Hm? It absolutely does exist. What do you mean by spoof?

It did seem pretty strange. The story is the automod somehow got it but I'm not sure why.

Do you mean specifically regarding halogen bulbs, fluorescent bulbs, or something else? Unregulated UV light being emitted from halogens is very well known and easy to find. As mentioned in the video, not only do certain manufacturers/countries add "UV FREE" to their packages but there is a ton of information about the amount of UV light emitted. In many cases it could be considered trivial emissions, but keep in mind that you, as a person, would not be 1-8" away from these lamp sources for 8-10 hours a day - you would find that painful and be quite upset. If you are Roman Muryn, then I know you have a lot of random Solarmeter branded UV meters. You can easily hold a Solarmeter up to these types of bulbs to see that UV light is registered. Make sure to use an undoped (ie: not the "UV FREE" bulb) bulb which you can generally recognize by being completely clear rather than doped with a blue tint. Also keep in mind that the specific spectrum registered by the solarmeter - which will require you to use several meters to get a complete picture. Contact SolarMeter directly if you would like to question if the readings are electrical noise or actual registered UV light at the sensor. These are all valid approaches and questions. This is also a problem with fluorescent lamps. Regardless of how perfect someone believes the glass to be, errors in manufacturing and simply unpredictable behavior of the reactions in the lamp can create unregulated UV light scenarios from ANY fluorescent lamp. Not long ago, many people were blaming CFLs on being very poor both in the reptile hobby and in general - this is because of manufacturing errors. Newer CFLs, both in the reptile hobby and out, are now much safer if not the safest residential lighting option regarding unregulated UV (not sure if this can be/has been evaluated on the reptile hobby side) if you, of course, don't count LEDs (which you shouldn't since these don't emit unregulated UV light). I know that, if you are Roman Muryn, the general MO of AHH/Reptile Lighting is to spam links with really nice headlines which I won't be doing. This is extremely trivial information to find and has been known as common knowledge for many years often appearing in skin care and even skin cancer related articles. LED light sources, contrary to Reptile Lighting/John Courteney-Smith/Arcadia/AHH/etc, are the safest option we have. Admittedly the latest LED UV tech may be lacking in empirical evidence and possibly complete spectrum emission but that's why we have continuing advances in this area both inside of the reptile hobby and outside. For good faith, you can have this annotated reference: "The results demonstrated UVA leak highest from incandescent and halogen bulbs, and UVB leak highest from CFL." journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0961203309103052

@@ResolveReptiles Thank you for your reply.

I still use them. They're available and they're somewhat cheap. But ultimately not great for the hobby as a whole.

This was meant to be a ridiculous video, to be quite honest. The "ridiculous strawman" here is the number of people trying to insist that the bulbs do indeed cause hypervitaminosis - yet I don't think we've seen a single instance. Ideally we wouldn't even have the bulbs on for the duration required to cause such a thing but the reptile hobby is insistent that the light cycle must include UV and often at a more significant amount than you can find naturally year round in their habitats. On top of all of that, there's literally a study that says leopard geckos raised with vitamin D were not discernible from leopard geckos with UV. There's no strawman here. There's just "science" from the 1970s.

That was kind of the joke. There's a lot of misinformation and flat out disinformation about these bulbs. At the end of the day, if the LED UV detractors put half their effort into these bulbs the hobby would be in a far better place. Arcadia and others are relying on the special bulb exception for their fluorescent and incandescent lamps while they tell people that using these bulbs cause hypervitaminosis - this isn't true. Quite a few people have had animals under these bulbs for years (including myself) and there has been no discernible difference. Of course for the safety of the animals this requires more than a year or two study with random unrelated species - but the idea that lighting companies like Arcadia have taken to flat out misrepresenting the data is telling. The hobby should be screaming to move to LEDs - cheaper, lasts longer, less waste, and the technology isn't slated to be banned.

