Great video Matt. As someone who is 6’5” I actually prefer sleeping in the BA old club seats without a foot coffin so will opt for those on a night flight but Club Suites always for a day flight
@MattsPlanet23 сағат бұрын
For those of us in "tall club" the old seats aren't terrible... Having a well trained bladder helps too with those window seats....
@oblongmusic3389Күн бұрын
So if a flight to Saudi is part ‘wet’ and part ‘dry’ , could it be called a ‘damp’ flight ? Or even a ‘moist’ flight ?😅😅.. I’ll get my coat .. 😬
@MattsPlanet23 сағат бұрын
Soggy?
@kevanhubbard9673Күн бұрын
It was very hard to visit Saudi Arabia before unless it was for work reasons . Depending on where you consider the Arabian Peninsula as ending at the north end,are Jordan and Syria on it?,the only one that is really hard to visit now is Yemen.
@MattsPlanet23 сағат бұрын
I'd say Jordan and Syria aren't Arabian... Which leaves 7 Arabian countries by my count
@stevecraven3502Күн бұрын
Matt. A nice if not awkward step back in time with those seats. That was my very first business class upgrade 20 ish years ago. I'm. with you and Phil on BA's idea of service. They just don't seemed to have learned from what their main competitors are doing. OR, they see themselves as the main company out of London and other places in the world and look at it as, people are flying with us in business class and above no mater how we serve our nuts and our meals. so why add the extra expense and effort.😔☹. I'm with you on the Cognac front. I really do wish BA would bring back a decent Cognac to their lounges and to their business class cabins. Maybe you could start a petition and we could all sign it.👍😁. Keep it going love the vlogs and the information they provide, thanks. Have you ever done anything on Chicago? flying there in May 25. Steve. C. YNWA. P.S. How are you in yourself now after your issues? hope all's clear.
@MattsPlanetКүн бұрын
Cheers Steve. Still got it but still not too bothered by it... Been to Chicago a few times - boiling in summer and frigid in winter but lots to see and do - a really fun city
@Thomas-s1d2mКүн бұрын
To my understanding there is strong roomers of the Gatwick 777 fleet being replaced by a new order of A350-900s. Which will also replace the 3-class 777s at LHR.
@MattsPlanetКүн бұрын
That would be good, but it will take years for them to show up if the order is yet to be placed....
@ukdavepianomanКүн бұрын
Excellent video as ever. I agree the old seats were innovative 20-25 years ago, but now they are a bit of an embarrassment. I do the same - pick a seat that doesn't require clambering over anyone which I can do for free as Gold/Silver but for others it's a £90 cost or so :( I've found the food in BA Club World/Suites to be excellent. Looking forward to your Saudi report. I've been there 3 times - interesting country, very friendly people but not being able to drink with dinner was a pain; I think Saudi will change this (much as UAE did ~40 years ago) - it will just take time.
@MattsPlanetКүн бұрын
Indeed - from what people on the ground were saying, it may not take that long to change....
@ukdavepianomanКүн бұрын
@@MattsPlanet I think it has to as when the oil runs out, what then? Saudi has to start attracting tourists. This is where UAE were quite visionary.
@robertmay7331Күн бұрын
So glad you found Neddy! 🐴. I have 186K of Aviooo's , 2 companion vouchers, and a dream to go to Costa Rica next year, but no plan as I don't know what to do with this stuff. 😭
@MattsPlanetКүн бұрын
New York is always a safe bet, which gets you 60% of the way there.... Mexico city is usually a good bet too....
@hughjaars2285Күн бұрын
Agree re the Brandy - no demand I was told.
@MattsPlanetКүн бұрын
They didn't ask me!!! Or you by the sounds of it
@christuck-n7eКүн бұрын
i flew out of Jeddah back in the early 80's on BA and it was dry until in the air. Wouldnt go back
@MattsPlanetКүн бұрын
Same today! Although Jeddah has changed a lot...
