It's always the same everywhere, old people complain that everything used to be better. Everything is fine with psytrance, it just doesn't correspond to your listening habits... it's like when old Metallica fans can't cope with the fact that they no longer sound like on Master of Puppets... you immediately find others who agree with you and that's how it is Here too, there are still plenty of artists/musicians/producers who don't follow the mainstream, but you have to make the effort to find them, you won't find them in the first 50 search results on KZbin...or even not on KZbin at all , once you didn't find your oldies there either, did you? ;) and I would probably make more friends with my answer , if I would agree with you...

Yeh its been shit since 2010, what has happened to originality turned into corny shite

You are part of the problem with ur tutorials and templates 😂

Have u been living under a Rock ??? The reason why there is so much music that sounds the same is because these artists have been making careers in teaching ppl. I have even seen artists selling templates of their tracks ... this music is the fast growing in terms of evolution and to this day keeps the evolution going that explains the amount of sub genres that exist of psytrance...from the high frequency based goa trance to the low frequency based psycore there is a massive amount of different sub genres with all sorts of bpm... so if artists are spreading their knowledge and creating armies of mini "me's" the amount of music that sounds the same is inevitable

Old man yells at clouds.. I’m so happy that psytrance has “progressed” from the 90s. I appreciate the history, we all stand on the shoulders of giants etc, but the music is WAY better today than ever before.. psytrance isn’t stuck, your listening to shit generic music.. 😂

I have to say the generic nature of things is upsetting as I saw the same happen with the trance scene, copy after copy, I still DJ psy trance on a regular basis, but I will be honest I play nothing past 2015 ha ha ha, I went to a psy trance event recently and was horrified to sit there trying to find melody, tune, or anything to grab hold of to dance, then I experienced something that sounded like being in an MRI machine, this was apparently psycore? It's heartbreaking, but while there's some of us with superb past tracks, we will cling on to keep this scene alive, I am slowly moving over to Tekno, as I originated from hard house and I see much more variation in the music, I totally agree with you and happy you were brave enough to say it, thanks so much

I'm a recent psytrance producer and I've only 22 years old, so I enter in psytrance scene in last years and I absolutely agree with you. Psytrance is becoming all the same, the same vibe, the same sounds and instruments, no more music travels and emotional tracks, just energy to make the crowd jump. Some sets looks like a 1hour long track. I'm trying to make my own sound, express my feelings, create my identity and make music who I like and not to the others like, but sometimes being different doesn't result to the people who don't understand the travel I made in my music and it's okay. I don't want to sound like the best producers in the world, I want to sound like who I am, and that's what I'm doing.

I agree, nothing crazy is happening with Psytrance these days...

This music was born out of acid. People now do mostly other stuff so the creativity and values went out the window.

May I make a suggestion? Maybe you’re having this unsatisfactory experience because you’re not looking in the right places? There are still as many if not more unique psytrance artists today as in the 90’s. But because psytrance has spread far and wide, you have to dig deeper, and look elsewhere than these popular events, and main floors. Here’s a list of artists that I think truly goes against youre opinion, Terrafractyl (Aus) - Melodic Morning 140-145 Tetrameth (Aus) Unique Daytime organic Progressive 133 - 137 Smilk (Aus) - Minimal Daytime Psychedelic 130-138 Sensient (Aus) - Raw Unique Progressive 134-138 Krumelur (Germany) - Abstract Raw Klipsun (Brazil) - Cinematic Prog Talpa (Serbia) - Musical, modern, prog Pspiralife (Aus) - Melodic, Cinematic, Dark Prog Fusion Noctilus (Germany) - Daytime Forest Goa, Playful & organic. 150bpm Krapul (France) - Deep, Organic, Atmospheric, vivid, Forest - 150. Saturnin (- Extremely Psychedelic and immaculate Psycore - 180 - 230 Bpm Electrypnose - (Switzerland) broad spectrum emotive, hypnotic, immaculate production ) 80 - 175 Bpm Mirror Me - Minimal, experimental High Bpm psychedelic Psycore, Tristan Boyle - Unique Australian Intelligent Morning Prog.

Audio quality has improved massively - but this is because of technological improvements and access to technical tutorials. Sure, back in the day the overall audio quality was not as good, but there was far more creativity and uniqueness to artists. I feel this is due to the fact that artists were not drawing inspiration from other psy artists (there weren't many before 1995), they were drawing inspiration from psychedelic rock, acid house, industrial, dub, nu energy, etc, etc.. So, one artist's palette of inspiration would differ massively from the next. A few generations down the line, psy artists are inspired by other psy artists, closing the creative loop and the snake has swallowed its own tail. Another factor to consider is how DJ culture changed psy music over time. DJs tend to mix songs that neatly fit into each other. This has lead to many original ideas being chucked aside because they stand out too much from whatever else is being produced. What we are left with is DJs playing cookie cutter generic music, and producers feeling they need to fit in rather than stick out. My learned friends. STICK OUT! MAKE UNIQUE MUSIC! THIS IS FREAK MUSIC!

