So vhs aired july 8th 2003 ?

These came out in the 80’s. How are you gonna compare it to a krone lmfao

SAME also owned some shares of Agco at this time too

​@@goatfarmmbAGCO owned shares in Same at that time . In fact Agco buys up dying companies and basically retains a few of their best models and uses their name on multiple models from multiple company acquisitions . MF , white , agco , SAME , Hesston , allis chalmers , Cat Challenger ect . All owned by AGCO & all the same tractors with different names on the hood . Case-IH / New Holland has done similar acquisitions as well John Deere .

@@BrieAnnaTeylar actually SAME owned shares in AGCO and not the other way around, SAME is owned and is still owned by the same founding family and they are in the black when it comes to finances.

@@BrieAnnaTeylar Case IH and New Holland were bought by Fiatagri and still owned by them, Hesston for a few years was owned by Fiat until they bought Ford New Holland they had to sell off Hesston because of the Competition organization that told them to. When Fiat sold it Case IH and Agco bought each 50 % of Hesston until Case was bought by New Holland then the last 50 was sold to Agco

@@goatfarmmb thanks for the info . It's been so many trades , sell outs , hostile takeovers , ect over the years especially back in the 1980's that it's hard to keep up with them all . If INTERNATIONAL HARVESTER had just kept 1- tractor in each horsepower class instead of having multiple tractors in each horsepower class divided up between the 3 brands of McCormick , Farmall and INTERNATIONAL Harvester they could have survived the 80's as a individual company . But management panicked and dumped the tractor division . MF was a hostile takeover with agco getting a lot of it's people to slowly buy up stock . A lot of agco tractors are clearly updated MF designs with another name on the hood . Just about all 35 - 50 hp agco tractors are based on the old MF 35 tractors with newer tractor parts that are interchangeable with the old MF 35 parts .

The Cummins 5.9 is well known and a decent engine. The transmission if serviced per the manual was pretty much bullet proof. We had a 6175 on the farm and it had a 8.3l Cummins. Very good tractors.

It must be the Dyna-4 transmission used by MF and produced by GIMA in France.

Great machine

@@kronefarmservices thank you. i am a poultry farmer but i know nothing about row crop farming .

Mostly because it was a Cockshutt.

It kicked that deer’s ass easily! It was one of the greatest Massey combines ever built.

Most masseys kick John deeres ass ,

Don't hurt em MF... 😂💯

I’ve got a 4650 - been a solid tractor

Interesting. Didn' t know AGCO sold rebranded Same Explorer series tractors.

I do too AGCO IS CRIMINAL

It has sound. I just checked. Working fine for me.

No

If it had not been for AGCO the 22 brands it acquired in the 90’s would have simply gone out of business and there would be no parts for the machinery that came before AGCO. The company started from scratch and built up a strong product line in short order.

I think that its was knowledge that Allied Products was also interested in the Deutz Assets of North America. And given the relationship Hesston had with Fiat there was a possibility there. Cause look at the time line of Fiat Buying New Holland in 1991 within agcos 1st year of operation. Every Step of Agco has been Brand Buyouts to keep pace in technology.

Well u got to be mad at agco there the one's that bought white and got rid of white tractors

@@Ihfarmer23 they got rid of Allis to and it's literally in there name

@@brandonwood1397 yeah I always tell people that when they say whites not good cause it isn’t around anymore

It's my understanding that Ih had actually contracted with NI to build their hay line. They also built choppers, mowers and rakes for ford as well. When Case IH bought 50% stake in Hesston they must have sold all the old ih design stuff to NI. They continued some of it for a while. I have yet to see a White painted NI chopper. Glad you enjoy these! I have many more to put up.

@@dickkeesey8889 yep that was my understanding, new idea could not manufacture the same equipment in their livey until the buy out from what I'm told .

The Ford Square baler at one time were built by massey and the round balers were gehls , kinda ike massey round balers were built by vermeer. Crazy how companies intermingled

@@morgan398 new idea did offer the choppers square balers and mowers in orange at the same time.

@@morgan398 ford square balers were built by long early on. I thought that was the case till they quit.