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@didierdamas 2 күн бұрын

Gigantesque prouesse, travail, talent, !!! Completion magistrale... Bravos !!!

@Boltogenta 12 күн бұрын

Good afternoon, Sebastien. Is this a suggestion for the missing music (the coda)? Or would it play another role in the Finale? Thank you in advance.

@Tracotel 12 күн бұрын

Likely for the coda, but unconvincing and without the slightest evidence from Bruckner's hand... => Max Graf wrote after consulting some hypothetically lost manuscripts of Bruckner's Finale to the 9th Symphony in possession of Franz Schalk that there was "a 'Haupthema' (whether the first or the fourth movement's is unclear but most probably the first), a 'Fugenthema' (certainly the Finale's Fugue), a 'Choral' (also certainly the Finale's) and the 'Quintenthema' of the Te Deum and once these four themes are even combined all together (übereinandergestellt), there is a quadruple superposition (eine vierfache Thürmung) as we find at the end of the Eighth Symphony." Max Graf was a music critic and Max Auer, who also mentioned the same combination (probably repeating what he read from Graf), was a dilettante only. One can reasonably say that both these "amateurs" should not be considered as critical or musicological researchers. However, having no satisfaying alternative, the idea of a "Halleluja" theme culminating with a superposition of the four main themes of the symphony remains for me the most structurally convincing and the most musically effective possibility. Two other combinations, presented here, that use the Te Deum motive, the chorale, the first movement's main theme and the fugue theme from the Finale as described by Graf/Auer have been easily realized but have been discarded because they are musically unsatisfaying.

@timzawicki8946 14 күн бұрын

Why hasn’t this become part of the regular repitoire ala Janacek Sinfonetta, Bartokj Concerto?

@Tracotel 13 күн бұрын

There is often a certain contempt towards English music. Vaughan Williams suffers from the same kind of unjustified underrating.

@wftjet 15 күн бұрын

You can hear how Christmas carols like In dulci jubilo come from this style

@crrkleven 24 күн бұрын

"Alright class, what letter comes after U?" 0:00

@gabrielzachmann9332 Ай бұрын

Einfach cool, dieser roh-kultivierte historische Sound

@republiccooper Ай бұрын

Is it so hard to play at this tempo? It sounds playable. 🫤

@MichaelConwayBaker Ай бұрын

A wonderful Symphony chock full of great ideas skillfully presented. Fantastic performance by the LPO. A masterpiece!

@Lol-xs8or 2 ай бұрын

wanted to kill myself the entire time i was listening to this.

@dennisdrud2078 2 ай бұрын

Beautiful symphony. Especially the second part. Here again Bernstein interpretes the best version of this symphony. It is simply moving in all ways. Lenny we miss you !!

@andreasraab5294 2 ай бұрын

Sehr erfrischend. No material girl in a material world.

@andreasraab5294 2 ай бұрын

Aha. Wie konnte mir so was entgehen? Offensichtlich eine recht bedeutende Errungenschaft der Musikgeschichte. Na, da hab ich was entdecken dürfen. Der Schluss ist ja noch besser als die Überraschungen zuvor. Ich kannte dieses Stück bislang gar nicht. Und freilich kenne ich es noch lange nicht. Ich bin gespannt darauf, wie sich mein Verhältnis zu ihm entwickeln wird. Sehr gut. Richtig gut.

@mr-wx3lv 3 ай бұрын

The performance is exciting, but the recording is poor, sounds like it's recorded in a biscuit box... sorry but thanks for uploading it..

@Tracotel 3 ай бұрын

That's a radio recording.

@OtherSideOfTheVoid 4 ай бұрын

legend of legends

@andreapandypetrapan 4 ай бұрын

Sir Arnold Bax inhabits another planet of Mahlerian orchestral complexity, deployed in the service of crashing, turbulent, "Irish Atlantic" madness! Hypnotic, shattering, transcendental and exhausting. Like erotic ecstatic love taken to galactic dimensions. Like meeting and being seduced by Kali Ma and Aphrodite! At the end, ones soul and heart are thrown to the floor, like a rag doll enticed and exalted and dispensed with, by all the goddesses of Olympus and the Hindu Mythology. Thus one but only one of the pervading sensuous-emotional motifs is the sense of unconstrained erotic absorption with the divine, in a mode that our rather precarious ego-perspectives are not constructed to handle with balance, and then devasting disconnection from such absolute love. What would we feel if we could preview that transition - terror, or yearning and yearning for more? In effect, it is what would happen if all the barriers between our ego-perspective and the "polychromatic heavens" of our collective unconsciousness were unlocked! What Freud referred to as the "oceanic feeling", and Huxley discusses in "The Doors of Perception". Repeatedly there are passages, especially in the 3rd movement, where Bax gets dangerously close to achieving that. Vide 36:45 . An extraordinary hyper-Brucknerian moment! A breath-taking combination of irresistible seduction, dismantling of the ego, unbridled trepidation, and erotic absolutism! And those are merely the first layer of feelings I can conceptualise into English! Bax must have been running on technical-compositional-autopilot at that moment, whilst out of his mind, in order to transcribe such a polyphony of feelings! Buddhism, and the branch of bourgeois psychodynamics concerned with attachment theory and object relations, have much to say about this burning level of existence, besides which everything else seems subsidiary and etiolated. So did Wagner in Tristan und Isolde; and at the end of Gotterdammerung, when Brunhild thirsts to be re-joined with her seemingly dead lover, by leaping through the transforming fire into the "world consciousness" of the Rhine. This is what music of supreme genius can achieve. Unbelievable! Love andrea

