 4 күн бұрын
If I start watching a video, I'll always watch to the end. I don't think that is typical though, drop off curve looks familiar, I think short attention span is quite common. I like the range of east block computers I've not seen before. Miss the stomping upstairs though.
@spenny45108
@spenny45108 4 күн бұрын
Cheers for your videos, always like seeing the wide variety of computers and your efforts in trying to resurrect them. Much appreciated.
@MrWaalkman
@MrWaalkman 5 күн бұрын
@16:24 Pin 13 on that TC74HCU04P looks knackered.
@MrWaalkman
@MrWaalkman 5 күн бұрын
What about the MC6845P? Nice seeing a clock signal without any extra baggage. :)
@jason-birch
@jason-birch 5 күн бұрын
If the Z80 is getting a clock, the only thing that would stop it outputing DRAM refresh on A0-A7 would be BUSACK low, as this would mean the Z80 frees the buses for external use. So A0-A7 should be active if BUSACK is high. And the gate array won't do anything until the BIOS tells it to.
@Brfff
@Brfff 5 күн бұрын
Yep, good 4MHz signal at 05:44 ... didn't check the lower address lines I think, will check.
@WacKEDmaN
@WacKEDmaN 5 күн бұрын
BUSACK and BUSRQ isnt used on the CPC...they broken out to the expansion port.. but i cant see them anywhere else on the schematic... (BUSRQ and NMI are both pulled high) the GA owns the bus... its controls it all.. reads MREQ, M1, RD, IORQ, generates Clocks, INT, ROMEN, RAMRD, READY, MWE, CAS, RAS, and toggles the 74LS244 enabled pin to read or write to the data bus..aswell as generating video signals...
@WacKEDmaN
@WacKEDmaN 5 күн бұрын
just a heads up....40007 and 40010 pinouts are different! ..you might want to grab the correct pinout for probing!! :P id start with the diag expansion will bypass the rom and ram... will let you know if the z80 and GA are good no screen at all suggests CRTC isnt sending H/Vsync to GA...GA is bad, or Z80 is bad... once you can get something on screen you can test ram/multiplexers/buffers... the clock into the z80 should be 4mhz (pin 6 on the z80)... you seem to be probing the clock for the sound which is only 1mhz... NPHI is the Z80 clock on the 40010 (pin 19 on the GA).... NCPU (pin 14) is the 1mhz sound and memory clock
@Brfff
@Brfff 5 күн бұрын
Yep - I should've been a bit clearer in the editing but I'm using the 40010 pinout when checking signals from 05:05 onwards ... "let's try that again" ... good 4MHZ clock (05:44)
@deepmaze1
@deepmaze1 7 күн бұрын
1K2 - 1.2 kilo Ohm. R\K\M\G between numbers is the decimal point that shows the preceding number multiplier K at the end is the precision marker. in this case resistance is plus-minus 0.5%
@Leo1980Bp
@Leo1980Bp 8 күн бұрын
Interesting video, thanks! Can You help me tl send me some .wav programs for X07?
@andrewdunbar828
@andrewdunbar828 9 күн бұрын
My Amiga 1000 I bought used in probably 1986 had a SCART cable. Only one I've ever seen in real life I think.
@colinebyuk
@colinebyuk 10 күн бұрын
I ended up sourcing NiCd batteries for mine. They were solder tab cells, so I made up my own packs. I don't have paper to test the printer yet, but the HHC itself seems happy enough. Of course I did end up doing it all three times. Learned a few lessons along the way. Lesson 1, if you don't have the HHC's fuse locked down properly with its original sleeve, you are going to short against the back panel and smoke all the positive leads. Ask me how I know this. And yes, it all survived. In the final config I shrink wrapping the fuse assembly on both the HCC and the printer. Thanks for the videos and advice!
@Brfff
@Brfff 8 күн бұрын
Huh! Yes, I was thinking about the fuse the other day - was just going to re-use the existing one and put new, clear shrink-wrap on. Haven't checked if that paper type is still available - happy to send you leftover part of a roll from one of my printers if you like (if I have any, can't remember). I finally got NiCds as well on Tuesday - I ordered NiCds ... and they actually delivered NiCds ... got Panasonic branded ones. Will also try out the NiMHs as well in another machine.
@WacKEDmaN
@WacKEDmaN 10 күн бұрын
love them bypass caps..but makes its a bit hard to read the part numbers!
@Brfff
@Brfff 10 күн бұрын
Good thing they ID'd all the parts on the board ... oh, they didn't do that ...
@WacKEDmaN
@WacKEDmaN 10 күн бұрын
fun for the whole family! :P
@deepmaze1
@deepmaze1 10 күн бұрын
SOOOOOOO many platinum capacitors..... Missing components appear to be KT315 transistors. You can replace those with any N-P-N signal transistors with amplification 400-1000. (BC547, 2N2222)
@Brfff
@Brfff 10 күн бұрын
Hands off! Mine! Thanks for the tip about replacements - I need to check a photo of an intact board as none of the components have any IDs next to them, so I have no idea what is missing ... apart from comparing with the schematic
@deepmaze1
@deepmaze1 10 күн бұрын
@@Brfff I've checked multiple sources. looks like your board is exactly as it was for our market. Do not solder anything in. Just check the video output by mixing all color+sync outputs through 1k resistors
@Brfff
@Brfff 10 күн бұрын
Ahh, thanks. I am travelling tomorrow so will experiment more when I'm back home on the weekend!
@Aeduo
@Aeduo 11 күн бұрын
DD44 dostovei? :p
@Brfff
@Brfff 10 күн бұрын
*groan*