What info would you like? Billy and his crew have done a ton of great outreach to people affected by this virus. Did it come from Mutation Creation? We'll never know. But what we do know is you can now look at Mutation Creation's morphmarket and see they've changed policies - that's amazing. Billy is a great guy.

Hi. Oh boy is that a great wall of text. Low hanging fruit first: - If you don't believe the plagiarism accusations about Mariah and ReptiFiles then you can absolutely go verify on the wayback machine that wikipedia articles were vandalized quoting ReptiFiles as the source of things like DNA tests. This is absolutely not great ethics. That's simple to verify and inarguable once you verify the same thing I illustrated. - Chaz is great and more beneficial to the hobby than ReptiFiles will ever be. Given the opportunity, Mariah would simply rewrite Chaz's content because it's actually good and from an experienced keeper willing to share great information. - The reptile hobby is very small but it's not a circle by any means. People who go buy animals from department stores or local shows probably don't even go on KZbin to learn anything about the animals. The "hobby" is pretty much splintered - one side is blissfully pet enjoyers, another side is ball python breeders and "dietary supplements", yet another side is spider champions, yet another side is people who have owned "rescued" leopard geckos for 6 months and plan to "prove" something, and on and on and on... No one knows the difference (which really there isn't any...) between a Zoomed lamp and an Arcadia lamp. Arcadia can't even get the spectrum illustration on the side of the box correct ffs - and no one notices except people *outside* of the reptile hobby. - How do you "know" I like Dav? I've met him 3-4 times and bought some snakes from leonis from him that I reviewed Chaz's material for. That's a circle. - Clint is one of your spider people and I believe you probably know this... he also has some "special" thoughts on UV for being a biologist. - BioDude (Josh Halter) is tangent to ReptiFiles, etc, publishing articles references human studies and claiming that vitamin D prevents impaction. The accepted leading cause of impaction is most likely dehydration. Josh Halter is selling reboxed Arcadia bulbs. The conclusion there is pretty obvious. I once bought biodude substrate that was "best for hognose snakes" and found what seemed to be very fine silica. I was told it was diatomaceous earth and I asked about that supporting bioactive (because that wouldn't) - so then I was told it was sand. How would you not know the difference between the two? In both cases, keeping in mind it would be very fine silica and aluminum, it would not be healthy for my little hognoodle. Josh's Frogs substrate does not have the same concerns and if I need to add sand for drainage I can wash my own. - etc The biggest difference between the content creators that you have mentioned and "keepers"/"educators" like ReptiFiles is that the content creators you have mentioned have actual experience based on empirical keeping (disclaimer: empirically proven keeping is not always great... but understanding it allows for reasonable expansion not based on sunlight myths). When it comes to Mariah, JTB, Liam Sinclair, etc you have people quite literally LARPing - from JTB eating calcisand and claiming coco is the "deadliest substrate" to Liam Sinclair claiming temp guns shoot lasers and then excusing himself because he says people aren't smart enough to understand....... it's bad. It's really bad. RRK will, and currently is, promoting this kind of "thought" in the reptile hobby for a cash grab to pay their friends. It's not useful at all. It's quite literally a setback. All it's made for is to try to arm "ethical" keepers with complete nonsense to pick fights on the internet - much like my video, they'll only be participating in aggressive rants. You can claim you're "educating" people but if you "educate" them that they should stare into the sun to "cure" disease then you aren't actually educating them.... Come to Happy Dragons and have a civil debate? There will be no such thing. I will show up and question why people think Vitamin D "disinfects the enclosure" where I'll be inundated with completely irrelevant articles like the one Josh Halter (BioDude) used to justify selling a reboxed Arcadia lamp (which is just another reboxed lamp from ATI, iirc). Liam, Roman Muryn, and Baines will show up to tell me Vitamin D cures the recent pandemic (this is false per the CDC and many, many, many follow up studies). People will tell me corn snakes have denser bones just like their gramma and it's "obvious" - but if you look at a recent 20 year study it seems like vitamin D and calcium in senior adults is not helpful at all. Not even the attempts at human analog stand up to any sort of educated review. On the flipside, I invite you to join World of Ball Pythons on Facebook and (to be clear, I am unassociated with this, am not an admin, and don't really support a lot of the thought here but for the exercise...) tell people that MorphMarket is unethical and try to argue with Drollinger - that will be quite the show. Happy Dragons is a front and you can easily go look up stores in MorphMarket that mach Happy Dragons and link over to Facebook, etc, and see all of their geckos in tubs. TC Houston raised blue tongues in bins in a rack made from wood and chicken wire - people get upset to see other content creators use tubs for leopard geckos.... "Ethical" in this hobby is only a false dichotomy to create insults and nothing more. To be clear, I'm not calling TC a bad keeper but he is being used as an example here for the very painfully obvious hypocritical nature of "ethical" and "responsible" keeping. RRK can put its proverbial money where its mouth is and sponsor things like micro nutrient studies in the boas they casually discuss over coffee to record a clickbait video about. Responsibly and ethically, if we are subjecting these animals to artificial UV lamps in a small contained space knowing that it's very possible to injure them... and also knowing that these lamps, when used unnecessarily, cause a significant amount of waste... and also knowing that "dancing in the sunlight" is a long disproven crap theory from the 70s.... the micronutrient study would go much farther than copypasting ReptiFiles' spam. We know that won't happen, though. Hop on over to the Resolve Reptiles discord if you want to chat. Invite your friends. I'll make you your own channel to troll tf out of me with irrelevant articles about vitamin D destroying bacteria in a petri dish when it is established animal science practice to use accessible and simple disinfects from mechanical washing to quaternary ammonia to steam - no harmful UV (and yes, the full UV spectrum is harmful - not just UVC) or natural sunlight required. You are a professional horticulturist. You know all about insulating layers - that means basements are used as cool spaces and warm spaces because those insulating layers keep a very consistent temperature. That means that burrows (real ones, not a just a hole in the ground) are, in fact, warmer than the surface. Unlike a basement, you would have composting material in these burrows that would actually heat it - find out where bees and other insects go in the winter. Once again, this means that these areas are indeed warmer than the surface. This is the same "debate" as the "ball pythons live in termite mounds" thing from decades ago - people scoff at the idea of a termite mound because it isn't a 4x2x2 Dubia Roaches enclosure but the fail to understand how delicate those structures are and the animals that they support **naturally**. It's not the cramped space of the termite mound we should be emulating. That's the kneejerk "ethical" rant about ball pythons living in trees and hunting with UV vision - something Liam Sinclair argued. We have molecular studies of ball python eyes. The idea of hunting a bird with "UV vision" is pretty ridiculous.