@burton48 4 ай бұрын

This is a fantastic composition. In following the atonal parts, it is as if Prokofiev says, "So you want lush and harmonic, okay, so here it is." This is then followed by the most the most beautiful strains of music one could ever imagine hearing.

@cabanelthierry9050 4 ай бұрын

voila un homme !

@MatteoPizzarello 4 ай бұрын

I would liek to use this for a hsort film for a competition do you know who should I ask for the copyright permission?

@raphaelfournier8273 4 ай бұрын

C'est fantastique. Quel sens du phrasé, des équilibres entre pupitres et des tempi ! Vraiment grand. Merci de la découverte.

@markokassenaar4387 4 ай бұрын

Wow, how Tennstedt plays the 'Alma'-theme in a shamelessly slower tempo works phenomenally! What a simple yet brilliant move

@raphaelfournier8273 4 ай бұрын

Racée, volcanique, cette 3e nous tient en haleine du début à la fin.

@ZotVanBelgie-jn7oz 4 ай бұрын

I have a theory ... I think Beethoven first wrote C and not C crossed and quarter note 138 then Beethoven changed it from C to C crossed and he changed the note value as well (no longer quarter note) but by doing this he didn't realize he basically sped up the tempo by two that's my best guess of what could have gone wrong here...

@STEPHANM0ELLER 4 ай бұрын

Beethoven was not an idiot!

@ZotVanBelgie-jn7oz 4 ай бұрын

@@STEPHANM0ELLER no I agree but he was very musical and we seriously can doubt about if this composition is still musical when we need to play it at that crazy fast speed we read in Beethoven's letter Vienna, april 16,1819 that he said about the first movement it's allegro only and the assai must be taken away this crazy tempo is even way faster than an allegro assai and the assai must be taken away so there is NO WAY in the world half note=138 is the right tempo now that does not mean that Wim Winters and the double beat theory is the explanation, it just means for some reason this half note 138 is a MISTAKE his other letter April 19,1819 he said I cannot conceive how so many faults got into the copy , Beethoven was no longer able to keep a copyist of his own the change is VERY high it's just a mistake

@ZotVanBelgie-jn7oz 4 ай бұрын

the chance*

@ZotVanBelgie-jn7oz 4 ай бұрын

@@STEPHANM0ELLER On the other hand did you know that the first chords of the first movement of opus 106 literally means vivat vivat Rudolphus it was fanfare theme so the question here we need to solve is how fast was a fanfare in the 19th century we all know this powerful royal sound of trumpets playing for the King etc ...

@tonythetrulypuffy2258 4 ай бұрын

Much more appropriate than any other versions I've listened. ^o^

@jjjj-lu3zx 5 ай бұрын

⚜️♥️⚜️

@Tonarinotoro 5 ай бұрын

1:10:26 1st hammer 1:15:40 2nd hammer

@Vaquero_Reducks 6 ай бұрын

Awesome performance, good sounding recording - thanks so much for uploading! There is another Tennstedt in-concert recording of the Sixth with the New York Philharmonic from 1986 ( I believe). That's an outstanding, blistering performance, leading me to wonder if the present one could match up. By 1991, Tennstedt had already had his first bout with cancer.... and I'm not sure if his first hip replacement was before or after this time.... suffice it to say his health was not good. But you sure wouldn't know that on the evidence of this LPO Sixth! Just brilliant, powerful, intense, and, well.... Tragic. On a side note, I like that Tennstedt retains the Scherzo-Slow Movement arrangement of the two inner movements. More and more conductors nowadays (2023-24) are flipping them, based on documentary evidence of that being Mahler's final preference...... but it just doesn't work for me. We need the semi-repose of the Adagio to give us a break before that crushing finale.

@leestamm3187 6 ай бұрын

As a longtime Tennstedt fan, I heartily concur. If you are interested, there is an excellent biography available, written by the German documentary specialist Georg Wübbolt. All aspects of his turbulent life are covered in detail, augmented by many photos never seen elsewhere. I highly recommend it to any Tennstedt fan. As regards the order of movements; I've been a Mahler devotee for more than 50 years and I've found no conclusive evidence that he ever expressed a final decision about it. He conducted only 3 performances the 6th, all within the space of 8 months between May of 1906 and January of 1907, and never again thereafter. Alma relates that he ultimately preferred the Scherzo-Andante order, the veracity of which depends on how much trust one puts in her. It's been my observation that the degree to which people accept Alma's recollections depends largely on whether they agree with them or not. Personally, I think a composer of Mahler's genius ultimately would have put the Andante in 3rd position for exactly the reason you suggest. It simply works better that way.

