what build are you using when you say that wild slashes isn't viable? i've tried to make other builds do as much dmg on the target dummies in dorn and the best i can do outside of a wild slashes build is pretty close to the wild slashes build. given that it is a static environment and only 5 targets, the static environment lends itself to buffing other builds, the 5 targets... there is variability there. but i don't know what build you are talking about, just what i'm using.
@cheesey7395Ай бұрын
5 target dummies are pointless tests though because so much of a dungeon is single-target, and that's where Wild Slashes drops off significantly. If you want build recommendations I'd check out the guides I mentioned (Method + Compendium).
@ziedmezyen4620Ай бұрын
hey cheesey , is there a way i can get your plater profile please :P ?
@cheesey7395Ай бұрын
wago.io/iKOjBNkhV
@HundinohАй бұрын
thank you for the video! one question, in the thrashing claws li build in the video, are you playing druid of the claw or wildstalker?
@cheesey7395Ай бұрын
Wildstalker
@berkaykarakas1457Ай бұрын
u were the one who teached me feral. hope u doin well in irl, we gonna miss u in top of the wclogs kekw
@cheesey7395Ай бұрын
What a lovely message, thanks mate appreciate it :)
@magnus-f2hАй бұрын
Is your new updated UI up anywhere ?
@cheesey7395Ай бұрын
wago.io/18VspFroU
@iDZerooАй бұрын
This season is so fucking interesting. So many build are possible. So much flexibility. First time ireally enjoy digging so much in talent choices. I dont even care about the dps we do compared to other. It's only about efficiency of the gameplay for each bosses or keys. Really cool to see you enjoying that as well. Hopefully we will be back in raid progress soon 💪
@cheesey7395Ай бұрын
Love to hear that mate and great attitude, experimenting and learning your talents is so important so you can customise your build for any given situation, on top of yeah making the game more fun
@pepelechad536Ай бұрын
Hey Cheesey, great vid but I'm super confused... How does Rampant Ferocity _not_ being affected by Bloodtalons make Biting without BT less punishing? Wouldn't it now mean that, for the most part, you only care about BT when applying PW's in aoe and can basically ignore it when Biting because it is only giving you damage on 1 target? And on the reverse, wouldn't RF being affected by BT mean that we _do_ care about BT in aoe because we always want to buff every bite with BT?
@cheesey7395Ай бұрын
So if BT affected RF, it would mean you'd need to constantly proc it to min-max it, because Apex and Berserk naturally make you Bite more than you typically proc BT in a standard rotation. Right now we can more freely Bite with Apex procs or in Zerk without losing significant damage. But beyond that, if you do mess up your BT, you can choose to Bite and not lose as much damage. If it affected RF, everytime you mess up your BT, you are losing even more damage, making BT more complex and more punishing for those who make errors with it (and I think there's a healthy amount of min-max and complexity to BT as is without needing to add more). We still care about BT in AOE not sure how you got that impression, and it's still valuable to use on Bite (base Bite damage is still 50% of Bite+RFs damage even up to 4-5 targets and Ravage its much higher so there's still plenty of benefit there) but have to remember the AOE rotation naturally consumes BT charges faster due to Apex, so by reverting it, it means we can go back to prioritising Primal Wrath a little bit more with it and using on Bites when we can, rather than feeling like we constantly need it for Bites. You would have to refresh dots early and weave more Shrds in AOE to proc BT more (to where builders would get a bit degenerate and clunky) if the change went through as there's just too much damage gained from it. But yeah beyond that the fact the change would have killed any snapshotting priority is a big issue and putting way too much emphasis on Bite in AOE.
@XuenTiger0828Ай бұрын
Unfortunately, Feral still can't get away from Convoke. To be honest, I'm already fed up with Convoke.
@cheesey7395Ай бұрын
Haha I enjoy it but I'm sure it won't be a permanent thing, usually comes and goes in terms of viability between each tier. Agree though it can get boring when its the best pick for too long.
@riccardocarlini1746Ай бұрын
It's kinda crazy to me how people get fed up pressing one button every 2 minutes, perhaps visually fed up with the spell?
@cheesey7395Ай бұрын
@@riccardocarlini1746 Well when you're playing Convoke you're not just playing Convoke if you get what I mean, you're playing all talents/builds that go with Convoke (and less so the ones that do not), plus the same damage profile (Bite-heavy) and so on. Change is always good, and needed to keep things feeling fresh.
@peterburger69247Ай бұрын
the sound of your voice brings me a euphoric joy that is often hard to come by, it is comparable to listening to Reload on repeat <3
@cheesey7395Ай бұрын
Love that
@knightofwhale2834Ай бұрын
This video convinced me to go back to my druid
@cheesey7395Ай бұрын
Love that. Feral is so well made imo!
@knightofwhale2834Ай бұрын
@cheesey7395 yeah it's my first time playing it. I still feel relatively weak in multi target compared to other specs like re pally and fury warrior but it's at least fun. Do you think the damage might be more comparable in higher keys (or maybe I'm just doing something wrong?) Edit: I also find myself encouraged to play boomie more, and while it's nice to play if I just want to chill and focus on mechanics I find it a bit bland. I can't deny results either though. I get way better numbers in multi target with boomie and the single target is not so bad that it's a worse tradeoff. Perhaps I just need to get my crit up. It's unfortunately my lowest stat.
