This is a really interesting project. The inclusion of a hardware-divide is a good choice. With modern fabs, it might get attention if someone made an 8-bit processor--that attained several GHz, even more so, if it could throttle to almost nothing such ancient RCA1802. Of course, I want there to be either a 24-bit address space, or a psudo-block switching scheme, such as the CoCo 3 "GIME," but integrated into the CPU. Just by reserving one 8-bit vector for the memory blocks, the memory could be 2MB, at least, which isn't all that impressive, BUT, perhaps the CPU could just as easily load in ROM blocks (or even FLASH blocks ala ATMEGA.) I should think that you scoured the HC6309 instruction set for useful things? I think the 6309 had a 32-bit register, joined like the 16 bit D register, which are also the A and B. I do have my heart set on seeing a modern 3GHz 68000-like processor, but surely I want your project to come to fruition. Your team seems well qualified for such a project! [I feel bad for Motorola. Although the 6809 and 68000 seem to be based from mainframes such as the old DEC PDP's, it seemed like Motorola's relationship with IBM was one-sided. Motorola was doing fine, making CISC processors. The went all-in for the PowerPC, and now they are dead. Sigh.]
@derekchristenson5711Ай бұрын
Too bad about the snafus, but it was still an interesting presentation. Thanks for posting it for the rest of us to see! In the future, I would humbly suggest that audience questions either be repeated, or the audience member with the question be given a wireless mic when asking it. I had to turn up the volume and rewatch several of the questions to understand what was being asked. 🙂
@VCFSW20 күн бұрын
Thank you for the suggestion. We have very limited staff and resources available for filming these presentations, so we didn't have a wireless mic available or a staff member who could run the mic around the audience to try to catch the questions better. Perhaps for this year's show we can try to transcribe the question over the video to make it clearer. Thanks!
@jaimdiojtar3 ай бұрын
Warlock’s Dungeon doesnt exist anymore anyone have a reupload?
@kajsagauza4 ай бұрын
Amiga Basic dialects that are different from the Microsoft Basic included in the Workbench 1.1-1.3: * GFA BASIC * HiSoft BASIC * Blitz BASIC / AmiBlitz (the fastest?) * ABasic * AMOS BASIC (the most popular?)
@SiD3WiNDR4 ай бұрын
An amazing feat. Well done everyone who helped out!
@derekchristenson57114 ай бұрын
What a nice panel! I regularly watch several of these people, although I think at least one of them doesn't (usually?) show his face, as I didn't recognize him despite being sure I had seen videos he made. Too bad Maccy got too "tired" to continue to the end, though, hehe.
@derekchristenson57114 ай бұрын
Wow, very cool! I've used OS-9 on my CoCo3 (with 6309 and 512K), and seeing it ported to a new-retro system is pretty neat. 🙂
@TwinOpinion4 ай бұрын
This was GOLD!!! 👏👏👏 This was seriously blowing my mind the whole time. A true pioneer sharing the goods! Thank you!
@Tarukai7885 ай бұрын
Action Retro after my own heart with that 98 XJ Cherokee, love those bricks and had the same year myself, missing it every day!
@markwiedmann56305 ай бұрын
I think David nailed it with the X16. I wanted to get into lower level programming with some "simpler" hardware and make some games. As you start looking at existing systems you start hitting some barriers (older hardware not that reliable, dev tools a little outdated or difficult to use, graphics programming really challenging with mostly low color/res options, difficultly curve just a bit too high). Then some systems are too modern and meant more for IoT or electronics projects (RaspPi, Ard.). Most importantly, you kinda want to feel like your code is REALLY running on something and that you understand how it all works (hardware and all). I think the X16 really hits a sweet spot and there will be (and is) a community for it. I've had a blast coding for it. I made the Warlock's Dungeon game he briefly demoed and I learned a TON about lower level coding. I hadn't done much C in a while and certainly not for a 6502. It really made me appreciate every bit and byte being used and how to be efficient. This has helped me in my day job working with higher level languages more than I could have imagined. I couldn't be happier with this system and I thank David a ton for making this happen.
@jvburnes5 ай бұрын
Have you run OS9 or Flex on it? How hard would it be to add 6309 instructions?
@jvburnes5 ай бұрын
This needs to run DEFENDER :)
@jvburnes5 ай бұрын
Has this been synthesized on Altera yet? Maybe Cyclone V?
