I agree very much w what Jon said. We don't minimize or demonize the church role n work. Yet our serving is not limited in the church. Reach out, living out god's teaching in every day life, discipleship with all means. The Lord sees our whole life, our inner being, think, see and serve as the way Jesus does. He is our Lord, He is beyond n deeper than some good structures.

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Ministry for Baptist churches is doing the activities inside a particular organized church. For them, outside the organized church is not a ministry. Not all Christians have access to organized churches. We have already the King James Bible, and we can study and learn from it. If we tell the unsaved about the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, I believed this is Jesus ministry. Did anyone in our time talk to Jesus about His ministry? Why some pastors talked as if they are the ultimate source of information about God? Pastors like these are just fooling themselves.

There is one gauge of true Christian. A Christian who love Jesus and His word. Jesus is the God of order. Serving God outside the word of God is of the devil. Loving a pastor or church more than Jesus is idolatry.

Many pastors said that the position of a pastor is the highest calling from God. That's why even if not called by God to become a pastor they became one out of their own calling. If something wrong happened they blame God.

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Genuine and authintic worshiper,thats what God wants

Im fully convinced to his message,, it's all about Jesus, and at the end of our lives, the heart is all that matters,, It's a heart issue as we recognize each character in the bible😢,, . God search our heart thats why apostle Paul told us to examine our hearts 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

Hi Jon, Thank you for what you shared; it was very encouraging and reminded me of what the church and discipleship truly are. May the Holy Spirit continue to lead His people. Best regards, Ex-pastor wife from New Zealand,originally from Malaysia 😊

Seek HIM and KNOW HIM

Kudos to all 3 for opening up. I'm almost 70 years old. I believe we need to hear from this generation to know how to be of help to them and not push what we know down their throat. Their generation are well educated with plenty of knowledge available at their finger tips. Disciples of the Kingdom can be whatever the Lord wants then to be for His purpose and glory. Truth be told, not all spiritual leaders are disciples of the Kingdom. My encouragement to all 3 is this....press on to know the One True God and Jesus whom He sent and you will know how to live.... John 17:3, John 8:12. Be strong and courageous.

comments and positive feed back are very deceiving on KZbin...I have seen people teach false Christian information and the praise, confirmation and positive feedbacks were sky high....its very unreliable and sometimes a trap to want to make more content for reviews...but hope that is not you.

Maybe its because it wasn't cburch but a rock concert. Have eyes but dont see? Have ears but dont hear? God is spirit. And seeks those to worship him in spirit and truth. The flesh element is going to trip us up everytime but we dont do it with our own strength but TRUST IN HIS. The Bible is real. It needs to be read from a special place inside of ourselves. I cant believe how real it is. There are true believers of Jesus Christ in this world. Our Creator God designed it this way 🙏

I saw and watched this video partially long time ago. I'm in this moment right now. The ministry is overwhelming, it doesn't feel right. I feel like I'm becoming too 'religious'. I'm a teacher, singer, youth director, and a core leader in the church. I'm in this season of confusion. I prayed to God for what my next move is, but I can't seem to figure out what exactly He wants me to do, but I'm sure I'm off to the next season. That's what He says he's doing through His word. I know He wants me to take the next step, but I don't know the next step. After serving the church for about 13 years, I want to something more than these programs. They don't feel right within me. It's so hard, there's noone I can talk to about this as well. Thank you for this video.

i can relate to u. i left my church a few years ago bcos somehow God was speaking tomy heart like this..."are u going to spend the rest of your life sitting on that chair every Sunday morning? There's so much i want u to do." wow after that i began to hunger for God's word and i learned more abt the bible than all the years i spent inside our church. Now im ministering to my sisters and niece and nephews.

I have been in the path for a year, as i matured more in my faith, I came to realize many of the youth are very lukewarm. Yet they were religious. I stopped showing up at the church, and all of my opportunities of "servings" got taken away. (It seemed they were trying to punish me in a way) i decided to get into biblical institute and seek Gods word, instead of trying to gain a "title." I stopped being involved in church but Gods been speaking to me in ways, that i cant even explain. I realized i didnt have to rely on a church, to develop my relationship with God. My hunger grew for God, compared to when i was doing ministry.

Jon, my name is Daniel. I used to be with SIBKL and still watch their KZbin videos. If you want to talk let me know. I feel like you and I can discuss a lot about the top brass over there.

If Christian service could be performed only through organized church how about those Christians who have no access to church building and pastor. How could the unsaved people be reached by the gospel if the so-called saved Christians would concentrate in church building with pastor controlling their lives?

Most pastors are capitalizing on their calling that's why they justify their being narcissist and abusive.