Double post, but important to be separate from the other material. You mention the "ethics" of people like spider beep champions and also mentioned Clint should be cognizant of the environmental difference of where he lives versus where you live. More important than this is the idea of medical support for these animals. Obviously not in a study, but very obvious in animal science in general, disease is a ridiculously ignored topic by all of the people you mentioned. Here in the US we have tons of imports all cramped into wooden crates (look up the Mack's PetSmart incident as an example) where we have biosecurity nightmares and cross contamination. Nidoviruses are on huge example of a completely ignored problem in reptile keeping. People that struggle to keep veiled chameleons might benefit from knowing there is pervasive nidovirus in that species - causing them to die of respiratory infections. From what I understand, mycoplasma is a big problem over there and I am not sure why it's not bigger over here. Cryptosporidium is a massive problem and, because that organism also infects humans, we have a lot of information about managing cryptosporidium. Nidovirus (now serpentovirus) is pervasive through ball pythons. Literally the only reason there's a nidovirus article on ReptiFiles is because of **drumroll** - me. I'll send you the email thread. "Ethically" and "responsibly" do you think RRK and Arcadia are **EVER** going to do anything other than claim Arcadia branded UV bulbs cure all disease? What about those "five freedoms" people always toss around? Molecular testing is cheap and easy - poke around the channel and you'll see I've even done it in my kitchen. Screening and education on medical support is more important than any faked "debate" about tubs - as long as I've been in this hobby I've never actually seen any private keeper keep an MBK in a tub **other than** Liam Sinclair. The supposed uneducated masses buying animal from PetSmart are not throwing them in tubs. It's a vain and pointless attack on the hobby for attention and nothing more.

