Haydn - Symphony 101 "The Clock" - Sir Roger Norrington

[@RB-fp5tx]

Great!!!

[@HeelPower200]

Since you are Bruckner expert,I was wondering if you can find Piano/organ/chamber music transcriptions for any of the symphonies. I am aware of a chamber version of the 7th and the piano arrangement of 3rd.I am interesting in every transcription for the symphonies ,but I can't find any performances.

[@Tracotel]

I am not aware of any other chamber music transcription of one of Bruckner's symphony? There are also some organ transcriptions (6th, 7th, 8th symphonies), but I do not find these arrangements particularly convincing.

[@HeelPower200]

I am just so disappointed! I would love to be able to hear Bruckner 5th finale on a small scale or piano arrangement of the 8th. It just helps me make sense of the structure in some ways. This might too much to ask ,but do you think you will able to make any lectures about Bruckner like you did on the finale of the 9th ? I really enjoyed you going in depth and showing us the thematic material of the movement.I wish there was something like that for every symphony.

[@Tracotel]

The two piano reduction of the 5th symphony already exists, it was realized by the Schalk brothers and performed before the composer, but I do not know any recording of it? Maybe just looking on the abruckner.com website, I am just discovering this: www.abruckner.com/store/abrucknercomexclus/abrucknercomcds/symphony_no_8/

[@Tracotel]

"I wish there was something like that for every symphony." It is a great idea, indeed. Let me seriously think about that. :-)

[@Tracotel]

www.abruckner.com/recordings/Abruckner.com+BSVD-0115Symphony+No.+5+in+B+Flat+Major/notestest.htm

[@knudbalandis9757]

interesting approach. but sounds unemotional and awkward.

[@Tracotel]

Haydn's music is not particularly "emotional". Why do you expect to find some Mahler or Tchaïkovsky in Haydn?

[@knudbalandis9757]

@@Tracotel i do not miss the mahler here- miss sensuality and a certain feeling for elastic time signature. other historically informed performances provide exactly just that. this recording sounds overall too driven. i miss some of the beauty and transcendence hadyns musiyc provides the potential for.

[@Tracotel]

@@knudbalandis9757 This is probably more a question of tempo and orchestra sound. Maybe will you more appreciate Brüggen's recordings? Haydn was not looking for lyricism or expressiveness, but for rhetoric discourse.

[@knudbalandis9757]

@@Tracotel i guess we will not know, what hadyn was really thinking. the different circumstances of that time can just be fantazised about, concerning musicmaking, and even say mere existance. he was surely researching new ways of musical expression. i do think, he would have greeted all the possibilities music has today. still i consider him as a sensual explorer of sounds - the effects and orchestrations applied are not mindplay. musical rhetoric and overall sound can not be viewed separately in my view. just to spell or phrase will not substitute for an actually spoken language. yup, this is probably, what bugs me about the streamed recording. i remember the brüggen recording and found it outstanding. i just replayed a little, since it is on youtube. i do not find the sound of the classical players pleasing, that is true. but the key point is the pacing and lacking preparation towards climaxes. in the 80sof the 20th century there were more orchestras just trying to cope with hip, thus technically not very good. many still found a way to grip me. this is not the case here. i will listen to norringtons re release of late hadyn with the rsos - a very good orchestra, that had him as a conductor, when i was living in south germany.

[@Tracotel]

@@knudbalandis9757 "but the key point is the pacing and lacking preparation towards climaxes." You need to be more specific. Could you point out a precise passage?