@craigekaye6720Күн бұрын
I'm so confused, how do you find out if its "Old" club or the "New" club BA seats? I fly next week and I'm just wondering. Thanks,
@MattsPlanetКүн бұрын
The equipment type will probably give it away - I think only the 787-8 is part converted.... Or the seatplan in BA or Expertflyer will show the different seat layouts
@craigekaye6720Күн бұрын
@ just checked thankfully on a newer one 😅
@Tom-ih8grКүн бұрын
Odd none of the 3 middle seats were sold. I find these really good for sleeping, you get significantly more shoulder space than the middle seats on an aircraft with an even number of seats per row. Definitely worth trying if you can tolerate the trapeze artist act to get to the loo. I’m a whisker under 6’2” and have the shoulders of someone that height and it’s better for me.
@MattsPlanetКүн бұрын
That's a good point actually as you would get those inserts on both sides from your neighbour's leg area narrowing.... I'm tempted to give one a try one day, although my videos really do benefit from the window views...
@tedn68552 күн бұрын
It is my favorite airline. Great service and great food.
@MattsPlanetКүн бұрын
I just wish they'd launch a long-haul fleet and service further afield....
@maxthelab84572 күн бұрын
BA roster tatty old bangers on these sorts of route due to the demographic that is most likely to be on board ( as seen ) i.e. - they aren't particularly fussy about how they treat things, especially other people's. So - give them something they can't really wreck any further - wise advice, oft heard in China. Also since most routes out of Gatwick are leisure, passengers will continue to be expected to put up with the old tatty dirty crabby CW cabin. The old CW cabin I find horrific - the chances of being labelled a bloody nuisance mid-flight as you attempt to clamber over the aisle passenger without waking them, looking at them, or inadvertently giving them a quick thrill in your PJ's as your sagging tackle glances a cheeky rub on their protruding lump is almost nil ( although I have heard that some folk have met their life partners that way! ). Personally, I much prefer the isolation of the new CS or better still First ( my usual parking spot ).
@MattsPlanetКүн бұрын
You paint a vivid picture! But I'm sure all of that happens regularly!
@maxthelab8457Күн бұрын
@@MattsPlanet I was once on a flight with my Mum out to Singapore. It was in the 90's when business class was a twin armchair affair 2-2-2. I got a window seat and my mum was on the aisle. The bloke across the aisle was a Dutch bloke ( a timber trader as it went ) and he spent half the flight chatting my mum up and asked if she'd like to carry on to Indonesia with him. At one point he reclined his chair and it was obvious he had a raging rush of blood going on, most likely for my mum's benefit. She got off the plane in Singapore and spent the week with me at Raffles. We did giggle.
@LeonidasC2 күн бұрын
Thanks for the review as always. A correction Matt Only 2 x 787-8 have CS G-ZBJA & G-ZBJB so far. None of the 787-9s and all 11 x 787-10s are equipped with CS (last delivered G-ZBLK)
@MattsPlanetКүн бұрын
It wouldn't be a Matt's Planet video without an error! It must have first been scheduled on a 787-10 rather than -9...
@fastoez2 күн бұрын
i found the little three way bread quite nice, but i do prefer when they used to bring a basket of warm breads for u to choose from, the nut thing grinds my gears and it's not hard to jazz up the table service! Dont get me started on the pointless mattress topper! i mean who the hell is in charge of these things, useless and pointless,
@MattsPlanetКүн бұрын
I'm with you! I think the bread on that day had been over-warmed so it was dry and crusty...
@aletrailvid2 күн бұрын
When travelling as a couple I don't really mind these ying/yang seats as long as I nab the pairs next to the windows. Flew LHR-SYD on an Avios redemption in August, I felt they had more space to 'live in' on that long flight compared to the Club Suites.
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Good point about long flights, although the storage in the club suite would probably swing it for me
@aletrailvid2 күн бұрын
@@MattsPlanet Upstairs in the A380 has those handy under window lockers... or mobile phone take-off slides, as I like to call them 🙂
@GLAFly2 күн бұрын
Great video, as always mate. I think you may have missed your true calling as a shadow puppeteer! (Not sure if you're a Terry Pratchett fan, but "do the deformed rabbit" next time)! 😉
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
My list of talents is lengthy.... Who am I kidding???