I'm not sure you can. You can definitely test after they're born, though.

Hey hey. Same old same old. :)

Yes. In two years the idea of gene testing has blown up. Find the latest on the Ball Python Genetics Project (quick Google will get you the Eastern Michigan University site). Rare Genetics, Inc. is also offering gene tests (as mentioned in the video).

Since this video, testing has been embraced by quite a few breeders. Rare Genetics, Inc. has commercial tests for many recessives and also Specter (an incomplete dominant complex of genes that includes yellow belly, etc.). Justin Kobylka (Kinova) did a video series recently on DGa and DGb discovered by RGI - this is desert ghost but expected to be polygenic. Interesting stuff.

@@ResolveReptiles def been keeping up with the dg stuff as it's just fascinating!! Again my issue, and others I'm guessing is I don't breed recessive. I stack coDom and inc Dom genes. Once u get up to four five six genes testing would be super helpful! Hope we get there soon

Not sure where you cut and pasted that from but it makes little sense here. In the greater context of Donny claiming cryptosporidiosis was the bubonic plague ...... wild exaggeration, begging for engagement, etc.... so you replied to the wrong video with your judgment of what generates engagement.

It is. You can also visit Rare Genetics online for the commercial tests.

I like overhead/sunbeam. I support that *however* I also understand that it is one of many tools. The current conversation is marketing around IRA/B/C which technically shouldn't even be labelled that way - but you'll see it on all the boxes promoting the product as "more natural". Most of the IR charts used are nonsense and if you dig too far you'll just get a blanket answer of "black body radiation law of thermodynamics can't be explained" handwave. For people that are actually interested in the topic there is plenty of material on *heliothermy* that directly conflicts with some of the nonsense people promote. AAH, a Facebook group, even suggested that underbelly heat is an "abomination" - big colorful words for a very bad take. Their overall suggestions are, just like the sungazers and homeopaths at the new age stores, not actually accurate... so they'll just ban anyone that disagrees until the echo chamber works (just like the sungazers and homeopaths)...

@@ResolveReptiles Thank you! Oh yeah, the infrared marketing is horrible and borderline predatory. I use slate rock under my overhead lighting for thigmothermy. It seems to be the best of both worlds. I stay away from the sungazer/homeopath/jade vagina egg bs shared in those groups. I think the overarching principles they share are valid. However, the disinfecting/medicinal/medical properties they claim are horrible. If you take the holistic view that replicating the sun, in a small portion of the vivarium, is a “good” tool, then it's fine. After that, well, you know.

"The dream" (completely achievable) would be to catalog all of the morphs. Someday... but obviously not right now. This form of DNA barcoding and testing is not new. It shouldn't be assumed we have cataloged every single current and future possible gene influencing a phenotype.

The community has its moments...

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@beeters3982 Thanks - and how do you create a live "time cue"(?) KZbin link like that?

There is absolutely nothing that supports that it does. It is disinformation.

Have you read papers all about it.

Yes. And I invite you to as well. It's really good to have educated people in the hobby that are able to check disinformation and prevent it from spreading. We have very few.

I read one of the papers and it said uvb doesn't prevent COVID-19 but it helps with treating/decreasing it, I'm not trying to attack you or harass you, I just wanna try help understand what you're saying and how we can talk about it instead of slandering that Liam and Mariah are making "misinformation".

Accuracy is not "slander". It is outright disinformation. You can find papers that correlate a vitamin D deficiency (note: deficiency - that is below normal levels. That does not mean "a lack of sunlight" since vitamin D is special and can be sourced through food) to increased risk. The most recent and most developed studies have now shown that it is, at best, inconclusive to suggest vitamin D prevents any sort of viral transmission. Additionally you can find plenty of papers on UV exposure being outright dangerous. On a final note, you can find papers that suggest that cigarette smoke was a better preventative - this is not a joke. Do not give your reptiles cigarettes.