@Galaga78006 ай бұрын
This is all so amazing! Thanks to everyone who helps with this project. I could spend the rest of time just exploring with my FujiNet. Side note... the person commenting on this being the "ultimate multicart" at 43:14 sounds an awful lot like Kay Savetz from the Antic podcast... Edit: Should've watched until the end before commenting. Turns out Kay is in the room so, it probably was!
@CityXen6 ай бұрын
Cool!
@retrotechnerd6 ай бұрын
The host is dressed in pretty much the same outfit I wear to bed. Must have taken him a while to pick out his best white undershirt to be immortalized on KZbin. Props to the Mac girl for being the best dressed person on the panel.
@thefurthestmanfromhome11486 ай бұрын
Fantastic, when you combine her talk with interviews with DK 2600 coder, Dan Kitchen, we can at least try and stop the spread of false information that Colecovision deliberately sabotaged the Intellivision and 2600 versions of games.
@Retroman80006 ай бұрын
Murray sits like an idiot.....
@RockwellAIM656 ай бұрын
What we really _needed_ was a portable machine like the Trs-80 Model 100 but of course you didn't give us what we asked for so... now we have nothing. Thanks but no thanks. I mean I'm happy for you but sheesh- this could have been a really great dffort instead of a mediocre effort.
@MudSluggerBP4 ай бұрын
I’d like to see the one you’ve built …. I’ll wait 😂😂
@WilliamHostman6 ай бұрын
SBasic for CP/M was out in like 1981... I never got the hang of it, but it shipped with the KayPro II... label based no-line-numbers compiled basic.
@mrnelgin6 ай бұрын
Thanks for demoing End Of The Line BBS. If you had poked around, under Text Files, there's "Art Packs" at the bottom with several gigabytes of ANSI files.
@VCFSW5 ай бұрын
EOTL is one of our favorites too. <3
@8-bitwallofdoom6 ай бұрын
Just getting to this video! Nice job Boisy; I could tell there was lots of interest and hopefully a ground swell of interested parties for the K2. NitrOS-9 is indeed the OS that every piece of hardware dreams about; I'm glad that we have it on the Foenix platform. Thank you for this body of work.
@MYJ616 ай бұрын
WOW! Do I feel old now. Two of us started our county school’s computer club with a sponsor teacher using a teletype machine and a 300baud acoustical modem. No floppy drive, our programs were on yellow perforated paper tape (perf tape).
@WilliamHostman6 ай бұрын
I'd seen at least one vid of each panel member except the moderator... The ones I'm subscribed to are 8-Bit Guy (and his now defunct 8-Bit Keys), Usagi-sama ;), Action Retro, Adrian (I and II), and I think I subscribed to Mac Librarian last week... I've watched a lot of LGR... but never subscribed. (Sorry Clint, most of your vids are of things I have no nostalgia for)... I also sub Techmoan, Tech Tangents, 8-Bit Show & Tell, and a couple other tech youtubers... And like with Clint/LGR, I watch some Nostalgia Nerd and MVG, but much of it I skip. Man, it's great to hear ll the good stuff in this... And I need to figure out when and where the meetups are in Portland.
@Atari.Geezer6 ай бұрын
I heard Kevin talking about the radio card, would like to know more about it as to what radio module it uses... Am I the only one who is interested in it???
@MrYossarianuk6 ай бұрын
I think you should do all c64 games...
@T.E.S.S.6 ай бұрын
20 minutes in and wondering when you'll allow Kate to speak
@TheSulross6 ай бұрын
The breadth of computing devices that Tandy/Radio Shack offered is indeed astounding
@alexshadowfax11196 ай бұрын
Awesome presentation Jeff, I think you gave non viewers of the show a good idea of what to expect when they tune in.
@Dsun44566 ай бұрын
Looking forward to that upcoming Baby Pac-Man restoration video from Time Rift Arcade. I played it one time at a Showbiz Pizza way back in the 80's, but was to young to understand how it worked.
@ericgillespie40626 ай бұрын
3:23 "It might be a year or two off because part of this was written with ChatGPT because why not?" Laughing off potential criticism of language model usage while also blaming it for any inaccuracies... classic!
@ericgillespie40626 ай бұрын
Come on, repeat the audience questions!
@CityXen6 ай бұрын
Wish we could have made it to this VCF. Maybe next year!