@orcaswaling11432 күн бұрын
May I ask what camera you were using when you were checking in with the agent as she did not seem to recognise the camera??
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
I use a DJI Osmo Action 4, which I clip to my backpack strap so its black on black... Its probably 50:50 as to whether people notice it.... Its more noticeable in profile as it sticks out a bit!
@obamtl2 күн бұрын
Well-held champagne flute, Matt!
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
I've been practising!
@ibnaqeelaqeel5882 күн бұрын
Some misinformation exists, such as if you are born in Israel, you can’t go to Saudi Arabia. Only Israeli passport holders can’t enter due to the lack of diplomatic relations between the two countries.
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
I think Israelis can get a visa these days?
@AftabKhan-yq5sk2 күн бұрын
Hi Matt, Excellent video as always. I get the feeling the club dormitory might start becoming fashionable and a collectors item as it becomes rare 😂! … . By the way greetings from Brussels airport ( excellent alternative to some mega hubs) where I’m travelling Qatar BC to Dubai ( via Alsafwa) 😊. Good job I listened to your advise and allowed lots of time for re-positioning as BA cancelled on me from LHR yesterday .. I am doing VS upper return to LHR so let’s see if they have listened to your recent very correct observations on the remarkable fall in service and food standards onboard.I am more of a VS fan at heart than you so would like them to improve!
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
That's quite a trip! BRU is a good airport....
@speedendurance2 күн бұрын
So there is no way a couple can sit face-to-face AND not bother anyone when getting up AND nobody bothering them when they get up.
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Nope!
@phil_nicholls2 күн бұрын
When travelling with the family, I actually prefer this style Club seat to the new cubicles… far more sociable…. Also, I’ve found the new cubicles to be a bit limiting when sleeping, as a side sleeper, it’s difficult to find enough room for my knees - not enough room to bend the legs - again, these seats win…. However, the new cubicles TV is better, and there is certainly more privacy, and access to the aisle directly is a plus… So it really comes down to whether I’m travelling solo, then cubicle wins, - or plus one or more, then the old style wins… As far as lockable window blinds go… Being able to prevent the odd passenger from ruining everyone’s sleep by having their blind open is a plus in my book… though I accept that some crew are too quick to employ this feature to try and get everyone to sleep maybe? And so have an easier time? 🤷🏼♂️
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Excellent points... I find the club suite has knee space when you lay on one side but not the other.... So if you know which side you usually sleep on, you can pick a seat that fits!!! And someone is only going to ruin sleep if they open windows when its daylight - when people shouldn't be sleeping anyway... What about the passenger trying to get their biorhythms in synch by absorbing daylight??? A bit of a simplification, but you get the point!
@user-pi2nl6iu2n2 күн бұрын
This is the review I’ve been looking for!
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Even if one of the lounges immediately closed!!! Its replacement is even better though.... Talking about the Schengen one...
@johngartside7492 күн бұрын
On a recent Manchester LHR flight both my wife’s and my bags were security checked. We are reasonably experienced and do not normally experience this. I commented to my wife that it appeared to be a quota system. However agree that the staff were friendly and chatty. So on one level no problem apart from an 8 minute delay. I have had a hip operation and this is the ONLY airport I have to consistently take off my shoes to be checked. Far better at American airports. Also do not need to take out iPads etc in JFK, Boston, Washington. All visited within 12 months.
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
It's all wildly random isn't it... I recently did a trip and pretty much every check-point demanded something different...
@adamgibson71812 күн бұрын
Love your videos. Really helping me progress towards gold status. However, bare socks in the toilet is a wild decision! Lol
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Socks and airline socks over the top.... Still probably not ideal, I will concede!
@GavTheFlyGuy2 күн бұрын
Loving the vid Matt, I'm really not a fan of the Old club seats, I think they do look very dated with all the new wonderful business seats now out there. It is still cool however, to face backwards during the take off, I don't think I'll ever get used to the different sensation
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Been a while since I flew backwards and I'd sort of forgotten about it until we shot off down the runway and I did have a very weird moment when I remembered that this was a bit different!!!