@FdotnyАй бұрын
cats up top
@MrXarorАй бұрын
Appreciate the video. Love that you included some stuff on wildstalker vs dotc, that was something i wanted to ask: is that something you were planning to include to the feral compendium? aynway gonna check out the method guide, thx!
@cheesey7395Ай бұрын
Could add more stuff about that to compendium in future but can't dedicate much time atm. When I start playing again and doing M+, will probably come back to that stuff as the tuning between the two should be more clear-cut by then. Will talk more about the hero trees in my M+ videos coming soon though.
@haiko_catАй бұрын
As a financial analyst I love you rational way of looking for good build in every situation, really good job!
@GhondieGamesАй бұрын
Every time I think I need a new cheesey video one pops up
@cheesey7395Ай бұрын
Haha amazing, just don't think it too often 😅
@haiko_catАй бұрын
This cat rocks!
@clawme3332Ай бұрын
Love new cheesey content.
@bigtrunxАй бұрын
another banger video, cheesey. cheers
@다나이스Ай бұрын
Do you not play World of Warcraft anymore?
@cheesey7395Ай бұрын
Taking a break from raiding due to being too busy IRL to play my guilds hours and even raiding in general. Will play M+ this season and will see in future about raiding
@다나이스Ай бұрын
@@cheesey7395 I'm curious about your idea of a ranking item for trinkets in Blood Mallet
@cheesey7395Ай бұрын
@@다나이스 Bloodmallet trinkets look roughly accurate to me, I think you probably don't want to play Treacherous Transmitter but indeed Skardyn's, Queen's Mandate, Sacbrood, Contract, and Spyglass are all great.
@shamuschannel682Ай бұрын
Great vid cheesey thanks bro!!!
@trm902 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video. Weirdly when I sim the polearm with darkmoon or elemental focusing lens they are basically bang on the same increase (0.2% within each other) for 5 min patchwerk and hectic add cleave/1 min 5x patchwerk. Are most sims showing them to be super close? I mainly ask cuz darkmoon is 4x more expensive than elemental focusing lens
@cheesey73952 ай бұрын
I think it's only showing that way because right now you are really low item level so direct damage effect like Elemental Focusing Lens is going to be quite strong, but the stats will scale better with your character as your item level increases. So basically, Ascension should only get better as your ilvl increases.
@antonjohansson97402 ай бұрын
Do you craft mast/crit or mast/hast on polearm?
@cheesey73952 ай бұрын
Probably just do Mast/Crit for now and you can always recraft the stats on it later if the rest of your gear ends up with too much Crit and too little Haste.
@urouje70692 ай бұрын
Thanks sensei 👏🏻
@igorgustavo27172 ай бұрын
You tell for crafting polearm in first week ? Is better or just wait ?
@cheesey73952 ай бұрын
Don't understand the question mate, yes I am recommending weapon first craft.
@haiko_cat2 ай бұрын
GOAT
@Xxfire90x2 ай бұрын
Cheesey I just read your feral guide and it says in the rotation part that convoke should paired with berserk... Would it be ok to put both in a macro?
@drained972 ай бұрын
no
@cheesey73952 ай бұрын
Wouldn't recommend it personally. Think there's better ways to cut down on binds like with help/harm macros
@Jstxo2 ай бұрын
goat
@nathanwood31102 ай бұрын
The lord has spoken once more
@bigtrunx2 ай бұрын
right as I was looking for bis items to look for and craft this season. always on top of it, cheesey. cheers
@cheesey73952 ай бұрын
Haha thanks mate just in time then.
@jordanbrown83262 ай бұрын
WS >>
@jordanbrown83262 ай бұрын
Comment for algorithm boost.
@jordanbrown83262 ай бұрын
The other ferals hate on bees so much, they just can’t see the vision. Trust the process this build is so damn rewarding.
@cheesey73952 ай бұрын
Haha there's plenty of bee lovers :) but good that Feral has so many build options, but yea nothing comes close to bees for fun.
@jordanbrown83262 ай бұрын
It’s simple. I see Cheesey video I like and comment on cheesey video.
@cheesey73952 ай бұрын
Thank you mate! New one out, will try get another out ASAP.
@jordanbrown83262 ай бұрын
The goat chef. Gordon Cheesey.
@Jstxo2 ай бұрын
some of the best feral info out there, do you share your plater profile at all?
@cheesey73952 ай бұрын
Yep you can find it here wago.io/iKOjBNkhV
@Jstxo2 ай бұрын
@@cheesey7395 cheers fella
@DelennsEnchantedForest-y8m2 ай бұрын
Appreciate this video, I was running several of the wrong talents! I know I can trust your advice.