It certainly is a tough call, but surely there's some solution to larger snakes being cared for. It's worth mentioning that the individuals in the video most likely never tested any snake for concerns in the hobby like nidovirus - which makes it difficult to say they were purely interested in animal welfare.

@@ResolveReptiles I think the big issue was provincial legality in canada, atleast from the further research ive done

Yes! The point I meant to make was: why wouldn't we do something like health checks on these animals, acknowledge their welfare, and re-home them? Zoos, enthusiasts, private (and authorized) collections, ... would all benefit from healthy snakes even if private citizens in the province can't keep them. All of the "ethical keeper" crowd talks about conservation and education - dead snakes do neither.

The problem is that zoos dont typically want morph snakes, the hottest ticket items for them are things like Sulawesis and even then they can only keep a few

Absolutely. Can you? It's literally a public video that contains the suggestion to stand in the sun to avoid viral disease - the overwhelming amount of research says that this is a bad idea. Not only is it not proven as prophylaxis for viral infections but, if it was indeed true that Vitamin D worked for a compelling number of people, it would be dangerous advice in the face of a much easier to access method that would be more beneficial to more people. I understand that his viewership is made of naive people but it does indeed make you all look worse when you simply deny objective reality.

Sweet summer child, he came to find me on discord to tell me thermometers shoot lasers. Dude is *off* 90% of the time and barking up the wrong trees. He could have discovered he chose the *wrong* resource for his video where he wanted to threaten NERD - and that wasn't even the first time he attempted to fight NERD because he thought he knew better. Failure to research - exactly like "laser firing thermometers" and something about "sunlight prevents viruses" and on and on and on. He has an investment in ReptiFiles - who literally copied wikipedia and then tried vandalizing articles to promote *their* combined half assed work featuring pictures of his MBK in place of a corn snake. At the end of the day reality speaks for itself: ReptiFiles is literally indefinitely banned from Wikipedia..... no joke. Check yourself. You suggest having empathy for the guy that thinks retics are just "too big" to own but you skipped the part where Liam came riding in on a high horse to claim my collection had (according to him) died. He was wrong. He lied. The little troll was slinging whatever he could to try to feel superior without an ounce of empathy for the welfare of any animal. Then the little dude claimed I was guilty of libel and slander - but I guess he was "just off" that day and we should excuse that repeated behavior to lash out when he is flat out incorrect. That whole crew comes up with bizarre hot-takes every week. It's a sad bunch. Don't even get me started about the time Liam claimed that ball pythons should have devolved eyes entirely - it's all bad takes. Most of it is outdated (which, ironically, he labels everything he disagrees with as outdated). A lot of it is fed to him by retirees bringing back sunshine doctors. The sooner you learn the better. :) I often end up using a combination of Fishhead *and* RAL *and* Molecular Diagnostics (must be submitted by a vet for this). The investment I've made into all of that for *not only nido* but also crypto and ADV and arena would probably slap you with sticker shock - yet you're defending someone who made a disinformation video about sunshine cures..... Anyway, RAL gets you test results in a day. According to *up to date research about animal disease* (from about 4 years ago not counting the research from all the way back to 2014 specifically on nidovirus) - you should absolutely test and retest for everything from nido to crypto. Ask your buddy how often he retests his colubrids before pairing them in a tub of aspen shavings after pushing an agenda of "no tubs" for so long. PCR is accurate as long as the sequences are accurate. This is another talking point that people make about tests - different labs use different methods of PCR. The only way to keep it accurate is to have a proactive community talking about scientific topics like testing for disease - and not using the sun as an excuse not to. On the "flip side" people try to suggest that somehow you can confuse specifically nidoviruses that affect pythons with a nidovirus that wiped out Australian turtles. That's just as ridiculous. As for up-to-date *actual research* - consider submitting any positives to something like GenBank. This is how we keep the tests accurate. Actual really real researchers can combine those results into more accurate tests as time goes by. This is what "ethical keepers" should be pushing forward - not sunshine cures. Liam himself claims to have rescued most (all?) of his collection. Must be one of those times he's "just off", I guess. The problematic attitude of actual veterinary care is pretty obvious in his takes. He promised to make a video about actual disease and ended up with a half assed crypto video and nothing else. He claimed "no one talks about nido" and that there "was no research about it" - this is garbage. Check the Merck Manual, check the Complete Carpet Python, check Herpetoculture Magazine, and on and on and on. There is absolutely no reason that the whole gang of "ethical keepers" from Frank Payne to Liam Sinclair to Mariah Healey to Lori Torrini to JTB (and on and on and on) ... can't promote animal welfare through disease management. The only time they do is when it comes with an Arcadia lamp pitch.