@CaradhrasAiguo49 6 ай бұрын

Zander attempts to follow the MM=69 1st theme group and MM=60 2nd theme group metronome indications in a live performance in Boston in Oct 2021

@danielalexander5693 6 ай бұрын

Merci à Ronald Brautigam pour son excellente intégrale à mon avis la meilleure en tout cas sur instruments d’époque ! Mais peut- OM encore jouer Beethoven sur instruments modernes après avoir entendu cela ?

@STEPHANM0ELLER 4 ай бұрын

Oui, on peut faire cela!

@W.H.V. 7 ай бұрын

The Christmas spirit just isn't complete without it

@francoiscouture2011 7 ай бұрын

THIS is THE Mahler 6th! 1991 we are now 2023…the world is changing….no one has time anymore to LISTEN……….TAKE the TIME for slow mov at least…its the greatest music!

@JT29501 7 ай бұрын

How I wish every time I listen to the ninth, or go to see it performed, that this version was the 'standard' version instead of the boring, awkward and uninspired 'composition by committee' of the SPCM version.. the greatness of this is proof that when a work is being completed in such a way that requires new, speculative music instead of just orchestration/realisation, you MUST get a composer who can feel artistic inspiration and not a musicologist. It actually really disappoints me that top conductors like Rattle are fine with the other version, when ones like this exist. Surely if they heard this it would convert them on the spot! Out of interest, what do you think of the other completions, especially the codas? Are there others you like? For me yours is the best, I love the quotes from previous Brucknetr symphonies and the combination of the themes os very satisfying.

@jobstludwig6197 7 ай бұрын

Wunderbare, kraftvolle, inspirierte, geniale Musik. ❤❤❤

@edouardchan8719 8 ай бұрын

there is something cheeky, lively and witty about all this, makes me believe that the medieval man had a sense of musical humour

@1234MrShane 8 ай бұрын

I am not a fan of classical usually but this kicks ass

@shaunaluxova8983 9 ай бұрын

❤

@CaradhrasAiguo49 9 ай бұрын

12:39 6th Symphony Finale "flashback"

@Tracotel 9 ай бұрын

And "Aeterna fac cum sanctis tuis" from the Te Deum as well.

@ilirllukaci5345 10 ай бұрын

Complete revelation to me that Tennstedt was in Minneapolis then. Shit, when I was there, 11 years old. Goddammit, I bet I knew it. Damn. Damn.

@ilirllukaci5345 10 ай бұрын

And had to be Tracotel.

@denverattaway9895 10 ай бұрын

This as the musical masterpiece to the battle leading to the capture of Iserlon Fortress by the newly formed/cobbled together 9th Fleet of the Free Planet's Alliance under command of Newly promoted Rear Admiral Yang Wen Li who pulls off the greatest under dog victory with predictive anticipatory guile.......this piece is among the most breath taking musical choreographies ever that has stuck with me ever since I first saw it almost 2 decades ago.

@teddy-elio 11 ай бұрын

Δεν είναι μουσική!!! Διάφοροι ήχοι ατάκτως ερριμμένοι!!!

@Nesher92 11 ай бұрын

The whole composition is a masterpiece...but the choir at the beggining of the Sanctus is of some otherworldy beauty

@felixlehwalder2758 11 ай бұрын

So wie es nur ein wahrer Mahler Interpret mit allem persönlichem Leid und Liebe zeigen kann ...einzigartig...ein Erlebnis ...mir fehlen die Worte

@felixlehwalder2758 11 ай бұрын

Und sehr traurig

@felixlehwalder2758 11 ай бұрын

Niederschmetternd

@francescoborghini7669 Жыл бұрын

Ha avuto una gran fortuna ad avere dalla sua un cantante così talentuoso!! Certo gli ha proprio chiesto una prova estrema con tutti quei sovracuti!!... In ogni modo, ben fatto, complimenti!!

@francescoborghini7669 Жыл бұрын

Questi neoclassici!! Ne sanno una più del diavolo!!!

@bernardparret3191 Жыл бұрын

It's a pity you don't mention the name of the painter !

@danieleleoneleone9434 Жыл бұрын

Geni musicali infinitamente grandi

@philruane5910 Жыл бұрын

At what church/cathedral were the accompany photos taken? Thanks.

@Liam-vu6uv 7 ай бұрын

Notre Dame in Paris France

@didierleroy6348 Жыл бұрын

Exceptionnel et flamboyant à souhait 41:13

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