Well said. We as individual Christian, has a work to do for our God, inside or outside church. Most mega churches today are more focused on the business of collecting money from people than teaching to become more productive for God.

God could appear before you and say ... "I am God." But you wouldn't know the difference. "De-converted" people were never actually "converted" in the first place. You were never a pastor. You were just a salesman.

Church does not save people but Jesus does.

As a Deist I appreciate every person that leaves a theistic concept with "divine" claimed but man-made morals and rules.

Humans who think they know the limitless mind of God are the most arrogant people on Earth.

Have you heard of pastor David Wilkerson from Time Square Church in NYC, USA?

Great video, so encouraging! Please post more vids sharing your testimonies. Thank you!

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(FACTS OVA FEELINGS). Peephole will Commit to Oll Manners of Sin az long az they r Convinced that by doing it they r Right and Gud

Good job ps jon

Church should be a family not a business

It's sad how people are leaving church not because of the influence outside of church, but hurtful incidents within the church. Let's be real here, ministries will always run whether you're there or not. To many churches, the programs matter more than the people, all in the name of evangelism or ministry, within the church building. When you're sick, or wanting to take a break, it seems that you've offended an unspoken rule. When you're struggling spiritually, the church judged. When you're going through life challenges, the church condemned you for having little faith. Still, the program show goes on. Take the programs and church aside, am I still a brother to these people whom I deemed soldiers of the ministry in the Kingdom of Heaven? Trust me, there are millions of struggling believers who felt this way, that the obligations to attend church every pretty much forced. Even the long time Christians are led to believe that the only way to know God is by attending church, but not realistically helping a struggling heart about the practical steps of prayer, biblical knowledge, actual genuine prayer and the list goes on. I've not been to church for 6 years now. I've been deeply hurt by Christians who deemed themselves as the holiest of them all and held their own authorities over others who are sinners, who attend worships regularly and are ministry leaders, but cheaters and manipulators of those who are poor and less knowledgeable than them. At this point, non believers are legitimately better in terms of attitude, genuine care and perhaps, you may even feel that these are God-given people. Christians who are reading this, reach out more often to your fellow believers whom have struggled in their faith and have long not attended the church's self-proclaim glorious program, genuinely care for them and DO NOT invite them back to church, but bring your genuine-loving care to them outside of the church. Pray with them, realistically care about their lives and don't expect them to come back to church at all. For real, STOP with your cloudy-care with the end game of expecting them to return to church. The truth is, we need care outside of church, not inside the 4 walls. For non believers who see this, I must say this: believe that Christ died for you, but do not give your whole life to the church blindly because of peer pressure. Your relationship with God is personal and your restoration as God's vessel can be set even outside of church and not always necessarily inside. The church outside needs more outreach and genuine people who are, not cowboy preachers who condemn sinners and bash for their life decisions. If you're still reading this, my name is Richard from Malaysia, and do pray for me as I'm genuinely struggling to find my faith again because of past hurts and the confusion of who and what God is. Do I believe that Christ died for my sins, rose from the dead and is the only way to God? Yes, but I no longer want to be in church because it became so program based and the essence of worship has long disappeared. I'm open for a conversation with any believers out there who is genuinely willing to help without judgement and condemnation.

Check out the Mormons. Ive been talking to the missionaries and I’ve been blown away. As a life long Christian I’ve never given any attention to them. But as I’ve humbled myself, and listen to what they have to say, I’ve been moved and touched by the Holy Spirit stronger than I ever have in my entire life. What they say is true I know it and God knows it. I’m scheduled to be baptized next month.

I’m not a pastor, but I had devoted my single life in my mid 20s called by God to be in the ministry to help young adults and it was a movement and all praise and glory to God that He used me as a vessel to touch people and become saved in about 5 yrs of ministry. And after 5 yrs God had something different for me, and though I know it was about to happen, the church I was in wasn’t happy with a lot of different decisions I made, persecution, and judgement… at the end, it is God who is glorified and who I would fully listen to for His will for my life and not what the church think or what they say they heard from God. Anyways, long story short, I am so grateful that I choose the leap of faith to choose the narrow path even after those hardship and judgement, and stick with God even when i may think that I have lost a lot of people that I had helped and when I needed help, there’s no one there but God. That’s my realization. That everything is meaningless without God. It’s not about the number or the program but the relationship that we have with Christ. And now our miracle baby is a gift of God has given me choosing that lonely walk, that become the best blessing God has given me.

Amen!