@@ResolveReptiles I have not read nor heard any of the far off claims you are mentioning about Reptiles and Research nor Animals at Home. That said, NERD was being a shit show with their awful DYI veterinary care. Honestly. That was HORRENDOUS and if anyone did that to a dog or cat, they would be charged with animal cruelty. Not to mention all the naive, clueless people that don't know any better and would try to copy that tomfuckery. Folks cannot whine that people do not respect reptiles because one breeds them, then make youtube butchery videos on reptiles. That said, I don't think it matters if Liam does or does not own stock in Reptifiles, again, they are head and shoulder above a lot of the old school stupidity. If they aren't up to your standards, that's totally your prerogative and you may have legit arguments on why, but honestly, wouldn't your venom be better directed towards the nutters with 800 snakes in tiny boxes in some basement with no light or enrichment? They are the crazy cat ladies of snakes. Anyway, I've used RAL, I didn't really think baby pythons were as high risk as adults, since as I understand it, most breeders are starting to understand keeping them separately from the adults will prevent transmission as long as they practice good biosecurity. I'm not saying they actually understand what they are doing, but I've heard more than one, repeat rhetoric about how to prevent the spread (these dudes basically operate like clicky high school girls, so they tell everyone what to say and they all repeat it but you can tell only a fraction know what they are actually saying.) That said, I'm not talking different species strains of Nido virus from different animals. I was told there are different strains of SNAKE Nido-virus, and that Fishhead tests supposedly covers more strains of Nido, while RAL only tests for the one? I'll check out GenBank. Do you have any criteria for when you retest? Like, I have a rat snake that came from very sketchy circumstances, I'm testing her for crypto. She has never had symptoms except anorexia, because she was a poor starter that had to be assist fed for like 7 months (I took her from some gang banger who was holding her in his hand in the middle of December in Chicago-claimed she had been eating crickets and she was as flat as a shoelace, so no she hadn't been eating anything.) So do you wait for symptoms to show to retest (better chance of catching it?) Or is there a particular time when an animal may shed crypto or Nido more than another so it's easier to catch? As far as the rest of your rant, I do not know who half those people are. I know Liam and Lori and think they are doing good things for animals, considerably more than many of the old school bros that promote hoarding and avoiding veterinarians and doing home surgery. This is just my perspective from someone coming from an animal welfare background. Everyone doesn't have to be perfect either, because as you keep mentioning, people should work together. I thought you appeared on Animals at Homes and think Dillion is fantastic, someone who does fascinating interviews and brings a lot of interesting questions and information to the table. I'm not sure what your obsession is with Liam, but the way you're going on, you're making yourself sound like you want to ask Liam on a date. LOL. I don't wanna be a third wheel, so you keep that between you and your feelings for Liam . LOL. Nothing personal dude, but I try to listen to everything he posts and never once have I heard the outlandish claims you are making, so we can agree to disagree. Maybe some get yourself a stress ball to squeeze or something?