@TeDiouS10016 ай бұрын
After missing out, I appreciate all these being shared. Thanks to vcfsw and the x16 teams!
@UXXV6 ай бұрын
Mul Tim etir? Multi meter ?
@AlexElectronics6 ай бұрын
I always say multi-meter since it’s a meter that can measure multiple things, but I just looked it up and apparently the “proper” pronunciation is mul-tim-eter. So it looks like Will was pronouncing it correctly in his part of the presentation, and I was saying it wrong in my part! But I’ll still probably stick with multi-meter, even if it’s technically wrong, just because I think it better emphasizes the function of the meter as a device that can measure multiple quantities.
@UXXV6 ай бұрын
@@AlexElectronics turns out the British and American pronunciations are different! Another one to add to the solder router and aluminium pile!
@AlexElectronics6 ай бұрын
@@UXXV Interesting!
@av_oid6 ай бұрын
Good discussion. Like many on the panel my first computer was also a Vic20, but the computer I had the longest as a kid was an Apple IIc, which from memory is the last computer Steve Jobs launched before he was kicked out by the board.
@HeyBirt6 ай бұрын
Prototype of ABC was done in 1939.
@blodyholy_6 ай бұрын
There will definitely be a market for current tech in the retro market in say 30+ years; just like tech from 30+ years ago is now.
@chronologicallygaming6 ай бұрын
Thank you VCFSW! Had a blast and you all rock!
@Soso-km8er6 ай бұрын
ATARI ST and Amiga had some great Basics, first and foremost GFA-Basic and Omikron-Basic. They were so powerful and easy to use that regular people made amazing programs with these, just like it was intended by Kemeny and Kurtz.
@johnjoyce6 ай бұрын
There is no C# in Apple platforms…
@lsdowdle6 ай бұрын
It would be amazing if we could get a MiSTer FPGA core for the Commander X16.
@Ehurst015 ай бұрын
I believe there is one in development
@ClausB2526 ай бұрын
Got to use a 4052 at college in 1979. Fun!
@Gary_Hun6 ай бұрын
Even if someone's questioning the legitimacy of such a project / product, it still should be universally agreed on within the community, both in the 8bitguy's, and retro computing overall, that it is fun and interesting to witness how such a thing gets designed and built. I don't get the verbal blank staring naggers, how are you not interested in getting a first hand view of how a computer becomes a reality?
@Gary_Hun6 ай бұрын
I believe it is fun throwing around "an 8bit computer wow!", but isn't it a bit of a stretch to say? How exactly is this just an 8bit computer, down to some very fundamental level? Because if there can be Sega Mega Drive killer games, and all sorts of productivity software with nice interfaces, seriously how or why is it 8 bit? Is it ridiculously limited in how much memory it can address? Or how precise numbers it can do math with? What?..
@MikkoVuohi6 ай бұрын
It has an 8-bit CPU with an 8-bit memory bus.
@Gary_Hun6 ай бұрын
Why would anybody become nostalgic about a modern phone, these are hardware coming as regularly and inconsequentially as software updates... besides, they have become way over complicated, their inner workings inaccessible, crappily constructed glued trash, and just overall shallow super fast and therefore boring devices. And EVERYTHING one could love on them is a service now. And said services are tuned to give you an interest rush for 3.2seconds tops. Blurgh...
@Gary_Hun6 ай бұрын
3:12 - He was a guest when it was chronologically appropriate to your channel, now he is irrelevant. Seriously, i've known of Chronologically Gaming for an entire 2 minutes, and i know his shtick better than he does. These ARE just random misfits from all over the world, with cute animals and a computer in the background somewhere! What a fail.
@ASBO_LUTELY6 ай бұрын
As a brit I only know LGR, 8 bit guy and Adrian's digital basement.
@av_oid6 ай бұрын
Where is Nostalgia Nerd is what I was thinking :).
@VCFSW5 ай бұрын
We try to include as many of the celebrities as possible while also giving some exposure to up-and-coming channels. If Nostalgia Nerd was at the show and we were aware of it then we might have been able to make it happen, but alas we are not aware if they attended.
@limabravo00016 ай бұрын
Incredible nerd power in one room. My fave is Adrian. I enjoy watching him sound all technical and knowledgeable, and watch him not fix computers after multiple hour multiple spanning videos. I always end up saying "Goodness."