I've had a horrible experience with sessiondesk, we went back and forth for 3 months..everytime the desk arrived it had some damage on it, especially the color...all the upper slats had different shades of gray..basically i had a rainbow desk ..until thomann finally decided to send me a brand new desk

for sure, to many producers and to few musicians around, since what, last 20 years or such...

I totaly agree with you bro, i make a different style of psytrance but it so hard to find label, they all want the same thing...its all stagnant nobody seems to want to take a leap into something new and this reflects on the festivals and parties altogether

I don't understands how people go to a festival and spend a week dancing the same way since the first music until the end!! My daughter with 15 years old, first time in ZNA Portugal, in the first 30 min she said: Dad this ia easy, is always the same!!!! One dj one time in boom, we where taking about that and he told me the "secret": is the fórmula!!!!!

Thank you so much for the review! Heavily considering pulling the trigger on a session desk. It has all the features Im looking for down to a tee. Curious, is there anything else on the market you've considered in recent times? If you were to rebuy a desk in 2024, would you still get a gustav? Many thanks as always for your insightful content!

The initial phenomenon of psytrance encouraged many artists to look for sounds that "worked" on the dance floor, and the artists who managed to somehow "professionalize" their work created the first formulas. Some time later this culminated in the creation of "sub-genres", but inadvertently it was also the beginning of the degradation of creativity. In the past, the scarcity of technologies and study and reference material, or even the lack of a clear definition of the elements that formed the "psychedelic trance" genre, allowed greater originality among artists, as a lot of creativity and effort was required to produce music. The absence of ready-made formulas forced creators to explore new sounds and styles, resulting in greater diversity within the genre. Today many artists are motivated by the desire for fame, being guided by what is easily recognizable as "sellable", limiting their styles to what is commercially viable. This fact means that originality is sacrificed in favor of greater acceptance by the public (focus on the masses) and, consequently, greater success. Finally, new generations tend to like different things than previous generations. Furthermore, the evolution of digital media has transformed the way content is produced and sold, making marketing more important than the music itself for artists looking to establish themselves. source: my humble opinion.

Great video brother! See you in ZNA 2026!! 😊

Thank you for your thoughts! I'll be 50 next year. I went to goa parties from 1997 to 2002. I recommend you my channel, where you can listen to 40 old school goa trance mixes, summing up the spirit of what goa trance meant to me. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpy2n2SYYqmHZpI

still sound like shit

very very interesting ! thank you for this great review ! MAD RESPECT

Some of us "old-timers" has said this for a long time. Welcome to the club! We came from the 80s new wave and synth-pop and the 70's psychedelic rock and shaped a new music style with lots of experimentation and uniqueness. Today almost every wannabe artist only draw inspiration from one source = Psytrance (and not the good kind) which makes the music boring, generic and extremely stereotype.

As a long time "psytrancer" and DJ, what i feel now is that we are living the remix, of the remix of the remix of the same sounds and tricks of the "old-school" tracks from 20 years ago... Nowadays I only play tech-trance and psy-progressive stuff on my "psytrance" sets, The majority of the festivals nowadays have become comercial and corporative, so the line-ups trend to be more repetitive and only interested on attracting the public and selling tickets than to present new music... The more fast sub genders like hitech are the exact same "evolution" that happen on the Techno scene back in the day when hardcore has arrived... The true is that only a very small number of more unknown and smaller festivals still try to bring some diference and present innovative and talented artists, as the majority have become just copy/paste "music programmers" searching for the next "hit" on Bandcamp Top 10... The hole Psytrance scene has become unfortunately an ironic joke of itself living on the slogans and image of the past but without any real vision for its future, populated by greedy "pseudo -hippies" selling "something" and profiting with the scene... Only in the smaller and more intimate parties one can still enjoy some of the vibes that created this movement 40 years ago...

The reason for this. Producers are Not musicians these days… so they focus on the sound… while back in the day…. Dimension 5 for example where a band…multiple people mixing creativity and knowledge… they where focussing on fun and creating a unique sound. 💛🙏

Thank you for this message. 🌈 ❤

I'm not as old as some people here, "just" 30 and I discovered goa trance about 15 years ago, but with my friends we were listening mostly stuff from the 90s and early 2000s. Of course I listen also to modern psy-trance, but my devotion is just for few names and goa trance from the 90s for me is still the music of choice for partying!

This has been a really interesting video to watch. Ive grown up listening to post 2010 psytrance, though there a number of earlier days tracks which remain my all time favourites mainky due ti how unique they are. I cant even imagine a psytrance party like the ones youre describing where the sound changes so kuch between each set - it seems like ive really missed out! Though i do think there is actually a huge variety of psytrance music being produced today. Massively varying styles e.g. Zenon, psytechno, hitech, dark, forest, fullon, deep progressive etc. Personally i believe the issue mainly lies with the party planners and organisers. Theyre sticking to formulas, they dont want to upset people, keep it formulaic, easy, trance inducing. I know where I'm from party planners are like "nope we've gotta keep it fullon all day, then night fullon, then dark, and then high tech". Now imagine the bigger festivals where there are entrenched interests frim the poppular record labels - which all happen to be mostly fullon and progressive sounds - youre just nit getting rhe variety which does exist showcased. The rise is psytechno and zenon stuff ok like Dekel has been a huge breath of fresh air to the scene. Im actually noticing a lot of people who are into the more trance inducing styles if music are moving away from psytrance and into deep and hypnotic techno. And some if them are bringing that stuff bsck into the trance world which is really cool. Im an aspiring producer myself and i know for a lot of us starting out there is huge pressure to replicate an existing style in order to get noticed. Noticed both by small scale local psrty planners who want something which fits their mould, and secondly bu big labels whi can promote and play your music. Additionally psytrance has become HUGELY technical to produce these days. The quality of tracks is absolutely through the roof from a sound design and polishing perspective. So as a beginner to production its very natural to stick to what works and what is being showcased by successful producers in order to create that peofessiinak sound