❤❤That’s a great reflection of listening to Gods voice of following him and admitting by simple obedience

Amen I had the same conviction same verse. God is doing somthing beautiful in people’s lives thank you for sharing this video it has truely blessed me. May God continue to bless you and your family in Jesus name 💛🙏

Thank you very much for the talk. Edifying, sincere and timely. One question in my mind. I know the three of you are still working out the best model for a local church outside of the prevalent corporate model. If the teaching of Jesus, the Book of Acts and the letters of the Apostles are to be our guide and wisdom, what would be a Biblical functioning local church be? Why is it so hard to have such a church going? Thanks.

There’s something that came to my mind. There’s this spirit persecuting the world “Allah”, Satan hid under religion to persecute to earth to hold people in Islam down in fear that they cannot asked questions in that religion, while Satan misguided those who loves the world and looking for money and fame , finding the bible that tithe and offering is the way out for their quest. Yeshua is Lord and He still loving us all.

i stopped watching after i saw the kanye sweater.

Another prophet will, they say, soon rise; But will he profit from his tricks, likewise? My prophet is my reason, aye, myself--- From me to me there is no room for lies. How many preachers from the pulpit preach, How many prophets rose from sleep to teach? They prayed, and slayed, and passed away, and yet Our ills are like pebbles on the beach. Al-Ma'arri

Thank you - these conversations are much needed at this time. God bless

Liar!...Romans 3:4... God speaks through his word KJB... please study your Bible more!

It seems you're feeling the loss of the big numbers of your congregation. But how many of your congregation will Jesus tell "I never knew you"? Quit worrying about big numbers and start again with one. Make one quality disciple of Jesus and teach him how to do the same. Then repeat.

The church model in America is garbage. It’s not house based like early church discipleship. But top down CEO style, church got bills business model.

he should fully commit and be a priest not just an MC for a rap concert

Jon, I've watched your video several times. I am a pastor and I needed to hear this. Thank you! 🙂 Additionally, it's disgusting to see how "Christians" are responding right now during the current world turmoil. Churcha has been a place of entertainment and not a-place of spiritual growth. "American Christianity" is an atrocity and it has no concern for the rest of the world. God bless and I pray that I see you in the highways and byways of this world sharing Jesus Christ passionately!

Of the three pastors here, David and John NGIN spoke with such restraint and wisdom that are so rare in quality these days. Unlike others who just want to inform the viewers of their past ministry to be just "busy and structured", which is rather childish.

No dont take the last video down i have the same experience with my church lead by my father. My father is the pastor and i left it after the success i had with our church. I am currently packing my bags and couldn't believe how bold i have become in the name of Jesus and im praying to God to guide me because i know i am doing the right thing but what's next for me? All i been doing was church..kids director, media, praise team and etc... I didnt want to do the "ShOw" anymore. Jesus was out with the people who need to know him. Why was my former church turning our backs on the people who need God. Why are we so uppity or snobby??? I went out and started talking to people praying with people . Doing fellowship online. ... Currently looking for a church like the way Jesus wants it. Im sorry im rambling... I am excited and ready for what God has in store for me. Thankyou for sharing your experience it help me alot

Jonathan Ngan, its good to post such a genuine n honest questions, discussions and conversations through this video. I think its not just about pastor or leaders or anyone who is doing "ministry" in the church setting.. Its about serving,knowing n loving this One True God Who fiercely pursuing and loving us. I think you gotta find back the First Love you had for our Lord Jesus. Ultimately its Jesus that we are answerable not our "audience". I am just a very normal housewife or homemaker, i gave up my medical career to stay at home because i see the importance of God in my life and my family's life. I have 3 beautiful children and i feel so priviledged to mentor them and disciple them, this is the first n foremost "ministry" or calling God has impressed in my heart. I am building an army for God that they will live this life for God. Ultimately, when we would close our eyes n become dust, the eternal reward is what i pray that me and my family attain. Not just reproducing decent children in this world. I pray that u and your family will continue to seek God and live for God despite many hurts n disappointments that human being let it be pastors or leaders or the used to be your flocks in youth ministry u were shepherding. Let your example of one who live for God despite you being a pastor or not. Our lives are to be a living sacrifice that are pleasing and holy unto Him, this is our spiritual act of worship. The world is very chaotic now, deconstruction of faith happens everywhere, but God comes to build, Jesus is our cornerstone, we dont follow the world but follow Jesus, that is called Christians. To die is gain, to live is Christ. Hope u can use your platform to brinf encouragement to young people, to encourage them to endure in their faith in the Lord with the grace od Jesus and thr fwllowship of Holy Spirit. I m no pastor or leader in the church. But i find God's Word is the most powerful thing that tranform me,my husband and instill live in my children. They experience God even at the agw of 10. My children know God is real, the God that they heard from pastor in church, sunday school teacher and from their parents is the Same God, Real,Powerful and Almighty