@Skar38rus3 ай бұрын
Please, mate, do more videos about Feral. There is soo lack of Feral videos on YT rn. this is so sad. And there is lots of chances since this video, so, probably u want to make another one? btw, i saw one of ur videos the WA with Blood taloon rotation cooldowns, can u share it?
@cheesey73953 ай бұрын
Have been wanting to do more, just really busy real life schedule sadly and I only make like $4 for each these videos so it makes it hard to commit my free time to them. I will be trying to do a M+ one in the next week, was a lot of recent changes that made some of the old old footage I gathered somewhat obsolete. Bloodtalons WA can be found in my feral packs or stand-alone on my wago profile wago.io/search/imports/wow/all?q=User%3A%22cheesey%22
@drummerguy4383 ай бұрын
The moment to moment explanation is wonderful. Thank you for taking the time to do this. Especially with tips and tricks to make the rotation feel smoother.
@tamdew_3 ай бұрын
As always, thank you for your videos!
@cheesey73953 ай бұрын
Hello everyone just wanted to highlight with M+ testing coming out after this vid was made, Brutal Slash should still be the better pick. However in any crazy AOE scenarios, or MDI-type pulls, Wild Slashes will definitely be a good consideration.
@cheonmoopark74753 ай бұрын
Can you do another review after the cat buff? Not enough feral videos out there 😢
@cheesey73953 ай бұрын
@@cheonmoopark7475 Haha possibly, going to try put out more videos soon just getting held up with IRL stuff.
@urouje70693 ай бұрын
Hello @cheesey, big fan here! Thank you very much for all the insights you provide on feral, nice video too :) I wanted to ask you, do you offer coaching services? I wanted to improve for next exp
@cheesey73953 ай бұрын
Hey mate, yep best to add me on discord _cheesey
@Sevarid3 ай бұрын
Watching this seems like there are very little energy issues, I guess I must be doing something wrong or haste is a lot more valuable now since im at ~12% on pre patch. But I feel like im constantly out of energy not sure why maybe I'm just trying to press buttons too fast, it feels like every bite I want to do I have to wait for energy maybe its just normal and I still have to adjust, just started playing again since like middle S3 in DF so might be that
@cheesey73953 ай бұрын
Yeah the spec has been slowed down a bit, I'm not really playing prepatch so not 100% sure on stats but 12% does seem very low as well.
@Demcn3 ай бұрын
which hero tree performing better in raid?
@cheesey73953 ай бұрын
Wildstalker is generally the stronger tree especially in single-target.
@bigtrunx3 ай бұрын
the renewal nerf to 20% hp and wildstalker 10% healing to 3% are so uncalled for and i have no idea why blizzard would do that. really hoping feral is still viable this xpac
@cheesey73953 ай бұрын
Yeah very odd changes. Me too
@bigtrunx3 ай бұрын
@@cheesey7395 i didnt even notice they took out the 2nd point in well honed instincts and now it's a flat 120sec cd. they really dont want us to live or heal at all LOL
@SK-pi6cn3 ай бұрын
They wanted to nerf the tank spec so they nerfed it for all druids.... absolutely awful
@cheesey73953 ай бұрын
@@bigtrunx Yep and Frenzied Regen is 20% now.
@cheesey73953 ай бұрын
Fortunately this has been reverted in this weeks beta build :)
@derpataur11623 ай бұрын
Snapshotting dots is absolute cancer gameplay imo. I really think they butchered Feral. They need to stop listening to feedback from whoever they're listening to cause they're destroying the spec.
@cheesey73953 ай бұрын
Snapshotting was still a thing in Dragonflight and 6~ expansions before it for Feral, if it's not something you're interested in then there are other specs. It's a unique mechanic that differentiates it from other specs that many enjoy.
@MrCarlWax3 ай бұрын
@@cheesey7395 What does snapshotting dots mean?
@cheesey73953 ай бұрын
@@MrCarlWax When you apply a DOT with a buff up (like Tiger's Fury), that DOT will benefit for its entire duration even if Tiger's Fury falls off. The same for Bloodtalons and Pouncing Strikes (Sudden Ambush). Basically you want to refresh DOTs when you can upgrade them, and refresh late when you would otherwise apply a weaker DOT. www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/feral/compendium#what-is-snapshotting
@MrCarlWax3 ай бұрын
@@cheesey7395Ooh I see! That's very cool skill expression. I recently started playing Feral and I'm having lots of fun and I'll main it in tww, so I'm trying to find out whatever I can to play better. Thanks a lot for the response!
@Yevhen_Hura3 ай бұрын
How do you think, is any chance to feral get rework or buff?)
@cheesey73953 ай бұрын
Doesn't need a rework it plays well, but yes they will tune the numbers at some point.
@savjack1003 ай бұрын
good video not gonna lie my guild was struggling with the adds on broodtwister mythic they were destorying us LOL also cool to see 5cp biting is back, also is 5cp back because we have less energy + tier set?
@cheesey73953 ай бұрын
Some of the adds were definitely painful, though they still die very quickly. Was more referring to their HP if I said they were weak. Also yeah, 4cp Bites were only a marginal damage gain in DF anyway, so with energy changes they are certainly better now. Tier set helps too ya