There are several reasons why psytrance sounds as most of you say. I would pick only a few in the comment: 1. Technology - everybody is using the same gear today ( same VSTs, plugins, it’s all way more available today than it was back then ) 2. Social Media - promotion of long arrangement music with a good story is impossible today in the formats social media is allowing today 60-90 sec 3. Crowd expectations - as crazy as it might sound, I’ve been experimenting with a lot of different arrangements, and crowd reacta only on the typical one. Average listeners are not that open to changes, and if you aim to succeed, playing a living from the music, then experimentation might prolong the success most of the artists or producers are not the ones with plenty of self-esteem and they choose not to risk and they mostly go with the formula they know will work. 4. Managers - Agents: the influence of the managers and booking agents is high today. They mostly advise producers and artists on what they should do, and what is popular and they mostly influence them to make something they believe they could sell. 5. Promoters - promoters are booking artists that can sell tickets, and seeing who is selling tickets, artists will try to make similar music so they can stay active on the scene. To be unique, you must have a financial background and not care for financial benefits from your artistic career, or you should be so sure of your identity and refuse any influence from the other. The majority will never have any of these two!

The (Mine, as a passionate Goa party visitor since 1998) only correct answer: Capitalists pounce on underground scenes to exploit them financially. Whatever is at the top of the 'charts' is repeated/copied as often as possible in order to make more money. This attracts more people who are already addicted to capitalism (and who don't care about uniqueness and creativity or have no sense of it). A sure-fire success, as in almost all scenes.

But when someone's trying to create something different, it gets ignored... People like what they already know. Most people aren't open minded unfortunately. We identify with the genres we like. As soon as we hear something different, we put a label of 'not the stuff I like'. Knowing that, it's difficult for artists to dare to take the step of doing something different. We should try and be open to new ideas. This would encourage artists for innovation. This means things like: - not instantly clicking away when we see an artist with a small following - not instantly clicking away when we see certain genre labels we think we don't like - not instantly clicking away after the first 30 seconds of a track Thanks for this video. It's an important discussion!

I remember you from an old .CZ site, can't really remember the name, you were doing great music.

Bought!

Been saying this for at least 5 years now. So much of the popular contemporary psytrance is, in my opinion, atonal, devoid of melodies, and lacking any signature element which differentiates one artist from the next. A lot of the tracks seem to use exactly the same elements and FM leads. It doesn't appeal to me whatsoever, hence why I am continuing to do my own thing, and gravitating always to music that appeals to me - artists that in my view all have a distinctive signature style and sound. I can always distinguish a Shift track, a Tryambaka track, an Iliuchina track for example. A lot of parties only feature a limited range of music. I find myself going back to artists like Phatmatix who had clear musicality in their work which is far more appealing to me than 6 mins of rolling bass with no melodic or tonal elements. It's just not interesting to me. Each to their own though 🖤

come listen my music :) im underground artist from croatia :) trust me you will like what you hear :) its not regular and not like most music repetetive :)

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what a bangin track

I had the same thoughts before many years.first of all is the economy situation.garbage are growing up when the economy falls,second the machines produce more cheap sounds are not so expensive,third the generation in the decade of 90s comes directly from the decade of 80s they had listen so many genres of music.Metal rock jazz blues disco new wave front 242 Depeche mode classical music and most of they played an instrument.Belong to bands.first of all they were musicians djs

Psytrance hasn't been original for a little over 20 years. People jokingly say hi-tech is fast full on, it isn't far from the truth sadly. Listen to suomisaundi if you want something fresh. It's the only subgenre where you can make a whole party where not 1 artist sounds like the other.

Is this native plugins only chain for all mentioned daws ?

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very interesting . think it's just what I need to complete my productions. as always you knock it out of the park 🎉

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Thanks! Is this applicable to rapid flow template in some way? Or this is just separate chain to use in projects, while keeping rapid flow template intact? Thanks

8:23 the bad speaker check is like, having a NS10 pair in front of you ;-) Erik, the chain is 10/10! :)

Differences are quite subtle -- Crane Song Solaris seemed to sound slightly more exciting in the high-mids and topend, which for this track works well IMO.

Super cool workflow

Sounds great. I get the same feeling with my Tegeler Creme.

Great advice! Thank you for the inspiration.

Really enjoy your content!