@@honeybeeart9382 If you haven't heard any of the entirely accurate things I'm saying then you are not paying attention. You've dismissed anything you disagree with as "far off" in the opening sentence. Listen to the AAHN video featuring Dr. Frances Baines where she drops information about a cytokine response - not only was this something that lacked evidence in the reports during the pandemic involving humans but this has never been proven in reptile physiology at all. It is trivial for you to find Liam's video claiming "topping up" Vitamin D prevents infections. In the very opening of that video he mentions viral respiratory infections, bleats about his grade on his paper, and then immediately claims that Tariq says animals recover from those listed "problems" including, as mentioned, viral respiratory disease. Those are freebies. Your own failure to recognize these items do not make them "far off" or otherwise false. That "tomfuckery" of NERD "surgeries" is absolutely not something I support but your claim is naive. People "treat" animals (especially livestock) with all sorts of "tomfuckery" without any liabilities. The sugar treatments that NERD promotes to treat prolapses comes from livestock farmers. Manuka honey and vinegar are promoted in the reptile hobby. Finally, suggesting that someone stand in the sun or use a UV lamp to cure, prevent, or treat viral infections and/or promoting it as cures to every ailment is most certainly "tomfuckery" you had go right over your head. I have no reason to defend NERD and those videos were disgusting and dangerous. The exact same can be said about staring into the sun to prevent viral infections - which you will hear in AAHN, Reptiles and Research, Reptile Lighting Forum, and Advancing Herp Husbandry. If you know Lori then ask why she doesn't promote the screening she does. She dismissed nidovirus as a possibility because she claimed she only obtained animals from reputable breeders - and then "rescued" animals. Reputable rescues, apparently, which is ridiculous. Her vet says she has been testing for years. Follow up with her and find out why she isn't promoting screening directly. Instead she promoted the possibly of being "exercise adverse" - a dangerous claim for someone else to see and then decide an amateur diagnosis of. As per usual, the cry that laughing at Liam and his ridiculous claims is called an "obsession". Liam goes out of his way to find me and prod back whenever he can. Legal threats are trolling and saber rattling from someone with no money and no influence even in this country. There is no agreeing to disagree - you are simply objectively misguided in your efforts. I went on AAHN to work with "ethical keepers" who all dismissed that disease was even a problem. They refused to continue the conversation on disease testing. They intentionally produced material claiming UV light disinfects, cures, treats, prevents, etc and not a single video about screening. Again, objectively you are just wrong.

@@ResolveReptiles I have not heard any of the outlandish claims you are making about Reptiles and Research. I have watched his videos myself and have not heard things the way you are hearing them, I cannot understand if you have a audio processing disorder or a reading process disorder, but you seem to be illogically latching onto bits and pieces of things and coming up with whole new versions. I personally have not heard nor viewed any of the outlandish claims you are speaking of. Everything I viewed was presented objectively and logically and Liam was clear when he was being tongue in cheek about an exaggerated claim. As far as NERD dude's tomfuckery, yes, I know what animal husbandry is what farmers perform. I am familiar with agriculture, but also know they ARE TRAINED. They either learn from other farmers (family) or they go thru programs, they don't make home butcher videos and put them up on youtube for every halfwit who can go buy a snake for $20 to now practice on. Snakes are also not livestock. Domestic animals that have been cared for by humans for hundreds of years are going to have long, LONG established information on care, including home remedies. Exotic pets, where vets are still learning and advancing their care, do not deserve every jackass to play Dr on and torture thru their ignorance. It doesn't even appear that guy has any ability to read his animals' behavior or body language because he would have recognized the pain he was causing or he's just such an egomaniac he doesn't care? I have never heard Lori dismiss Nido.....in her videos she states she takes all her animals to the vet when they come into her care. If they get sick, they go to the vet, when they die she makes a video about it and talks about the diagnosis and care provided by the vet, including testing and necropsies. She has over 100 animals there and lets a substantial amount out to wander, which would be a huge opportunity for cross contamination, but everyone is healthy. She's publishing research. I find your claim that she denies Nido exists laughable. In addition, she teaches people how to humanely handle their animals, as opposed to many that claim they love their animals and then grab, manhandle and treat them like they are inanimate objects to show off. Snakes are living creatures and if one claims to love them, they should treat them with respect, not just grabbing and yanking on them for a stupid video. I myself haven't heard any of the people you seem upset with dismissing Nido, quite the opposite, so I really don't understand what your issue is, nor do I understand any of your crazy claims about Liam at Reptiles and Research. I know there's a big effort from douchebags to shut him and others like him up, since they are bringing science into the discussion and this is a threat to fragile egos of many old school people that were able to paint a false sense of knowledge and authority due to the lack of information and interest in the past and they don't want to lose their fabricated image because of their egos. I mean, I think you have some good information on some things, because people need to know about Nido and diseases and it's abhorrent the way breeders sweep it under the rug and then maybe one guy loses his "collection" (I feel sorry for those animals, but not for someone warehousing animals,) but also, people who love and cherish their animals as pets and family, can lose them and even others they may have, and often many of those loses could have been preventable with information. That is disgusting. That said, I'm not sure why you are making these claims about people that I myself have never heard or witnessed do or say the things you claim, but I'm not surprised if anyone would threaten you with liable or slander based on what you are saying but you sound so crazy saying these things, I don't think anyone is taking you seriously. It's a shame. You're undermining anything valuable you have to offer to conversations about Nido or science.