@Traumahawk0072 күн бұрын
About to do rtn leg HKG-LHR all 15 hours on 787-9 old CW, totally agree with everything you say. I’m in row10 isle tonight which I’ve done on way here. I actually think the seat is more comfortable for sleeping than new Club Suite which seems narrower and boxes in your legs
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
I agree about the sleeping point - no foot cubby and a bit more space at the knees. Hope it went well
@jon-ie4li3 күн бұрын
BA are a joke.
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Can't agree with that I'm afraid...
@trimley3 күн бұрын
Always a like Matt - my question on blanking out crew faces - do you do this as a matter of courtesy or have you been asked to?
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Courtesy. I've never had an issue when I haven't and very occasionally I get chatting and someone is happy to be shown.... I generally obscure crew and passengers on a plane as its more of a private space, but tend not to for check-in agents who work in publicly accessible spaces.... Unless they're awful and I criticise them, in which case I will obscure
@trimley2 күн бұрын
@ thanks Matt - all makes sense to me
@diamonddave26223 күн бұрын
I'm looking forward to flying to Riyadh to ride the world's largest roller-coaster when Six Flags Qiddiya opens
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Riyadh's ambition is quite staggering... A few years to wait though....
@thejetchannel3 күн бұрын
Royal Jordanian operate a 787 Dreamliner between Heathrow and Amman. For BA to use A320s is shocking. BA cannot possibly begin to even compete with Arabian or Asian carriers as it is way behind. The meal tray shown here in Club Europe ( Jordan is not even in Europe but hey) is roughly the same size as what Turkish Airlines offer in longhaul Economy. Shame on BA.
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
I have no inside info but BA retired 20+ 747s through the you-know-what then were surprised when demand kicked back up so quickly.... So as wide-bodies were constrained, the options were to run a narrow body to AMM and CAI or to cancel the service...
@da4803 күн бұрын
Had same thoughts once or twice about the nuts situation… There perhaps a team of cost cutting analysts at BA who are searching for high hanging fruit… 😁 when it’s in front of them.. And I don’t even buy an argument of dispensing nuts into ramekins being an additional duty for already reduced crew… BA still serves it in ramekins in First 🤷♂️
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
One commenter suggested it might help limit nut cross-contamination for the allergic... Which is a good point, although it would mean that other airlines aren't bothered, and indeed BA isn't bothered about nut allergies with its F customers!
@jimmyjames64923 күн бұрын
Get some cake in the lounge and pretend its the inaugural flight 🤣🤣🤣Thanks for the info + video!
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
You've gotta do what you've gotta do!!!!
@dospalmascb3 күн бұрын
Israel haven't stamped passports for many years, you now get a little blue ticket with your information on it, you have to keep it until you leave but nothing fixed in your passport.
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Indeed - I've heard that perhaps a Jordanian land entry stamp can give it away, although whether anyone is going to scrutinise stamps that closely is the question.... Although relations between Saudi and Israel have thawed - I believe there is a visa available for Israelis these days?
@internationAL213 күн бұрын
Another great video Matt. Your sharp whit is always a welcome reprieve from the mundane (“shadow puppetry?” Yes please!). I’ve actually flown BA’s awful old ClubWorld seat in the middle whilst trying desperately to avoid the glare of the two (equally uncomfortable) strangers staring back at me. It was the one and only time where I’d been upgraded…and,on balance, wish I hadn’t.
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Only BA can give you a seat so weird you'd wish you hadn't been upgraded!!!
@PeterMurray-ld6ci3 күн бұрын
Enjoy Saudi and the Middle East hospitality… looking forward to the next video.
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Thanks - it was an experience!
@PeterMurray-ld6ci2 күн бұрын
@ I hope in a good way! I spent the last 2 years working in Riyadh and did a few tier point trips to Sri Lanka and Bali as great flight times and convenient.
@Hazel-w2v3 күн бұрын
Great vlog . Agree with your comments but still better than having to fly economy 😊. Wish they would refit the 380’s
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Much better than economy!!! Heard some rumours that the A380s will be getting spruced up although it'll be a while off as the schedule can't cope with planes being taken out of service for refits right now
@Chris-MG793 күн бұрын
Hi there Matt. Long time watcher, first time commenter. How is seat 48 h and J on their 787? I’ve my first ever Dreamliner flight to NYC and first long haul ever coming up. Thank you
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Hi there. That would be a 787-10 - I'd be a bit worried about the loos right behind you and whether you'd get your choice of meal as you'd be served last.... Although NYC flights are often not full so you may have the chance to spread out a bit and the food may not be rationed... But getting a pair for the two of you is quite fun
@santstravels3 күн бұрын
Dining in the dark and no breakfast - great crew! 😂
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
I'd love to know if the dark bit is BA operating policy or if the crew were freestyling...
@santstravels2 күн бұрын
@@MattsPlanetI’ve been told by a trusted source that at the time you were flying the lights should have been on, albeit on a dim setting.
@craiggemmell45593 күн бұрын
The forward/backwards seats are not great especially when travelling alone, I was fortunate enough to be travelling with my wife so we were facing each other therefore could chat and enjoy a drink which was good.
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
That is an upside of the ying yang, although one of you will be stuck out in the aisle
@sarahsutton96803 күн бұрын
I have flown in the middle seat on the 787 as I was travelling solo and I loved it! Felt very secluded once the divider went up 😁 The meal service should absolutely have been done with the cabin lights up and I would’ve questioned why it wasn’t. I agree re the nuts. Such a shame when the small dishes of mixed nuts were stopped
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
I'm sort of intrigued by that middle middle seat now... When its 2-4-2 that middle pair can be quite cosy but on a 2-3-2 its very private
@sarahsutton96802 күн бұрын
@@MattsPlanet try it and at least you won’t have the window issue 😁
@olly76733 күн бұрын
Thanks for this Matt, all comments welcome for the YT algos and all that. A bit poor of BA to excite you with inaugural when it want so let us know their response please.
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Cheers Olly. I will let you all know - one way or another. If they respond of course... Some of my Patrons have contacts quite high up in BA so if the media team doesn't reply I do have other ways!
@tobymitchell26073 күн бұрын
Great video Matt!
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@johncallow51843 күн бұрын
I noticed they also give out those Belazu nut mixes on Club Europe flights, so maybe they get a bulk discount? 😂
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
I'm certain they wouldn't be on a BA plane if BA wasn't getting an excellent deal... At least by having the same packed on LH and SH planes, they don't have to spend extra money training the crew how to take them out of the box and put them on the tray when they change fleets...
@redcomusic3 күн бұрын
The ultimate harshest BA critic in history HAHAHA! These ones on BA are at least pod-like. Here in the US, we've got United and Hawaiian still sporting their old premium cabin (First/Business) product on some of their widebodies, which are those old 2-2-2 and 2-4-2 seats. In contrast, all of American's and Delta's widebody premiums are guaranteed lie-flat and pod-style.
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
There's still some really weird layouts in the States I believe - 2-4-2 but the seats face each other??? Weird....
@michaelj32823 күн бұрын
Getting into KSA, it's not Dubai. Weirdly KSA is the biggest export market for Johnny Walker Black.
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
It's not Dubai in many ways!!!! Yet....
@NonstopEurotrip3 күн бұрын
The huge fish tank in JED is the most amazing think I've ever seen at an airport (SIN excluded) - I stayed and looked at it for ages. I flew in to RUH from DOH with Saudia and with the free transit visa you mentioned, you also get a free hotel night, I chose the most expensive one on the list - a £300 a night suite. It cost more than the flights.
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Good stuff - I was focussed on getting to my hotel so did sort of skip past the fish tank (it is a good landmark though!!!) but looking at the footage it is quite special!
@HowardBobson3 күн бұрын
Been through Jeddah a few times for work via Qatar. Airport is amazing and can accommodate enormous demand for Haj pilgrims.
@MattsPlanet2 күн бұрын
Jeddah airport is indeed something else - a complete separate terminal for haj pilgrims I believe.... Riyadh take note!