@@honeybeeart9382 I appreciate you raising fingers to suggest someone else has a disability. It will make a great screenshot in a video or blog post that includes clips from the people that you are attempting to defend. It's always nice to have a sycophant as an example. Thank you.

I use Vivtech bulbs. :) It may seem hypocritical but the science doesn't change - there is no safe dosage of UV light. One of the reasons we use the UV lamps is because we don't know the most appropriate way to supplement these animals during development - UV light is safer than "random" dosages and delivery of Vitamin D (which is a registered organic rodenticide in the US causing renal failure in rodents and can cause the same in other animals). Until we have better science we are stuck with UV lamps..... for now. :)

@@ResolveReptiles haha yeah, everything will get us eventually. I think ill only run the vivtech bulb for a few hours a day since I also have an arcadia blaring.

Cryptosporidium species don't normally jump species. The cryptosporidium species you would find in a school setting isn't the same as what you would find in a collection of snakes (c. serpentis), for example. Hand washing and hygiene is the first defense - even though the soap doesn't kill the oocysts it can still significantly reduce their presence on your hands and surfaces.

That's the goal :)

Great question! These babies were born just a day or so before this video if I remember correctly. They are fine together during that time and, in the wild, would still be together as they made their way out of the eggs and "learned to snake".

@@ResolveReptiles ok! Thank you so much.

Thanks for watching!

Sorry to hear about your snakes, Rob. It's painful to go through all of that. I think we might be getting to a time where people are more aware of biosecurity and testing - at least h and washing and isolating animals. I don't believe that MC intentionally sold sick animals. They do seem to have some pretty good practice around washing and cleaning but it just takes a tiny mistake (like feeding off uneaten rats, as you mentioned) as a possible vector. Good luck!

We appreciate it! Thank you!

Watching the landscape shift and the overall cost of these new methods drop is exciting.

Exciting, though, right? :)

It's certainly true that people involved with animals often take it upon themselves to do certain tasks. It doesn't take much to find videos of people draining abscesses or similar "medical-ish" personal practices. Progress can be tough but we can do it! :)

I work in vet med and I can say yes diagnostics are important but Kevin’s approach has been backed by vets he works closely with. Reptile treatment has not advanced very far at all and most treatments are exactly the same as they were decades ago. Treating reptiles is difficult and only experienced people should attempt treating at home. Regardless of having a veterinarians supervision or not fatalities and internal damage happen because we don’t have the information and medications to treat reptiles with high success and minimal damage.

Absolutely!

I hope so too!

75 days?

It's hard not to be "obsessed" with someone who interjects the wrong information as often as they can. Thanks for stopping by! :)

Thanks for watching!